The current crack down and arrests of gang members by the Police is not the great sweeping well thought out counter strike it’s currently being sold as.
What the Police are doing is a reactionary policing action where cops have simply identified Sergeant at Arms and kicked in doors to find guns and take the opportunity to privately talk to enforcers within the gangs in a desperate attempt to gain intelligence and de-escalate.
The problem is that the dynamics of what are actually happening here are well beyond the scope of this current Policing action.
What is happening are unpatched 501 syndicates are pulling strings behind the scenes to escalate conflict between the Killer Beez and Tribesmen in an attempt to gain meth importation from South American Cartels smuggled straight across the border.
That’s a half billion dollar meth trade.
Kicking in doors to warn everyone to play nice or there’s more Police attention coming won’t diminish the fact South American Cartels now see NZ as a viable market and they are actively working with 501 syndicates to gain access to that market.
Kicking in doors and roughing up local enforcers misses the far greater forces at play here and seems almost child like in its optimism.
The fact that all Police have is a list of names to kick in suggests this is a fishing expedition, not a surgical strike.
The danger to us as NZers is that the South American Cartels now see NZ as a legitimate market and their uber violence and counter-terrorism sophistication will cut through local law like a laser through butter.
THAT is why this requires far more strategy and consideration than this knee jerk response at containment.
There are far worse things than dive by shootings.
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I would thinking there is absolutely nothing wrong with “kicking in doors” and confiscating illegal firearms ( I assuming this is within the law) It’s a long road but the more you can confiscate the better. Surely that would make a gun register more workable over the long run.
The gun register is a fantasy solution, an easier but ineffective alternative to hard Police work dealing with crims.
It won’t make a difference – gun crime didn’t go up when we got rid of the old one, in fact it continued to fall. A register relies on: a gun actually being registered (crooks don’t bother); the register being accurate (Police couldn’t accurately register the 15000 E-cat firearms); the serial number being present (most illegal firearms now have it removed already; that will increase). And it only works after a crime, by definition
It’s coming, it’ll cost money, it won’t help. But it’ll be a ‘feel good’ thing for Govt and Police to tout.
In Australia, gun thefts are soaring despite the register. Crims already have MSSAs and handguns here in NZ despite these having always been registered – maybe they come into the country illicitly? We have dog and car registration and that doesn’t seem to help.
Maybe the money this will cost, and that the buyback cost, would have a better return if invested in Police and policing?
I wasn’t suggesting the police shouldn’t do hard work dealing with crime. Why do you think supported kicking in doors? There always seems to be a reason not to try things, but it seemed the less unregistered guns in existence the better. Register aside, guns (unlike cars) are supposed to be stored in an unworkable state ( bolt gone etc), so in terms of a theft for use comparison, a bit different ( if gun owners are storing them properly)
Worth remembering that the ‘501’ problem is one that always was easy to address, if we had a government with guts.
Australia sends us an Australian who happened to be born in New Zealand? Send him back. Simple as. Wouldn’t have taken long to resolve the problem.
“Australia sends us an Australian who happened to be born in New Zealand? Send him back.”
How does that fit with actual laws about citizenship, here and there?
Agreed. Just say no refuse landing rights, refuse to allow the 501s to deboard but apparently, there is some international diplomatic protocol that you can’t just abandon your nation’s citizens. However, there are several things New Zealand could do if the government has the political will they will certainly have the community support.
New Zealand and Australia have anti-terrorism laws that state if your citizen travels overseas to fight for a known terrorist organisation (like Isis) the citizen’s right to return to their country of origin can be revoked and they have to continue on their own way in the world (Syria).
There is a good argument that returning 501s are terrorising New Zealand neighbourhoods and in Australia they have been foot soldiers or commanders for bikie gangs. Gangsters commonly call each other soldier.
All the New Zealand government has to do is declare all the outlaw bikie gangs in Australia (over 30 gangs) as terrorist organisations and then we can legally refuse to accept any of the 501 Terrorists Australia wants to deport our way.
The other thing New Zealand could do is pass a law stating that New Zealand citizens travelling overseas must always abide by the laws of other countries and any failure to abide by Australian law that results in a one year jail sentence automatically causes revocation of New Zealand citizenship.
These ideas might be undiplomatic but when dealing with Australia they only know hardball. The majority of New Zealanders will be happy with a hardball stance and the 501s will thank us for our kindness.
If those ideas don’t work first threaten, then kick out or nationalise all the Aussie banks and keep the $4billion bank profits exported to Australia each year because after all we need the money to sort out the problems caused by these Australian trained and armed terrorists.
On the subject on 501’s, is there any reason why we can’t import their criminal convictions along with them? I’m guessing once they are here in NZ, they have a clean record, so their next conviction is their first.
They sure made us safer fucking up the gun laws and sponsoring the gangs didn’t they.
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