I have no time for conspiracy theorists but I understand the anger and frustration which has been driving the Wellington protest, currently under attack from police, with the government’s broken promise on mandates.
From the outset the Prime Minister should have met with representatives of the group and apologised for the broken promise.
Here she is on Newshub’s AM show in September 2020:
On Tuesday (in September 2020) Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern went a step further, saying not only will there be no forced vaccinations, but those who choose to opt-out won’t face any penalties at all.
“No, and we haven’t for any vaccination in New Zealand applied penalties in that way,” Ardern told The AM Show, after being asked if there might be tax penalties or other sanctions for refusing a COVID-19 vaccine.
“But I would say for anyone who doesn’t take up an effective and tested and safe vaccine when it’s available, that will come at a risk to them.”
It doesn’t get any clearer than that.
Prime Minister – It’s not too late to say sorry – do it now! Today!
Agree. And in September we had Delta variant, now Omicron and everyone can see the difference.
The quote is from September 2020.
Sorry, my fault.
It was time for the Dumb Lives Matter shitshow to leave, they had made their point and a protest had become an unlawful occupation.
100% agree John. Thanks for Ardern quote. I didn’t realize she had said that
I’m sure Ardern should also apologise for having lockdowns and closing the borders and MIQ. And using so much money on vaccines and advertising about them.
Plus 1 to that comment.
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462557/covid-19-hospitalisations-to-hit-800-in-under-a-week-at-current-rate
$2B on advertising?
Stopping NZ citizens coming into their own country was illegal?
Is that part of what you refer to?
Yeah nah, say sorry to the tools that threatened your life, family, work mates, spread vile propaganda and actively seek to overthrow a democratic govt. Cool and normal.
What nonsense seeking to overthrow a democratic government. You mean like the US has done numerous times. This was a tiny number of people expressing their concern, yes fractionated but tiny. There were after all vaccinated people amognst them. We should never ever have had a mandate. I am vaccinated.
Yes we damn well should have and damn well needed to.
You are just another one that has his head in the sand over the state of our health system.
I am no apoligist for Ardern but on this issue I am 100 percent behind her as are most right thinking NZ people. The whole pandemic has been a rapidly changing landscape . On some issues this government has latterly been slow to act but what was true in Sept changed as the virus changed. Most of these people are the out riders of society and selfish in their outlook.
Agree, Trevor. Her statements from September 2020 are before Covid vaccines were in use anywhere in the world, and almost one year before our elimination strategy was derailed by Delta. Instead of vaccinating the population in a zero-Covid environment, we were vaccinating during an outbreak with Delta in the community. Mandates were used to provide protections in an under-vaccinated population. The strategy is changing with Omicron and will continue to do so into the coming year.
Also the mandates were necessary to stop our completely dysfunctional health system failing.
Agree Little is lying through his teeth when he says they can cope
The rapidly changing landscape with covid and the unknowns have been from day one.
Fuckwits, led by chief fuckwits such as Mike Hosking wanted decisions made as if there were certainty and permanence. As the situation evolved and new decisions were made the government was lambasted for changing and adapting. All the while Hosking was changing his mind on a daily basis and finding something else to bitch about. His numbskull followers followed.
Apparently Ardern and co. from Day One were to set up a Grand Plan and relentlessly implement it.
I feel that the Prime Minister has worked very hard in her role and made some very tough decisions.
100% John
It’s about more than just vaccines: All this woman has done since getting elected is denigrate and marginalize groups.
Evidence and examples?
Andrew And what did Bill English do when he said that all our young guys are work shy druggies, so that he could bring in cheap exploitable off- shore labour and keep wages down ? Not only did English absurdly denigrate one demographic en masse and prejudice employers against them, he may have also added to the dreadful suicide stats of 19-24 year old males. For a man who fathered lots of boys, this was a real shocker – and it wasn’t even true.
Well we will see come the next election who else can put their hand up to do better for our country. And what party will look after all people and not neglect many as has been done for 180 years of colonization Andy but then you wouldn’t know cause you have never been marginalised nor have you had your culture and language denigrated.
If had been up to me I would have used tear gas and rubber bullets.
Nice one, into violence then.
Mmmmmmmm some interesting reports out:
Pfizer have been forced to release this report
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf?
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm.
And another one that comes from Sweden written by Nordstrum.
Refusing to talk with the protestors was the first mistake, even showing a little contrition over the use of mandates and it’s effect on those that chose not to be jabbed would have helped.
Bizarrely we have the foreign minister telling the world New Zealand “is a proponent of peace and reconciliation……….Human rights embody universal values. But these values are at risk if we do not accept our collective responsibility to protect and uphold the dignity of all people, individually and collectively, irrespective of the context or situation in which they live.”.
Empty words when you can’t even listen to, or make your case to, those you disagree with here.
Nuremberg NZ site had a list of politicians, Maori and Polynesian leaders, health experts and media to be executed.
Arps was on his way up from Christchurch for the ‘public execution’.
You don’t negotiate with those sort of racist feral fuckwits. They are domestic terrorists who threatened lives. Standard operating procedure: don’t negotiate with terrorists
Links to Steve Bannon, MAGA nuts, QAnon, Counterspin, point to overseas fomenting of the mob all point to externally driven dismantling of democracies around the world. BFD, Groundswell, Karens with their mini-Karen human shields and Density Church’s involvement have all the hallmarks and the same old stench of a National Party Dirty Politics 4.0 operation.
Sure, there were mistakes made, but with a rabid, disparate internally and externally fomented frothing mob, it was always going to be a lose-lose for the Labour Party that guided the team of 4.9 millions through a pandemic that worldwide had over 442million cases and nearly 6 million deaths. And its not over yet!
On behalf of the overwhelming majority of New Zealand I congratulate the police for trying for as long as possible despite to resolve this protest peacefully.
It’s not very long ago that this would have been handled much, much differently and far more ugly.
As for Ardern, I’m glad she didn’t meet with people who wanted to murder her and throw poo, I don’t want an apology , I want a capital gains tax. If she can do a 180 on the vaccine which was always going to be mandatory initially, then she can damn well do a capital gains tax.
The protesters have gone home, all that is left are rioters, I wonder if they will apologize?
Good sense from John Minto, as opposed to the Social Media style ranting, swearing and calling police pigs from Bradbury (who seems to me to need psychological counselling). However, this is no longer a mandate protest, and even from the start was only partially so. There are very dangerous people in that crowd – throwing gas bottles on a fire is complete madness. The police rightly decided to end the occupation. To do this with safety for police and protesters meant that the police had to use overwhelming force. Police actions are nothing like the attacks on the striking miners in the UK – including a cavalry charge at a picket, and lashing out on horseback with batons and feet. Our police have been forbearing to a courageous extent. I see Jacinda as being cowardly in dealing with the protest, and in leaving Bloomfield to take the flack for poor resource decisions.
CLEANUP TIME FOR A DISEASED CESSPIT
Parliament grounds are currently being cleared, finally. As someone else noted, it is weird watching a bunch of ‘protesters’ denying a disease they all currently have!
Many of the comments on here are bullshit coming from people who are just anti government no matter what.
No one has a problem with people protesting its part of our DNA. If you want to be listened to, swearing, threatening, intimidation and abusing people is not the way to go about it. I went on the foreshore and seabed march and we didn’t see any of this type of disregard and for others.
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