The Apocalyptic Heat Wave in Europe is a climate warming hoax that will NEVER impact us

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Why this European heatwave is so scary

For two weeks, computer models teased the possibility of Britain reaching 40C this week, a level unsurpassed since at least 1850 – and probably in more than 6000 years. Meteorologists gazed at these model forecasts in disbelief, sceptical that such predictions would come true.

Six days ago, the UK Met Office put the odds of hitting 40C at only 10%.

But the seemingly unlikely model forecasts proved correct. London Heathrow was among six locations in the United Kingdom to top 40C on Tuesday (Wednesday NZT), shattering Britain’s all-time temperature record.

This is the latest example of how human-caused climate changeis pushing temperatures to levels previously considered unfathomable – faster than many can imagine.

Look.

Sure.

Apocalyptic Heat Wave is melting Europe.

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And the data tells us that in barely 3 centuries since the beginning of the Industrial Age, we have set off CO2 levels not seen in 2.6million years and yes because these processes normally take hundreds of thousands of years to build and once triggered the tipping points built into the Earth’s biosphere can cause extreme weather events in the space of decades, s-u-r-e, all of that BUT as long as the Methane in Siberia and on the Ocean floor don’t start dissolving and causes an enormous methane burp that sends temperatures jumping 10 degrees in the space of a decade, as long as that doesn’t happen the Greenland glaciers won’t melt, sending a cascade of fresh water into the Labrador Sea Oceanic pump that transfers heat from the tropics to Europe via the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation and accidentally trigger an ice age in the Northern Hemisphere as Europe freezes over.

Oh wait, Siberia…

Climate crisis: Siberian heatwave led to new methane emissions, study says

…Ocean methane plumes…

Bubble plumes off Washington, Oregon suggest warmer ocean may be releasing frozen methane

…Greenland melting…

The amount of Greenland ice that melted last weekend could cover West Virginia in a foot of water

…and Oceanic Conveyer current failing?

Climate crisis: Scientists spot warning signs of Gulf Stream collapse

…oh, all those things are actually in play an in motion and we aren’t going to stop them.

The IPCC report has always infamously been conservative and underplayed or simply ignored the impacts of naturally occurring feedback loops that once crossed represent  tipping points from which no technological advance can mitigate.

What is most concerning about our response to the Covid epidemic (which is exacerbated by overpopulation and bio-habitat collapse), the mass flooding we just experienced over the weekend in NZ or even the American forest fires is that these extraordinary events that we are totally ill equipped to cope with are all occurring at a time of relative peace. How would these services cope with a plethora of events erupting at climate crisis speed on numerous fronts?

We can barely cope with the first wave of disruptions, how on earth will we cope when the enormity of events eclipse these small ones?

My contention is that in a future like that voters will throw their weight behind any party promising radical proposals.

That’s why I argue that Fortress Aotearoa is simply a matter of when not if.

The current political spectrum in New Zealand can not radically adapt fast enough to adopt the changes we must make if we are to survive the climate crisis. It will require a radical Political Movement that elects a Party to implement Fortress Aotearoa…

  • Move away from intensive farming and look to become domestically self sustainable in terms of food.
  • Immediately ban all water exports.
  • Empower local communities to make local decisions and set up resilience programs.
  • 5 year Parliamentary term so Governments can actually plan for change.
  • Upper and Lower House (Upper House 50-50 split between Māori & Pakeha that can hold up legislation if unhappy about Treaty issues)
  • Massive investment into R&D from Government with the understanding research is to benefit NZ first before sold offshore.
  • Large scale increase in Navy, Army & Airforce.
  • Mass limiting of tourism numbers with huge increased tourist taxes.
  • Only citizens can vote.
  • Sustainable immigration and an end to exploitative migrant workers.
  • Resettlement Programms for all pacific island neighbours.
  • Increase refugee in take to 10 000 per year
  • Fully funded public services focused on real welfare of people.
  • Mass Green housing rebuild.
  • 100% renewable energy for entire country.
  • Massive tree planting across previous farming land.
  • Wholesale re-write of state services act to end commercial values.
  • Investment into basic pharmaceutical production.
  • Financial transaction tax
  • Wealth tax
  • Multinational tax
  • Inheritance tax
  • Capitalist monopolies in energy, transport and finance have to be brought into public ownership and control. They should be subject to democratic plans drawn up by the whole community. Workers should have much stronger decision making powers within them.
  • All economic sectors to be made take steps needed to decarbonise the economy as much as is needed to reach zero net emissions by 2030.
  • Free and frequent public transport on electric buses and/or trains in all main cities.
  • Health care and education for life should be free and universally accessible.
  • Welfare, pensions, child allowances, should be universal wherever possible.
  • Public housing at fixed and affordable rents should be a right of all not just the desperately poor.
  • All workers should have a right to a job and the workweek reduced with no loss of pay to make that possible.
  • Local communes should be supported for control and delivery of as many functions of the centralised state as possible – including housing, education, health care.
  • Local communes to support cooperative forms of production of food, solar and wind energy,  electric transport, and media.

On a rapidly warming planet, NZ will increasingly be the life boat for Earth and the tyranny of our distance will become our blessing.

Pretending that we can ‘stop’ the climate crisis cascade is sophistry, we require radical reform and adaptation now.

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80 COMMENTS

  1. Literally, we just need to dismantle globalism, become self-sufficient as a nation and decentralise all forms of power. Martyn’s ideas here are good, but all require centralisation and that just creates more problems in the long run.

    My 2 cents.

    Temporarily drill for our own oil to power our industry so we can manufacture green energy sources.

    Dismantle the Westminster system and all party politics.

    Small, sustainable communities.

    Local farms and gardens.

    Feed our own people first!

    I know we will literally do none of that but its a nice thought.

      • would a totalitarian dictatorship be more to your liking? I suppose it depends on how you see yourself handling a co-operative strategy or violent hubris? a candle-lit committee or a flame-throwing rabble? I’d look to Pacific culture for living together on a small rock in the middle of the Ocean.

    • @ RM.
      Well done. Thank God someone’s trying to offer up a common sense approach. @ dan and ada and gaby, nathan etc are stringy little puppets to a fascist- capitalist dead dinosaur walking. They’re simple minded and can be found skulking about within their own gasses here. Remember. They’re irrelevant and they have nothing to bring to the overall conversation so ignore them.
      ‘Kiss The Ground’ is a great documentary on regenerative farming. USA centric and narrated by Wood Harrelson.
      https://kissthegroundmovie.com/
      Russell Brand on YouTube offers a fantastic forum for discussion and information. He also offers up positive-future predictions via YouTube. I’d also suggest checking out Luminary to follow up on some of his guest speakers. Luminary is a @ $59.00 NZ a year subscription.
      His latest piece on YouTube.
      “I’ve been talking to the award-winning journalist Aaron Maté, who says it’s a market for the U.S. Having all these new states in NATO means that all these states are obligated to be up to NATO standards, buying weapons, predominantly in the US.”
      https://youtu.be/aAkcVl3wcl8
      As a farmer with a legitimate opinion I’d ask non farming people to drive into the farmed countryside and see vast areas of junk grass force fed artificial nitrate fertilisers, and after the older grasses have been sprayed with Monsanto’s toxic glyphosate commonly labeled ‘Roundup’ to kill off what’s left of the old grass to make way for a fresh crop of junk grass seed. That, is direct drilled into the dead or dying soil from which your vegetables, grains, milk and meat comes from.
      And who’s to blame? Greedy lazy farmers? Or rapaciously greedy, lazy bankers and sundry money lenders, like the RBNZ, who demand more and more from our soils and waterways.
      Generally writing, our farmers have been brainwashed, dominated and exploited for generations, almost to the point of no return. City bound, and often traitorous ex farmers themselves, are lolling about in obscene wealth in the leafy suburbs while farming and farmers are existing in desperation, exhaustion and despair once having been sold out by their well connected neighbours now living in the cities. Aye Boys?
      Finally; you must study the history of Fletcher’s and the mighty Fletcher Challenge corporation. Those fuckers have their tentacles in every one’s pockets, one way or another. I liked the bit where I learned they own, or used to own, the Rural Bank.
      Meet james, ron and hugh. Lovely boys.
      Wikipedia:
      Fletcher Challenge
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher_Challenge
      “Fletcher Challenge was a multinational corporation from New Zealand. It was formed in 1981 by the merger of Fletcher Holdings, Challenge Corporation and Tasman Pulp and Paper. It had holdings in construction, forestry, building, and energy, initially just within New Zealand and then internationally as well, and at one time was the largest company in New Zealand. In 2001 it was split into three companies, Fletcher Challenge Forests, Fletcher Building (incorporating Fletcher Construction), and Rubicon. “

      • Indeed. Fletchers were always extremely suss. They managed to monopolize a lot of the output of Forest Service planting in the CNI that should have gone to government owned industry in any decently run country.

      • Thanks for all this info!

        Russell Brand’s channel is really good these days and I appreciate his positive views tinged with humour.

        Farming and farmers are not the enemy, the system is and how they have to operate in it to survive. The solution is a new (old) system of community living, localised decision making, relationships with your farmer, your butcher, your baker, your crafts people etc. Basically, the Shire haha!

        The solution will not come from the state and it will not fucking come from 19th century bullshit like “socialism” and “capitalism.”

        We need to tone our lives down a bit, get back to earth, but also use and develop the technology we have to serve us.

        Thanks for your words and links!

  2. Okay, the two horsemen of the media apocalypse, Covid (and any other bacteria/virus known to science lately) and climate change. We are kidding ourselves if we think we can control either. Remember, the WHOLE world must cooperate and when did last happen … ever? And even then with such a fantasy it’s extremely marginal anything would be achieved.

    Number One, Covid.

    A coup d’etat for the glass half empty brigade and virologists who before this all began were ignored even by their caged lab rats because they were so dull. But in any case endless stories of this being new Black Death and needing to wear masks in bed when living alone is getting beyond repetitive and irritating and it has been cancelled by the majority of the general public in the best of woke tradition but not for woke reasons. Few care and if you dont believe that, ask Jacinda why she ditched the stupid mask thing!

    Number Two, Climate change.

    Turn off oil, welcome back to the stone age. Where do our syringes come from to treat covid? Oil!. Does humanity really want to go there? Really? Who will make all the E bikes for Simon Wilson’s Grey Lynn cycylist paradise? Or their lycra? You really think E cars will surpass traditional cars, think greed, think Elon Musk, think billionaires and know that it will never happen. You think electricity for our morally superior E things is going to be generated from magic beans and Oompa loompa’s in a power plant and not some sort of fossil fuel topping up the grid? Or nuclear power? Think again.

    Look at the positives because we are not supposed to do that. Just for a few days the UK wasn’t a cold wet miserable shithole!

    Auckland climate is fantastic, better than I can ever remember!

    Aucklands dams are almost full, 6% off in fact and 10% above average. No drought, no water restrictions, no news outlet reporting that!

    Australians actually have something to whinge about, too much sun, too much rain, too many mice, too much…, it’s like listening to farmers in NZ. Send your 501’s here, get karma back, in spades!

    No point getting depressed, because that is exactly what our media want. Mankind is adaptable, we always have been. Don’t click the Covid Climate stories. Click Megan Markell instead. Control what we can, stop looking at newsfeeds because all they really want us your money, and get on with life rather than moping about waiting for the sky to fall in!

    • typical conservative nonsense saying things can’t change and then referencing adaptability – lol – what a cuck.

  3. I agree that we ought to move away from intensive farming and ought to have done so already. Look at the pollution in our rivers …

  4. And when you’ve finished building all this fantastic State-centric stuff you’ll find yourself appalled when some Right-wing thug slots into place at the head of it all. Or maybe a Left-wing thug. Hitler, Stalin or Mao; your choice.

    Jesus, you people never learn from history. Scream APOCOLYPSE, PANIC, EMERGENCY POWERS and then be surprised at the awful results. The Moral Equivalent of War dreamed by William James and all that: “never let a crisis go to waste.” There’s always an emergency that requires Big Government – which also always brings in Big Business, unless you want to shoot all the capitalists?

    Anyway, Climate-Related Deaths Are at Historic Lows, Data Show

    • @ T.H.
      “An emergency that requires Big Government” Have you ever thought that it might be the very same Big Government that created the Very Big crisis that only The Big Government can fix so they reckon. And by ‘fix’ I mean plaster over, nothing to see here, move along now. Oh! Look ! ? Gas prices have just shot up again! How awful, never mind. Now where were we? Oh yea, moving along.
      Right now? In our beautiful AO/NZ, we have a very big government and they’re fixing fuck all. They’re all on $ix figure$ plu$ perk$ and entitlement$ though.
      labour, national, the green party, the hideous ACT party, i.e. the worm that fell out of roger douglas’s arse hole because not even an arse worm could handle the traffic or the company up there, the Maori party and the laughable NZ First party ARE the same thing. You can’t get much bigger than that mate. I’d describe [it] as capitalist-fascism wearing a democracy skirt, high heels, lipstick and make up while stumbling about under a street lamp looking for trade just along from the Chinese Embassy. ( No disrespect to actual Chinese people intended.)

  5. So we move away from intensive farming (and just feed ourselves) as well as mass tourism – both of which earn the majority of our overseas funds. So where will the overseas funds come from to provide for this large scale increase in Navy, Army & Airforce. Assume the navy needs new ships now and again – how do we buy these with little overseas funds?

      • I dunno, Ada. How does Cuba, which has been targeted by sanctions war for decades, manage to make its own pharmaceutical innovations? We’re quite capable of innovating, and there’s no reason for us to comply with enemy patents and copyrights.

    • @thomas. Define ‘intensive farming’ could you? Much less (and just feed ourselves) ?
      Are you a farmer? Serious question.
      Farmers? Identify yourselves. Don’t be shy.

      • No need for me to define intensive farming, countryboy. Martyn used the term in his article – you need to ask him……

    • Thomas
      Aaaaah but we’re totally self sufficient remember. We have our own shipyards and huge factories with our own technology with our own engineers…those that managed to pass maths as we have such a world class education system with incredibly high standards. And all this achieved with less farming, fewer tourists and without drilling for oil or gas and minerals and no more loans from the world bank. There you go. And then we woke up.

  6. Maybe a little optimistic. There is increasing evidence that climatic shifts from ice-age to interglacial phases occurred much faster than previously thought. Add onto that human impacts and we could see catastrophic change measured in decades not thousands of years.

    We currently reside in the “Aranui” interglacial period which has so far been around 14000 years. The shortest interglacial has been 20000 years in NZ so under normal circumstances we would be able to look forward to at least another 5000 of a climate suitable for human habitation. Most climate scientists, as you have indicated, agree that global warming will lead fairly quickly to another ice age due to the loss oceanic conveyor belt heat redistribution processes.

    What will this likely mean for NZ? Over one third of the South Island will be glaciated and uninhabitable. Much of the rest will suffer from a periglacial climate unsuitable for growing anything apart from very limited coastal areas. Large central parts of the North Island will also not be suitable for any form of arable farming. It is wishful thinking to believe that NZ will be some sort of global life boat particularly since we will lose our hydropower generation and lack other energy sources to meet anything but the needs of a basic stone-age economy.

    • Except we aren’t heading into an ice age continuation. By the end of this century our new hot house future shld be clear though probably we won’t be here. All those emissions. Or the planet is heating up not cooling.

      • I think there is some misunderstanding around this. We are not heading into a “hot house” as in the Northern hemisphere and parts of Australia (effects of a continental mass) NZ is different geographically as Martin infers. However we will not escape climate change. We will first see more concentrated and numerous extreme weather events. This is as a result of a essentially more energised weather system. NZ is like a small boat in the middle of the ocean and does not suffer from having Africa and the Sahara to the south firing intense heat domes over it – they can extend from Australia but have normally lost most of their potency by the time they reach us. The threat to us is more likely to be much higher levels of precipitation falling as both rain and snow and higher wind levels rather than long lasting anticyclonic, life threatening, heat bubbles. All of this happens until a new equilibrium is reached and that will be a cold one (new ice age). The debate is around how fast this will happen and how can we best prepare for it because it should be clear to all by now that it can’t be stopped.

  7. Production for profit will cease.
    But not because workers have come their senses and seized the means of production.
    Nope. We’ll skip that bit and go straight to production for survival. And your likelihood of benefiting from that will depend solely on your physical proximity to that production & whatever system of distribution remains. i.e. dumb luck. 🙁

  8. brexit and tory austerity bringing back that gammony spirit of the blitz, london fire brigade busiest day since ww2.
    lesson for NZ? when you cut public services (like fire) fires happen and are worse because they can’t be delt with….when summer comes here and fires abound the deniers will whip out all their excuses….changes nowt if there’s no fire brigade, no ambulance and AandE is packed to the gills….as the saying used to go
    CUTS KILL

  9. Climate change is happening and it wont be stopped because it is not all manmade but also has to do with space weather which we have no control over. The IPCC is finally beginning to see this as well but they are very slow to change and incredibly conservative over assigning values to their models to compensate. Also in fairness, it is complex science (hitherto not being seen as related to weather) that is only beginning to researched bit by bit over the last 5+ years.

    I believe things will happen faster and sooner and that rather than spend $ on zero carbon we should be looking at ‘mitigation’ ie: It’s coming, we are not going to stop it so what do we need to do to survive it? Which to some extent is what Bomber and Racky are saying.

    A recent study showed that certain types of space weather can have immediate effects on earth’s weather (usually at the Poles) whereas other patterns can have multi decadal effects) so combine this with Co2 effects and we must as individuals and as individual countries prepare ourselves. At least we are lucky enough to live in NZ where food and water are plentiful. I’m picking La Nina type patterns (maybe on steroids) from here on out, certainly more precipitation and storms.

  10. The climate industry is now a multinational , intergovernmental, squillion dollar talk fest….Overheads are jumping on the bandwagon all over the world…From local councils to kids talking to the UN….So called expert professors are writing papers on climate like there is no tomorrow …Telling us there is no tomorrow….All trying to out do each other with new theories on the climate , normally with the words , could , may , computer modelling, and getting these published in some esteemed publication …As if us humans could actually understand the earth’s climate in 40 or 50 years of study….Remember global cooling in the 1970’s…I can . I have the magazines still…..As soon as money became involved with the climate study it became a scam. Look at New Zealand. we signed up to an agreement that made us a desert with only newly planted pine trees as a carbon sink. As a country we are as green as can be…trees and plants all absorbing carbon everywhere. Not included in the ETS scam…..And we are cutting down wilding pines….And who is paying for this huge climate employment industry.?? Muggins..I mean tax payers , rate payers , as per usual….

    • Well, I think I speak for everyone here, when I say thank you. Thank you for bringing back a low brow argument which is in fact a thinly disguised conspiracy theory. Of course all “Scientists” are grifters. Of course the “Experts” are lining their pockets. Thank God the benevolent fossil fuel companies are releasing the proper studies as the think tanks that pay a modest fee to those scientists, also release the truth about the Climate change scammers making Billions.

  11. Carry on Martyn – trying to reason with the human mind is like trying to climb up a rope but in your case you might think how to manage it. But King Canute had to actually take his nobles to the sea to illustrate his impotence in certain situations. The post is good reading I am going to spread it around where I can.

    The Press today on the front page of mine was split between London’s Burning at around 40 degress Centigrade. And an announcement of a win in the Court of Appeal against an appeal about an Environment Canterbury decision that would allow 88.8 billions of water each year to be extracted from Canterbury and bottled.. This was against consents made to Cloud Ocean Water and Rapaki Natural Resources and ECan (a device of business interests, wealthy farmers, National Party, and other political parties to grab the nation’s water resource in Canterbury) has to pay some of AWA’s appeal costs. Aotearoa Water Action have been stalwarts and deserve donations as they have persevered for years, a real green battle, and will have had big costs and made sacrifices of all sorts to win against the rapacious predators feeding off this country.

  12. I understand that climate change alarmists heart is in the right place, when they want to save the human race from rendering itself extinct. But if that were true then there’s only two things the entire world should be focused on,

    1. Protecting earth from total catastrophic collapse. Climate change maybe one of these but the most likely is a high velocity impact from an extraterrestrial body. Next is a super volcanic eruption. Let’s start there.

    2. We need to do everything we can to explore space. Earth’s time is finite, for humans to survive (isn’t that what those who are fighting for the recognition of climate change are about) then we have to leave, that there is no debate.

    So creating little communities and signing Kumbaya just is only going to delay the inevitable. We need action on the big things first

    • wow – there’s a bit (just a wee bit) to unwrap there but basically it comes down to one thing – nonsense.

      1. the earth won’t collapse – just your part on it. my odds are with man fucking it’s own atmosphere before a super volcano or asteroid does it. I mean – look at history – it’s all been measured in eons yet how long man? virtually minutes in comparison.

      2. everything we can – got us to the moon so far – lol

      Little communities singing Kumbaya? Who says you’re invited? – you’ll be in a cave somewhere hitting things with rocks by the sound of it.

      • So if you’re planning on remaining on the earth, then you’re admitting that the human race is finished, then what’s the big deal about climate change if you’re admitting we’ve no chance of survival?

        In no possibly scenario will the Earth survive any cataclysmic event. We are a sitting duck in a cosmic shooting gallery, and pretty much twice a year we walk across the motorway with our eyes closed.

        Btw Nothing I said was nonsense. Any time we can be taken out, maybe tomorrow, and yes maybe in eons, but it’s coming. I don’t live in denial (that’s a river in Africa)

  13. In the time I have been reading and contributing to blogs it seems that nothing has got through to politicians who feel energised to do something, make a start on stages over three years even. What is being done, of those that are being tackled, is insufficient to deal with the current problems and many do need quick fixes. We can’t go on with this masquerade.
    (Got a song for this see below. I think in songs apparently when my mind machine starts cog-itating. It’s only a sense of humour with bits of fun that keep me going, as I don’t do drugs and limit alcohol.)

    It appears to me that it is time for a coup in Labour. Do you remember they tried one in Muldoon’s time which didn’t gel, I remember Brian Tallboys but I think there were about three. In Labour now there may be a few at the leading edge that could map out a plan for the task but more than that work out what they think that NZ should aspire to, and have shrewd judgments about the barriers and problems that would arise. And ensure that the heavies don’t know and where to put pressure in a sensitive spot.

    David Cunliffe came to mind in my thinking. Just the name for a start and then I realised there are a number of Davids in the Beehive area. Not all suitable though. David Shearer sees poor people as part of his gravy train and could manage WINZ in the manner to which it has become accustomed, perhaps. But people who think like the David in the song It Ain’t Necessarily So, could feel they want to step up and korero.
    I like the Gershwins’ approach here. And they make a good point, you don’t have to be perfect to get into
    political heaven.
    Li’l David was small, but oh my!
    Li’l David was small, but oh my!
    He fought Big Goliath
    Who lay down an’ dieth!
    Li’l David was small, but oh my!…

    To get into Hebben
    Don’ snap for a sebben!
    Live clean! Don’ have no fault!
    Oh, I takes dat gospel
    Whenever it’s pos’ble,
    But wid a grain of salt.

    Aretha belts it out
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1eSiso7VZs

    Factoids – *’Assuming “sebben” means seven, rhymes with Heaven’… mudcat.org
    *In Nazi-occupied Denmark, the Danish underground interrupted the 1943 Nazi victory radio announcements with a recording of the [Ain’t Necessarily So] song, Also it is seen to have a number of allusions to a Jewish blessing and prayer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Ain%27t_Necessarily_So

    The words for masquerade say it all in the inimitable voice of Karen Carpenter RIP.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLW9h76QZ50
    Are we really happy with this lonely game we play
    Looking for the right words to say
    Searching but not finding understanding anyway
    We’re lost in this masquerade
    Thoughts of leaving disappear each time I see your eyes
    And no matter how hard I try
    To understand the reason why we carry on this way
    We’re lost in this masquerade

  14. and they run from imaginary fires and die in imaginary drownings huh….numbnuts?

    highest temp ever recorded in the uk….
    just let that one sink in HIGHEST TEMPRATURE EVER RECORDED IN THE UK

  15. More humans equals more pollution yet the greens are happy for more humans… errr… ok?

    • The highest temperatures were taken at airports, hot, black tarmac, and hot fumes!! Local peoples, outside those airports, temperature measurements were 10 degrees lower, than the “official” temperatures

      • and so presumably were the previous record figures…so your point is nate

        proof of people in the area recording 10 degrees lower citation please.

        and before anyone blathers about 1976 high temp then was 36…so that’s up 4 degrees in my lifetime up to now

      • You talk shit Nathan. But alas, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, even the extremely uneducated like yourself. Leave the science to the scientists and you stick to putting your finger out the window to see what the weathers doing.

    • Sour Kraut, you will be laughing on the other side of you face when you are affected. Personally I think we have left it too late. As they say we fiddled while the world burned.

      • Bert
        You’ve done it. You convinced me. I am voting Labour, so make it a red bubble please. Can’t go past that brilliant leadership.

      • What makes this forum so much fun is that all you lefties, yes including you Yuri the Cosmonaut, take yourselves so fucking serious.

      • Gag
        Yours and Bert’s job here is to convince everyone to vote Labour. That is the purpose of your existence yes? Ok, so I’ll vote for Jacinda’s brilliant leadership. What more do the fuck you want?

        • once again cabbage check my posts hardly a member of the LINO fan club I know it’s a rightard tactic to ascribe opinions they don’t hold to others in order try to bolster your own tissue of lies…but don’t try it with me son.

    • And the UK will start growing grapes and making decent wine and Greenland will start growing wheat… Like they did before

      • But there will be no one to drink the said wine as our population will be non existent…like it was once before

    • That’s weather changing Sour Unkraut, not climate.
      White farming Afrikaaner stock like yourself should know the difference?

  16. Apocalypse Now
    said the news
    Everywhere around
    everything to lose

    Head for the hills
    many now think
    Our global business model
    is starting to stink

    Dismantle the human battery farms!
    said Santa Klaus

    We will keep the system
    but remove the lowerlings
    and for a billion that stay on
    that will be grouse

  17. Like your mobilisation ideas. Not all. But it’s come to this point.

    NZ as a life-raft I don’t know about. I have doubts.

    When Mother Britain is at 40 degrees it’s not a wake-up call, rather the death knell.

  18. MartinC, correto.

    Reading through the comments — strange people. Loons often. Wish you the more rational commenters of The Standard. Despite its Rogernome owners.

  19. Destroying the Earth is wrong. Now, I suspect, nay, believe “climate change” is both seen and used as a means to push other ideologies and global agendas. Might I add, pushed by those whom have concentrated power in the hands of a few.

    Though humanity has studied the laboratories of nature, their is too much hubris from all corners for people to not hold healthy skepticism.

    It many ways this article is calling for better governance. The extensive bullet-pointed-list which ranges from; “sounds good” to “let me think about that” in many ways is already government-policy/law – we might just need a higher quality of.. management? freedom?..

    ..a bad idea implemented poorly is probably a blessing in disguise though. Circling backing to ‘climate change’, what I am sure of is; the corruption in institutions and in peoples hearts is soon reflected in nature and the quality of life here on Earth.

    Society would do well to prize virtues in people rather than collagen injections in the ass and beat ups with at-least-questionable climate cudgels.

    • Agree Zack Brando. But some will always want to to concentrate on collagen injections, so those who are really concerned need to think and do three times as much as the ordinary joe because there is such an important task on their shoulders that others won’t or can’t step up to.

      People here have to discuss and form an opinion on the world that they will work to sustain, and keep to supporting idealistic but practical others who stay on task. I think here has to be idealism, but have to watch it doesn’t get OTT, and have a good heart not allowing maliciousness and sneering at others, but respect for all for the good that is in them which they try to keep to the fore, all at their different levels. But mean- minded people get pleasure in spoiling or destroying and have to be watched out for – if they are thoroughly psychopathic they will let the side down eventually.

    • ouch, it would be easy to agree to that, but, i’m gonna have to say that QAnon loons really have gone down a couple of rabbit warrens worth of holes more than your usual climate “sceptic”. they are both however just as equally damaging to the world.

    • Nobody denies climate change! Yesterday in rains. Today the sun shines. Climate changes everyday in NZ. Fancy that.

  20. lets get past the binary thinking of either third world living conditions if we do address climate change. there has to be a middle ground where we work out how to live with less energy use. all sorts of possibilities if we take power away from private profit making incentives.
    and past the binary of totalatarianism vs local decisions.
    we need both centralisation in some areas and local control in others. we need both. and regional control in between. with different roles. e.g. part of central government role would be to maintain good relationships between regions.
    all sorts of possibilities for different “spheres of influence” at different levels.
    all sorts of possibilities for adapting to a hostile environment.
    ones that martin has indicated. and more we havent thought of yet.
    following chile’s process for writing a new constitution would work. elected people onto a commission to draft policy taking into account public submissions….
    this article has a common sense approach to scare mongering…..
    https://sustainabile.substack.com/p/tilting-at-wind-turbines?r=6q9vp&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
    cheers

    • Cheers to you cp – it’s refreshing to read some thoughtful and practical ideas. We need to have a sneer sometimes, a laugh sometimes, a complaint, but all the time be thinking about how the people can come up from under the weight of the money-mad and delirious-style, mad social climbers. Be thinking, discussing, learning, listening, debating and planning and then doing; how we should manage, could manage, and must try things from an alternative university of Practical Social Democracy, as our alma mater. (Perhaps make Terry Pratchett our dead hero? and join the Unseen University as an imaginative exercise for the more prosaic amongst us. Trying to proceed as individuals we will be pissing into the wind. Uugh!

  21. I think that The Day of the Triffids by John Wyndham is good reading for now. How to cope with a situation that must be fled from but keep thinking and managing to stay on top of the situation, and trying to keep one’s humanity and do good where possible but with wisdom. How best to cope and have a goal and seek people who haven’t abandoned their desire to the follow the golden rule, the idea of sharing and respect for others and the world.

    John W kept his belief in love and commitment in front of him in his writings mostly I think. And hope is there in the stories, but also certainty might grow that there is none, and risk or self-sacrifice may be needed as in the end of The Midwich Cuckoos.
    https://davidbuckingham.net/growing-up-modern/an-awkward-age/the-midwich-cuckoos/

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