BOOM: Roy Morgan Poll: MMP Spectrum Splintering: Labour Party Collapse

1. If there’s anyone with a spine, anyone actually left-wing, within Labour, they are obliged to roll Hipkins now.

   We’re waiting.

   • All the action is in minor partys

     • If they actually care about winning, Labour have to dump Chippy right now, and have a front bench clean-out. Like how Gillard was rolled by Rudd ten weeks out from the election.

       • Too little, too late Kristoff. People have had a gutsful and no-one believes in them anymore. they are beginning to see through everything that is done. The ten weeks out from the election might work if you had a fresh new star (like Kiri was once said to be) but petulant Parker and long termer O’Connor havent risen to the top during their 20 year? careers. Too little, too late.

2. Offering GST off selected foods is so silly that it shows how desperate Labour has sunk and are clutching at every passing straw.

   • Trevor. “… GST off selected foods is so silly.” Of course, but it’s a good example of the torturous level advisors and pr type public servants function at. Pollies should listen to the punters instead of the dingbats paid to tell them how to think.

3. Winston FTW – to rein in Seymour and make Luxon look limp.

   • The second one is not hard to do …

   • In a coalition of Seymour, Luxon and Winston who is the most Prime Ministerial? Could that bauble be on the table?

4. I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again

   Winston Peters will be 10-15% on the night..

   As the left crumbles further moderate Labour will swing in behind NZF to neutralise Seymour and Nat’s globalist BS

   Winston Peters last election will be his best

   • Easily over 15%, Winston is just getting warmed up. A vote for anyone else is a vote for the segregationists who fervently backed Ardern’s covid doctrine of 2022. Dehumanisation, segregation and economic persecution do not belong in our land. There was much resistance at the time, far greater than the media would have you know. That bloc of the electorate aren’t in the business of trading off their’s, or anyone else’s rights.

   • I think National /ACT on 55% and 3Winston, if he gets in, sitting on the cross benches. One poll at just5% is no guarantee and once in the polling booth people vote for which government they want and this usually costs the minor parties.

   • Where will those votes come from Kirk?

     You could be right on the night, but those votes will mostly come from tribal Labour voters abandoning a sinking ship, but who wouldn’t go as far as to vote for their old ‘class enemy’.

     • Just like me and I will be voting NZF

       • I suspect more than a few younger Labour voters will go to TOP.

5. Good to see NZF up. Now a reasonable prospect to vote for and not waste it. But…this is Roy Morgan!

6. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

7. Well many thousands of posts have been made re NZ Labour squandering their 2020 MMP majority, which may never happen again for any party. Labour should have gone in hard and done things for the working class, retired rogernomics etc. but of course they have been a multi class party for 39 years now and could not go there.

   So they have themselves to blame. It does not take a political genius to realise Cap’n Chippy will regret that call on CGT and wealth tax. And the Natzos are no better–pandering to brain dead boomers, truck love and international capital, rather than facing the change that is here thanks to “global boil”.

   It is amusing though that the usuals suspects that dissed the last Roy Morgan just love this one…

   Every party is fighting for their survival this time, and a more meaningful poll would be on the left/right balance.

   • Labour could have done all those things, except they aren’t a left wing party. They haven’t been since 1984. Maybe they’ll learn something from a crushing defeat? Probably not though. 🙁

   • Labour should have gone in hard and done things for the working class, retired rogernomics etc.

     Absolutely agree – Unbelievable just how un-transformational they have been.

8. No chance that removing GST from food will give Labour any traction.The opposite in fact.

9. I have never seen so many angry ex labour and Greens supporters. They shat on their voters and obsessed over fringe groups, blew billions of dollars with nothing to show for it, while discriminating against the majority of people living in NZ in favour of woke causes – generally pro criminal class, Woke Maori and Woke Pacific Islanders. I say woke because Maori and Pacific Islanders don’t actually get a say of what is happening in their name by woke NZ, it is fringe elitist working and getting funding ‘in their name’.

   There is a point where putting yet more woke everywhere is becoming a joke when they are completely unqualified and out of their depth, thus the advent of Karakia to fill in the gaps of knowledge. Instead of the Karakia being used for major events or deaths, now it’s Karakia everywhere, before school starts, (even though school is supposed to be secular in NZ), before council meetings, before justice meetings, before business meetings, nobody can get anything done, because much of the time now is spent on meaningless woke bullshit. Karakia is a popular manifestation.

   Most Maori are probably more interested in justice moving forward, health moving forward, councils doing their job for flooding and roads and their kids being educated, than 20% of all NZ productivity being thrown away by some grandstander wokie, taking up the time to wokify everything into non productivity.

   One of the problems in NZ is poor productivity, this has only got worse with woke bullshit Karakia being used as a political weapon in the public and private sector. It is similar to in China, Political Officers being everywhere and making sure someone is present to ‘oversee’ every part of NZ state life but in NZ it is an ethno woke grifter, being put on every group and committee with zero subject knowledge but a ton of power. If you watch Chernobyl with the ‘shoe salesman’ turned Mayor who didn’t believe in the nuclear meltdown and wouldn’t do anything that the scientists told him, because he was put in charge. That is NZ, committees structure. Woke, woke, woke.

   There is zero interest from government in finding out whose pockets the missing billions went into that they have nothing to show for. But pretty sure it went into the more and more powerful woke. The Maori and Pacific Islanders and homeless and criminal class they took it for, somehow have gotten worse off. Surprise, surprise.

   • Good comparison between the overuse of Karakia and Political Officers in PRC – Karakia and similar being used as a ‘cultural enforcement tool’ to try and weed out any dissenters to the current cultural indoctrination. Not everyone in NZ is either Maori or interested in trying to pretend they are.

   • Smearing all Maori as crininals. You are really showing your inner GOP.

     I suppose you want cops to give out summary executions then.

   • Missing billions of dollars….
     Saw a young Maori lass getting out of a brand new Range Rover at Mangere Bridge, last week, dressed like Kim Kardashian going to a party, about lunchtime it was.
     Something about the way she moved and deferentially spoke to the truck Sri er who was maniuvering nearby made me think it was aallll new money.

     Also heard through my Maori nephs that there’s so much extra money

     from very nice thankyou contracts and wages / salaries,

     that there’s a bit of weapons purchasing and stashing here and there…

     Missing billions.
     2017 to 2020 we knew it was the good contracts or settlement money buying the new cars range rovers even white Bentley aye uncle…

     But from 2020 on…
     Very good salaries,
     Thanks!

10. Chris Hipkins is a colourless centrist politician.
    In the midst of a cost of living crisis GST off food is a no brainer for lowering food costs and winning the election.
    Hipkins is a centrist leader with with little enthusiasm for leading a left wing coalition.
    There is no way that the Labour leader will let his party take the front benches if he thinks his administration will be beholden to the Maori Party or the Greens.

    As Chris Trotter likes to say of the centrists like Hipkins, they would rather keep control of the losing side, than lose control of the winning say.

    The danger of Hipkins strategy for our democracy is this; As voters become disillusioned and turn away from parliamentary politics as an agent for change, that not just that the parliamentary Right will win, as they will. But that the extra parliamentary Far Right will grow to fill the political vacuum left behind by Labour’s surrender.

    • Yeah but Pat, there is always the outside possibility that we get a grand coalition. Where the bigger winners see the potential way forward together rather than at the fringes.

      2 little Neo Lib peas in a pod with a chance to really clear the decks in NZ who will most likely (if it ever happened) squander another three years pushing each other on ideology while keeping business happy.

11. I guess the posters here will be loving this. They long for a Nact government that will impose payfreezes, cut the public sector, and launch programs against LGBTQ’s.

    • Instead of launching programs against woman which has now become the norm with Labour and Greens, such as language and freedom of speech.

      A little known woke fact that white, cis-gender males, are responsible for all the violence in the world according to Marama.

      PM doesn’t know what a woman is, and wants to stop woman’s rights groups from speaking and Marama thinks that heterosexual men are the only violent ones. Wonder why the polls show a drop when they seem to blame white, hetrosexual males for all violence and want to cancel biological woman?

      • Um, you do realise that white heterosexual males are Christian, and it is Christian doctrine for males to beat their wives and daughters. Says right there in the Bible,

        Why dont you just admit you are racist and homophobic.

        And you arent keen on women, I think I read you saying that abortion and birth control should be banned, and women should submit to God and Jesus our Lords and Saviour..

    • Nobody is going to launch programs against LGB. Why would they. The T+ is another matter.

12. Yes X Ray. And the first thing Winston will do when he minister of foreign affairs is sack Mallard.

    We actually need his experience as Minister of foreign affairs right now.

    • Good. I am tired of these old hacks who have creamed off incredibly good salaries over many years then getting their snout into the ambassadorial jobs.

      No politicians should ever get these jobs.

13. I bet Anker would be loving this. She is so LGBTQ phobic and racist, she is willing to strip thousands of workers of their wages and conditions to ensure they are kept down. She also supports police brutality, and imprisoning Maori without trial.

    • Cut it out Millsy. You are making stuff up. Everyone can see you are

      • You are denying it…?

        And you go on and on about how wonderful Act is. If you vote for them, you vote for their agenda, that includes huge cuts to public service and working conditions.

        • Sorry, are not. Still, I believe that you wish to sign up to a far right Trumpist policy agenda that will inflict misery on society.

          • Millsy, as I have told you many times, I have a close relative who is gay and I noted their civil ceremony.
            I am married to a Maori. So don’t appreciate your assertions mate.
            I am gender critical and I think it is not possible for a man to become a women. I am very angry that tras want to disregard women’s sexed based rights and amongst other things enter our changing room. I don’t care if a man wants to wear a dress, just don’t come into the women’s change room where women and girls are in a state of undress. This should not have to be said. Oh and when women get beaten up for trying to have a rally to talk about this, that makes me angry.

            I probably will vote Act. They are not going to cut frontline services, but a number of ministries and bureaucrats. While I am sorry for people who might lose their jobs, I am pleased because I think many of these jobs are a waste of money

          • Millsy is stupid, and just making up things to try and upset people.
            He is best ignored.

          • He‽ For some reason I thought he was an old woman.

          • You do realize that ACT want to rip the guts out of wages and conditions? No sick leave, paid holidays smoko breaks or right to join a union. I cannot believe that you are that evil.

            And people who are married to Maoris are still fucking racist. You haven’t denied that you want to lock people up for being Maori.

          • Front line workers need those admistrators and cleaners and ancillary stuff to ensure the machine of state keeps running. Otherwise you will just have nurses and cops filling out forms.

            I would trust an administrator or public service than a nasty racist Karen who wants to lock brown people up anyday.

          • Plus I read somewhere you want to charge people for hospital visits. I wouldn’t be surprised if you supported Trump. The most racist president in the USA’s history.

14. I hope so. Arden should not have smiled when she agreed that she was establishing the WEF’s two- tier society.

    • All you needed to go was get vaccinated. I have no idea why it is so hard for people like you?

      • saveNZ. I’m angry with both Labour and the Greens, but Reti creeping around encroaching upon the privacy and the dignity of unwell ambulance patients is mind-bogglingly bad, more so from a fellow who’s had the supposed benefit of professional career training.

        The use of the karakia may be a passive-aggressive dynamic from righteous bullying public servants, and there seem to be times when it is as inappropriate as Dr Reti. Management in govt departments tend to go along with what their Human Resources people tell them to do , hence the Ministry of Education being run by “ Inside Out”, with their damaging Gender IQ lies. No surprise either to learn that Kiwibank, about whom Consumer has received the biggest number of complaints in the previous twelve months, is government owned.

        • Snow White I am sure if what Reti did was wrong, his professional body will investigate and discipline him

        • Yeah, heaven forbid that kids know that LGBTQ people exist. Much better for them to know that a dead Palestinian carpenter is in the same room as them and tells them what they can and cannot do.

        • Disagree Snow. I think Reti did the right thing and I do believe he is a principled person. You need to experience the front line if you are to manage it and hospitals will batten down the hatches these days if you turn up there.

          I also think if the patient was me, I’d rather a doctor on board than just a paramedic (No criticism of paramedics intended).

          • Fantail, You’re free to disagree. It’s not clear what Reti was doing, but he’s given the impression that he was out to learn about the state of our health system, rather than helping patients. The paramedics are very good, and with longish serious trips, for example on helicopter flights, there can be qualified medical practitioners on board, flown in and out specifically to help the relevant patient.

          • Fantail. Reti could also be trespassing on other doctors’ cases, which is a bit ethically dubious. Convention dictates that doctors, or their patients, invite second opinions. The bottom line is that he is a politician, many of whom are dubious per se, and being a National politician and being altruistic, isn’t a natural mix.

        • Reti checking out the actual conditions on the frontline of a public service and knowing what’s going on in his shadow portfolio is the job. Did Carmel Sepeloni go under cover to see how beneficiaries are treated in Winz phone que or Marama Davison spend a couple of nights in a Rotorua motel with a mum and kids and then take action back in Wellington to be transformative. Willie was the Minister for unemployment did he find or create work for the 140,000 unemployed or ensure they were up skilled? Was there any plan?

      • * illsy. Little pricks have never worried me, and that includes you and your idea void.

        • You think that vaccines are evil. Like science I guess. Maybe that dead carpenter can protect you. Karen or Jesus. Take your pick.

    • It’s hilarious that you people blame a weird economics nerd with a Col. Klink accent for all your problems, while ignoring the actual conspirators of finance capital.

      • Who’s the wierd economics nerd?

      • It’s weird you think they’re not networked. Networking against us is all they do. Look at it from their pov. Of course they need to control us. We are all they fear.

15. Labour can eat shit for at least one election cycle and they deserve it.
    Abandoning their core base and not delivering transformational change is bad enough but their embracing of woke identity politics is the last straw.
    Good riddance.
    Dont get me wrong, life under Nact is going to be truly awful but hey thats Labours fault too.

    • They’re facing oblivion. Ardern knew it and thought pulling the plug on her brand would change it. But the rot is far deeper. There are too many fronts, one cannot keep up!

16. One thing not helping Labour is the obscenely huge salaries some Public Servants (sic) are getting. See this piece* in the Herald, a photo of 4 grinning chaps heading the current iteration of 3 waters creaming between $602,500 to $815,500 p.a. Yes, really. And the boss of Te Pukenga on 2/3 of a mill, who has led the Polytech sector into its current dog’s breakfast state.

    My proposal: no public servant should be paid more than a Minister’s salary (unless there are the most extreme extenuating circumstances). If these public servants really think they are worth that much, let them head off into the private sector.

    *www.nzherald.co.nz/business/the-new-three-waters-bosses-and-why-their-pay-is-so-extraordinary/NA3WZXLF5FET7ACH3DMGCF5XEI/

    • Tom Gardener 100%. And this is the monstrous government which kneecapped the invaluable Commissioner for Vulnerable Children, and employs Gender ID extremists to run the Education Department and prematurely sexualise, damage and confuse young school children.

17. I did say here that if nzf polled consistently and didn’t look like a wasted vote they would skyrocket. I like Chippie but Labour’s strategy of picking by diversity and Maori rather than talent has left them in a lurch. The incoming government will find the civil service has been culled in a similar fashion and will need to make big changes real fast.
    Let’s see if the polls continue in this direction or if this is an outlier.

18. Either way another 3 years of neo lib bullshit. More wokester rubbish smoke screening real issues. Maybe the cruel reality of NACT indifference to the less privileged will do a power of good for the left. Maybe not.

19. Meh. Hang onto your knickers and don’t lose your shit lefties. There’s only one poll that counts and this isn’t it. We’re at the beginning of a new 100 year cycle, so it’s choppy on everyone everywhere. Let’s try to get along now. There’s no left or right, nor fringes anymore. We’re all here NOW. TOGETHER at the SAME time! Let’s make THAT count!

20. As the cost of living crisis deepens, as the climate crisis worsens, as the health system is left underfunded and short staffed. Chris Hipkins’ shitty little sell out on tax reform will come back to haunt him and Labour for a long, long time.

21. I agree Pat.
    Labour abandoned it’s bottom base and pissed them off and threw them to the wolves.

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