National Party attack lines are so fucking stupid.
Luxon is pretending Labour did nothing in 5 years which is a totally provable lie!
Labour have done lots of things during their 5 years of Government, and many of them are genuine and good things!
and on and on and on it goes.
The issue isn’t that Labour haven’t ‘dun nuthin’, the issue is that Labour haven’t done enough and they haven’t done enough because they ruled out taxing the rich more to pay for the capacity upgrades the State requires.
National are lying when they say ‘Labour dun nuthin’, and it makes their argument look like blatant disinformation, which isn’t surprising when you consider the National Party Social Media team…
…National Party Attack lines are so stupid, it’s like ZB talking points but dumber.
If we look at every single problem facing us as a country, the root cause is National underfunding the system to begin with!
Why are we allowing National to sell us lies to fix the problems they caused to begin with?
National have popped all the champagne because they seem to think they’ve already won the bloody election! All National seem to be doing is riding the post Covid bitterness and animosity towards Jacinda, an animosity that hate algorithms one Social media feed with a toxic misogyny.
I’m not sure spite and malice is enough to win an election in New Zealand.
I just don’t think there are enough stupid Kiwis to vote for National’s ‘solutions’, when it was National who caused most of the bloody long term structural problems!
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Hmm. An analysis of the causes of long term structural problems versus I hate fuckin Cindy algorithms. We had better hope that the importance of social media on voting behavior is over rated.
Blame national for Money they didn’t spend, and blame labour for spending money but achieving great big fat zero. Which one is worse???
Benny, who promised for 9 years to build a hospital in Dunedin and didn’t and who promised to build a Hospital in Dunedin and is?
Yeah, the gum mints wasting money eliminating MBovis when theFarmers party wouldn’t.
MBovis a disease spread by the farmers because dollars are more important than conservative farming practice and now they happily accept a socialist bailout.
Who invested in a Saudi sheep farm and a vanity project referendum.
Not spending money so you can siphon bigger earnings to your fat cat mates, is definitely worse…
They’re good at giving away other people’s money, that’s for sure!
Yes National are good at giving away other people’s money.
I remember Paula Bennett trying to give away taxpayers money for 100’s of people to leave Auckland who had no option but to sleep in cars in a park in South Auckland.
And just look at how many examples there are of companies privatising the profits and socialising the losses.
Current example.. forestry companies along the East Cape- Bay of plenty.. Hmmm… i wonder who is going to pay for the massive cost of the slash clean up from the recent storm.
How about National’s Hekia Parata ,(who rivalled Paula Bennett for sheer stupidity), rolling out a new untested teacher’s payroll service that was riddled with flaws and cost 10’s of millions of dollars and many many months to sort out. Who paid for that clusterfuck i wonder?
Then there’s the massive multi billion dollar irrigation network scheme in the South island ,(sure to be a White Elephant do to climate change), bleeding the rivers dry. The list goes on …
Your right .When it comes to money ,or anything for that matter, National haven’t got a clue.
Last time the forestry companies paid fines to cover the damage
Or just paid off the National party by way of donations.
None of this means anything when inflation is high, living standards are down, the trains and trams don’t work, and there are massive job losses about to happen.
A laundry list of small, forgettable achievements doesn’t win elections for Labour. One big achievement wins elections.
You brought back manufacturing in every industry? Landslide win.
You built millions of houses? Landslide win.
You restored rail and tramway service in every province? Landslide win.
Of course, doing this again would actually require building something, when all both parties are interested in is demolishing things.
They can’t even build Auckland and Christchurch a new stadium. Even when they managed this in Dunedin, they still screwed it up — they left the city without a proper cricket venue, so now three of the nation’s four main cities deliberately removed their large cricket grounds, with no replacement.
I wonder who Paul Cheshire is actually……
My money is on either Greg Presland or Neale Jones. The impotent rage appears far too coherent for Clint Smith or Clarke Gayford.
Who ever Paul Cheshire is they could never beat famous Natzo imposter–“Merv from Manurewa” an actual NZ National Board Member, one Rodger Bridge.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/merv-from-manurewa-aka-roger-bridge-to-resign-from-national-party-board.html
John ‘Hone’ Carter did well too with his talk back call to later disgraced Banksy, pretending to be an unemployed Māori person!
Get some better stories Frankus, the points made in the the letter are quite correct.
If we had FTPT – like they do in the UK – toxicity would win the election every time. Our potential savior is Proportional Representation (MMP) which limits the impact of toxified voters and produces more balanced and constrained government. It is astonishing that a strong economy and moderately effective government is delivering such poor polling – my hope is that the reality of a NActional government should give voters pause on election day.
MMP gave us Labour Greens and NZFirst and what did that achieve except cause the total demise of one of those parties and division in one of the other ones and then being ignored second time around. I am hoping for a National Act team that will get NZ back to a leading economy with all that that brings to society in the way of benefits for all those that want to work and contribute.
All the above true and noble. “It’s not that Labour have done nothing, they’ve done little of nothing”
So what might be useful is to ask Labour lefties that comment here and who are disenchanted with the current labour “team” and planning on flicking their vote elsewhere, what would make them change their thinkings and reckons in this space, going forward.
I’ve never NOT voted Labour, although I have distributed pamphlets for the Greens and acted as a scrutineer for them once on election day.
There are a few things that mean I can’t give Labour a party vote in ’23 and there are quite a few things that would have to happen before I could change my mind. Given the electricate I am in might mean I have to swallow a dead rat or two to give Labour an electorate vote. Probably not going to happen as things stand – sorry @ Bert – cheerleaders, millionaire supermarket franchise owners who are not averse to exploiting little Ayshun boise and all the running jokes that go with it; Hataitai road incidents and gay grifters no longer cut it for me. Pink dollars exploiting the struggling are just as bad as black, blue or red dollars doing the same.
I’d be interested to know how other previously committed Labourites planning on giving them the flick feel.
The huge mandate given that has been frittered – EVEN given Covid and all the rest of it, is an insult to those genuinely struggling and who have a right to have expected more.
For me (not necessarily in any order)
– The cargo cultist, mean-spirited Sepuloni has to be demoted – preferably to the back benches.
Flick Her some trinket if necessary to allow her to retain some mana, although even that would be generous. The situation with the Children’s Commissioner is an abomination. Nothing meaningful is going to change in the short term relating to our disgusting child abuse statistics both by the state or those in private ‘so-called’ care.
– Stop, HALT, cease and desist the bullshit use of overpaid, under-delivering bullshit artist, template-driven consultants. Whether they be used in the name of so-called ‘independent’ advice, OR because the state supposedly doesn’t have access to qualified policy advice. (They could easily get it from people that are already in the employ of the state and are true public ‘servants’
It’s crap, and always has been since the neo-libs took control in the ’80s’. They (the consultants) have been fleecing us for decades – more fool that team of ‘us’, AND Labour party politicians who should know, and have known better.
(Come on FFS!!!!!!!!! $500k to consult on a pedestrian crossing on Cobham Drive; $10’s k on consulting on a TVNZ/RNZ ‘merger plus unnecessary ‘rebranding’ costs and the preservation of mover and shaker egos that don’t actually reflect its audience demographic(s); etc, etc etc……… ). Sorry Willie, they saw you coming. Just get on with it (as a FIRST step to reform)
– Pull Immigration NZ, the Labour Inspectorant and all those that sail in them out of the Ministry of Everything. It probably hasn’t occurred to a lot of the senior managerialists in what has become that ‘institution’ that people – including refugees, Drs, nurses, essential workers, are not JUST economic units. And though many/most of them are quite likely ‘innovative’, they are humans that may have the baggage of partners and children. It’s not their fault that lil ‘ole NuZull that punches above its weight has failed to train or give opportunity to its own indigenous – to the extent we’re in the situation we are in now.
And nor is it their fault that Kiwis find offshore life more attractive than they do in what they will call ‘home’ UNTIL the minute the shit hits the fan in the offshore locale they opted for, when they come screaming back chanting their birthright.
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Other trad Labour voters, even floaters in this toilet bowl that are planning on a different vote in ’23 should say what they’re disenchanted with now, so that the boffins can develop an 100 day plan, AND better still, start doing some meaningful stuff prior.
“Our potential savior is Proportional Representation (MMP) which limits the impact of toxified voters and produces more balanced and constrained government.”
Indeed.
People tend to forget pre MMP when when at times we got a gummint elected by a minority of voters.
And as Jane Kelsey said in one of her books, MMP brought about the need to negotiate and at least limited/moderated the unbridled power of Treasury boffins.
It’s a shame though that we’re in an era where minor parties are taken for granted, whether its because of the arrogance of the big boys and gals, or because the minor parties have become a bit wet
If Labour had taxed the rich more, which they wouldn’t have done anyway in their first term, and couldn’t really do in their second term due to the debilitating economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, then there would have been more protests on the parliament lawn (albeit from a different socioeconomic group).
All National has to say is “Labour did nothing.” Well, “Labour did nothing except make the place worse.”
The debate is not one of rationality and impartiality.
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