I think this is a vast waste of time and is another example of how woke Identitarians have seeped into all aspects of social policy and warped the focus…
Police to spend $2 million over two years to investigate bias and racism
More than $2 million will be spent by police to research where bias and racism exist within policing practices.
It comes as a recent Horizon Research poll, commissioned by The Hui, found more than 70% of Māori believe there is racism in police.
Police will soon undertake the next stage of a long-term research programme – Understanding Policing Delivery – which was launched by Commissioner Andrew Coster last year and is overseen by an independent panel, chaired by Tā (Sir) Kim Workman.
The next phase will involve active research with communities and frontline officers to determine where bias exists in how officers decide who to stop and speak to, how officers engage with people, and decisions around using force and laying charges.
…we are so hell bent in NZ on focusing on identity and framing all issues around Māori while asking ‘is it racist’ which I just believe is counter productive structurally and politically.
When we play the ‘is it racist’ game, someone claims something is racist, others say it isn’t and we go back to our heavily guarded positions and nothing changes.
The question is not ‘are the Police racist’, the question is ‘Are the Police abusing their powers against us the citizens’.
THAT’S the fucking question, playing the ‘is it racist’ game is a total (forgive the pun) cop out.
The Police are abusing ALL of us, by sectioning it off as a Māori problem we allow the bloody cops off the hook!
Take this devastating insight into Police culture…
‘I reckon we just f…ing lie’: Cops caught planning to deceive during murder investigation
Senior police officers investigating a sex worker’s brutal killing planned to lie to a vulnerable prisoner, and then made up evidence to extract information from him.
Stuff is finally able to reveal that two detectives, who have been granted name suppression, were involved in controversial interviews with Mauha Fawcett, who was jailed for murdering Christchurch prostitute Mellory Manning in December 2008.
The detectives were then caught on the covert recorder secreted on one of them, discussing how they could get Fawcett to come up from his cell. One officer suggested they tell a prison guard to inform Fawcett, “That it’s vitally important for this man’s own, his safety, his life. And I reckon we just f…..g lie.”
One detective then proposed telling Fawcett there were, “Two or three people that f…..g, want to f…..g kill his ass,” in order to get him to provide them with information.
While they waited, one officer seemed frustrated by the delay in meeting Fawcett: “F…..g hell, they just used to drag these c….s up screaming and fighting.”
When Fawcett finally arrived, he said he’d heard the detectives wanted to speak to him about his safety. The officers replied: “Yeah, sure brother, that’s why we’re here. We f…..g haven’t just flown up from Christchurch just to chew the fat with you.”
After giving Fawcett chocolate and drinks, the officers told him he was “in a power of shit” with the Mongrel Mob, and claimed the gang were blaming him for Manning’s murder, and “there’s some serious heat coming your way,” and “we’re not just talking bashes, here.”
They mentioned Manning (“the girl in the drink”) and wondered if Fawcett was “going to be the next one in the river.”
Here’s the worst part about this story.
Despite manipulating and lying to a desperate prisoner and bullying a confession out of them, despite that, the legal system still ruled that this deceit, abuse of power and caught in the act evidence was NOT enough to breach the ‘Oppressive level’ of state abuse of power.
Isn’t that extraordinary? After being caught in the act of bullying a confession, the system still protects the cops.
That gives you an insight into the enormity of the power imbalance. You aren’t just up against cops using corrupt processes, you are also up against a legal system that lets them off the hook when they are caught.
How many times do we get told by the cops after a deplorable interview process that borders on bullying a confession out of desperate and simple people, that Police promise to change procedure?
We had it after Police planted evidence in the Arthur Allan Thomas case, we had it after the using false memory evidence from children Christchurch Creche satanic case, we had it after Teina Pora who was interviewed for 5 days in a row, we had it with taking photos illegally from Māori teenagers on the street and last month we had a Detective Superintendent who was the architect of a controversial new police interrogation program called the Complex Investigation Phased Engagement Model, caught out lying about his level of involvement in detectives using his model for a case that was eventually kicked out of court because it was manipulating people into making confessions!
Last month we hear about Alan Hall, whose conviction for murder, of which he has served 19 years in jail, was quashed because Police lied to the Jury and hid crucial evidence from the defence and altered witness statements to entrap him despite Alan Hall having Autism Spectrum Disorder.
Man who spent 19 years in jail for murder was wrongfully convicted, Crown admits
On the eve of a crucial Supreme Court hearing, the Crown has admitted Auckland man Alan Hall, who spent nearly two decades in prison for murder, shouldn’t have been convicted, because police deliberately hid vital evidence from the jury.
In an extraordinary submission to the Supreme Court, Crown Law, which oversees criminal prosecutions in New Zealand, has conceded “a substantial miscarriage of justice occurred in Mr Hall’s case, and that his convictions should be quashed”.
Hall was 23 when police targeted him for murdering Auckland father of five Arthur Easton in 1985.
He spent 19 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit!
Asking if any of this is ‘racist’ totally misses the corrupt abuse of power by Police in the first place!
You can’t have a Police interview process that generates false or illegal confessions! If all we are trying to do is set people up and convict them of crimes we force them to confess to, that’s not a fucking legal process, that’s a gulag!
How have the NZ Police managed to get away with this with so little media attention? Because we frame any abuse of power as ‘racist’ which misses the magnitude of abuse here and switches off 85% who exclude themselves from that dynamic.
I’m not saying the Police aren’t racist, I’m saying framing their abuse of power as ‘racist’ misses the point and let’s everyone else think it doesn’t impact them when it absolutely does.
The question is not ‘are the Police racist’, the question is, ‘Are the Police abusing our civil liberties”. The first question quickly becomes moot, the second question however is very easy to answer.
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You have quite clearly identified the actual issue here Martyn.
Police sit in moral judgement, deciding the guilt of any person unfortunate enough to be interacting with them.
Having arbitrarily taken this position the policy is then to coercively extract confessions using any means legal, moral or otherwise.
Once this has occurred, should it become public knowledge the independent police coverup authority then leaves every stone unturned in the righteous persuit of no evidence of wrongdoing by Police.
We need to insist that Police return to the function bestowed them by their role, that being first the maintenance of public order through the enforcement of the law, and thereafter the unbiased and thorough investigation of allegations of wrongdoing.
As always framing the debate in terms of identity ensures corrupt abuse of power can continue uninterrupted, free to continue infringing on the civil rights of us all.
The problem with this is our police already have preconceived entrenched racist/discriminative views. People say well if you do the crime you do the time, really and who is more likely to do the time. I have experienced first hand being pulled over by police many times and when myself or my partner have questioned them as to why they had pulled us over they make up some lame excuse and they don’t like being confronted. The two million to look at why they are racist is only going to reinforce they are racist but is it really going to change anything. And having more Maori police is this really going to improve relationships when some of the Maori police are actually worse than the Pakeha ones.
Further to the issue of self congratulatory virtue signalling in the police, did anyone catch the police PR shot for tattoos?
5 Maori/PI officers proudly displaying their tattoos (Mostly substantial) – some tribal but mostly general eg: Batman.
Then comes a sickening blurb about diversity in the force and did we know that 98% of recent recruits to the force had tatts? I felt like saying, well if you paid them more than 52K a year, you might even get some people without tatts – that would be diversity!!
Fantail. 98% of recent police recruits have tatts? Where are they getting them from ? What percentage of the general population have tatts ? I doubt that it’s anything like 98%. This is looking more like exclusivity than diversity now.
My initial reaction to the police spending up on anti- discrimination stuff was that to a certain extent this has been forced upon them by continuous accusations of racism, and by arrests and crime stats being interpreted as racist. But if the current demographic of the police force is exemplified by these recruits with tatts, then one has to wonder if this is part of the co-governance dialectic secretly developed by the parliamentary Labour Party.
Actually applewood, I misquoted – what the promo actually said was that 98% of recent applicants had tatts. But whatever way you look at it, most people they take on at the moment will have tatts.
Ok. But this doesn’t quite dovetail with Maori women apparently having the best promotion prospects with accelerated learning programs and so on. Of course positive discrimination has long been practised in the public service, and there are compelling reasons for doing so, and the downside can be talent being sidelined in favour of expedience, and this is something which, like it or not, we have to accept in the interests of social cohesion. But if the police recruiters are now targeting big brown boys with tatts and aligning themselves with the crime stats, let nobody ever accuse them of subtlety. Chances are it’s the overpaid work of marketing gurus of the sort who came up with a gloriously old-Calcutta-ish name for VUW’s extremist centre. That’s what happens when govt departments pay small fortunes and large fortunes to outlier contractors and consultants to do their thinking. Nice work if you can get it.
I imaging Labour see themselves losing voters to the Maori Party as they have done nothing for them in 5 years dispite the numbers in cabinet so this is something to say look how we care .
Not if your surname is Mahuta
Problem with the comment “It comes as a recent Horizon Research poll, commissioned by The Hui, found more than 70% of Māori believe there is racism in police” is that some people will think anything said or done against them is racist no matter what due to their own bias’s.
Given how much power there is in playing the race card these days I am highly suspicious of such polls and the motivation behind the people giving their answers to it.
It’s a bit like asking Turkeys if they like Christmas dinners : do you really think you will get an honest answer
XstraightXedgeX Two middle-aged women I worked with, mothers, cousins from Cannon’s Creek, complained about the police asking them to move on when they were lying drunk on the ground in Pigeon Park. “ Only because we’re Maori, “ they repeated. And they weren’t Maori, they’re Samoan, and possibly unaware that possibly nowadays, females being drunk in public places, isn’t particularly edifying behaviour. Had the ladies cried,“ We’re not Maori”, would the cop stop? What had they been white or yellow ? It’s quite easy to play the race card, but it can also muddy waters and help obscure the real racism, and sexism, and age-ism, which occurs and damages. Playing the victim is also quite an effective and emotive global currency, and sickly examples of this are that jerk Prince Harry and his awful wife.
Martyn
Why are you up in arms about 2 million lousy bucks? That’s the average cost of a Labour highway ribbon cutting gig. NZTA, with 88 highly paid people inexplicably working in PR, have just spent 25 million doing up their offices in Wellington. And you go on about 2 million????