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  1. Gawd strewth! When you delve into the likes of Clint Smith’s background [Before I did, I was asking myself – Who the Fuck is Clint Smith? ], you come to realise how the neoliberal/3rd way religion has infected our muddle class society and its economy. Not short of an over-exercised ego, comfy little lifestyle, shameless self-promotion, patronising I know best attitude, and no doubt a coterie of fawning fans. Look at moi, Look at moi! Today’s currency (until the shit really hits the fan)

  2. The actual political Left has not managed to expose “woke” demagogy for what it really is: a Wall Street funded, anti-socialist campaign of anti-scientific ideas, dressed up as “liberation”.

    In other words, Critical Social Justice has become a sophisticated propaganda campaign intended to destroy the Left.

    This only underlines the main problem: There isn’t a proper left-wing party “left” at all. They’ve either collapsed (the Alliance), or virtually all the left-wing people have been driven out by Blairite/Clintonite liberals (Labour, the Greens).

    So instead you have a situation where pro-war, Wall Street neoliberals are presented as “the Left” — a complete con, and of course it drives people away from real left-wing ideas.

    I keep reading articles claiming “Chippy” is from the right-faction of the party. Perhaps he will start claiming that the party is “too far left” — and go into full Tony Blair mode.

    1. You’re right about the left.

      The left was cancelled in the English speaking world by the end of the Cold War and the move to the neo-liberal regime of the global market.

      What passes for the left (and its in both parties, more Labour than National) is merely resistance to libertarianism – collapse of 20th C public services/public provision, opposition to the establishment in the USA of an imperial Christian dominionism and security reich and placing some value on local and global environment before mammon.

      But why would Wall Street be promoting social progressive liberalism as a way to destroy a non existent left?

      Feminism questioned social and cultural patriarchy in the West over 200 years ago, for votes and then for empowerment. Capitalism does not see it as the threat that is all, social (and religious) conservatives do.

      Sure there are the woke/social progressive liberal and the non woke in Labour seeing each other as the agents of the neo-liberalism (society ordered around markets/capital) front within Labour. One because it takes away focus on the old order blokes dominance of what’s important – share of the economic pie to provide for family and the other because challenge to established privilege is not just economic, but to social and cultural hegemony.

      But its just two groups fighting over identity and marketing of (and to themselves) their party vs those in the other party. Tribalism.

      They have the RINO’s and the extremist – from the populists drawn to strong man to the Randians. Tribalism.

      1. @SPC:
        The Left is certainly not non-existent. Wall Street felt very threatened by Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn — rather, the Left is mostly unorganised.

        The labour movement already was “socially progressive” and culturally transformative at all levels, and upon a scientific basis.

        The “woke” demagogy of the Poststructualists is the complete opposite: it is anti-scientific, promotes extreme individualism, and is incapable of producing a class analysis.

  3. Love how to the woke pointing out facts

    “Hipkins really presenting himself as non-woke in his first speech. Has cancelled the PM use of “Aotearoa” – has instead used “New Zealand” about ten times.”

    Bryce pointing out the facts, now makes him alt right to the king wokies.

    For the woke, truth is alt right – and more people have been forced to be labled as right just by being tired of the left held hostage by the woke, and tired of emperors new clothes woke facts aka pregnant person, chest feeding. Nevermind it is not possible for men to breast feed and give birth – in woke land everyone has to pretend it is and copious amount of resources that could be better spent in the health system are derailed into their fantasy land based on speech not actions.

  4. “Many of the middle class woke Identitarians benefit from the neoliberal hegemony so they don’t want too much scrutiny on class” – I’d bet that few under 40 even have any idea what the arguments around class are, so completely has the neoliberal “philosophy” taken over.

    1. I’d agree anecdotally, having had many conversations with young politically minded LGBT. It’s a surprise how few have thought about this or have any working class friends.

      It’s telling to ask what’s causes more stress and anxiety. The idea of verbal/online abuse (which is not ok) or whether you can feed your kids, make the rent, pay bills next week?

      Yes it is not a zero sum game, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. However this helps to create a perspective that many seem to be missing.

  5. “Someday, when all your civilization and science are likewise swept away, your kind will pray for a man with a sword.”

  6. Clint doesn’t give a f**k about Labour not having done ONE SINGLE THING for the working class in Ardern’s term.

    Daring to use the term ‘woke’ negatively though? That REALLY MATTERS to this cretin. Disgusting

  7. The left was cancelled in the English speaking world by the end of the Cold War and the move to the neo-liberal regime of the global market.

    What passes for the left (and its in both parties, more Labour than National) is merely resistance to libertarianism – collapse of 20th C public services/public provision, opposition to the establishment in the USA of an imperial Christian dominionism and security reich and placing some value on local and global environment before mammon.

    What this is about is the woke/social progressive liberal and the non woke in Labour seeing each other as the agents of the neo-liberalism (society ordered around markets/capital) front within Labour. One because it takes away focus on the old order blokes dominance of what’s important – share of the economic pie to provide for family and the other because challenge to established privilege is not just economic, but to social and cultural hegemony.

  8. Neale Jones is just as bad as Smith. Labour should’ve ditched them both years ago.

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