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Even I felt like clutching my pearls writing ‘ISIS Terror attack political winners & losers’ as if a terrorism event can be defined into two simplistic evaluations, but this is The Daily Blog, home of the NZ dirtbag Left, and everyone is an adult so consider this your trigger warning and let’s angrily evaluate the political ramifications of this insane situation whereby a known violent militant was able to conduct an act of religious political violence while the entire political establishment sat on their hands.
WINNERS:
SIS & STG – After much criticism for their total inability to detect Tarrant before Christchurch, the SIS & STG regain their mana for their covert surveillance of this ISIS knife fetishist and their incredible response time saved lives and further serious harm. They have operated over and above expectation and must be congratulated for their professionalism and skills at keeping the NZ public safe. They deserve our gratitude.
LOSERS:
ENTIRE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT- From the Prime Minister to Judith Collins, the judiciary, the Parliament & Corrections, everyone knew this ratbag was a nutter who was going to harm people yet no one managed to come up with a solution other than watching him every step of the journey up until hurting people. I appreciate his refugee status complicated things but that just means they needed to try harder! FFS, breaching Hager’s civil rights and Maori activists civil rights or environmentalists civil rights were all done without hesitation but an actual threat who might maim and kill we simply gave up on attempting to stop him? This has been a clusterfuck of buercratic incompetence and the entire establishment owes the nation an apology. I’m not holding anyone person responsible, this is a systemic problem not able to respond quick enough to a threat.
CORRECTIONS – The incoming briefing papers from Corrections to Minister Kelvin Davis in 2020 specifically warned of violent extremist radicalization occurring inside NZ prisons yet their seems to be no de-radicalization programs operating to counter this. Our prison system is breeding violent extremist radicalization, why the fuck are we creating terrorists inside our prison system?
GREENS, WOKE & QANON LUNATICS – In the name of the non-binary mother, non-binary daughter and the monthly ghost, the holy trinity of woke identity politics dogma are: All white people are irredeemable racists, all men are rapists and anyone defending free speech is a uniform wearing Nazi.
When the Australian white supremacy terrorist committed his atrocity in Christchurch, the Woke & Greens pounced. This wasn’t as Jacinda had argued a crime perpetrated against NZ because we were the opposite of what the terrorist wanted, oh no, this happened because white cis male heteronormative toxic masculinity combined with evil white culture nurtured this atrocity.
That’s why so many in Auckland walked out of the memorial because the Woke and the Greens used the massacre as an opportunity to peddle their critical race theory and blame all White people for the actions of one extremist.
They have gone on to push for Hate Speech powers that criminalise the misuse of pronouns and impose a blasphemy law to tick their identity politic boxes using Christchurch as their justification.
So what now when an ISIS extremist has committed a terror attack in West Auckland? Are the Woke claiming this extremist is a representation of all Muslims?
Like fuck they are.
It is so important that in the wake of this shock of an ISIS terror attack on NZ soil that we do not do what the Greens & Woke did in the wake of the White supremacist attack in Christchurch and blame all white people – this extremist DOES NOT represent Islam
This despicable ISIS terrorist represents all Islam the way Brenton Tarrant represents all Christians – we must not allow the petty tyrants of our nature blame our Muslim brothers & sisters for the actions of a deplorable individual.
ISIS is to Islam what the KKK are to Christianity – judging all by one leads to cruelty.
The joyless puritanical Woke are pushing their own agendas for cultural power, their interests in laws and values that protect us all are as vacant as the alt right Qanon lunatics who last week were claiming Jacinda was a totalitarian socialist using Covid to bring about a Police state while this week attacking her for not being enough of a Police State by not arresting the ISIS terrorist.
The extremists on both sides are killing us, we need a radical centre!
Thank fuck the Hate speech laws protected us from another terror attack eh! Oh wait….
DUE PROCESS – The original Terrorism Act was knee jerked through by a terrified Government post 9/11 and was found to be unworkable during the Urewera terrorism fiasco and all the illegal spying was retrospectively forgiven by Key. That we are now going to rush through legislation after being freaked out again is a dire similarity. Allowing the State to arrest you for thought crimes is never going to be abused by the state ever.
REFUGEES –You can see the backlash against refugees building already on social media and that’s incredibly unfair. The vast vast vast vast majority of refugees are good and decent people fleeing horror – we need to help them with counselling services and wrap around support to ensure their wounds are healed – that’s part of the obligation in taking refugees.
CONCLUSION:
Look, the inability to arrest someone for plotting a terror attack wouldn’t have mattered in this case as the terrorist was convicted of a weapons charge which carries a longer sentence, it was his refugee status that was preventing deportation.
Rather than a purge on refugees and some Orwellian thought crime law, we instead invest in the social services that help them integrate and feel connected to their new host society rather than turn on it.
This was a radicalized loner, he doesn’t represent the wider Muslim or Refugee community and we should accept his presence here was driven by bureaucracy snookering our actions rather than the need for a vast new terror power.
In the shadow of the 20th anniversary of 9/11 please tell me we aren’t so fucking stupid to fall for the same old fears that generate the same State overreach into our collective civil liberties.
Please tell me we are better than that now?
Please!
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Losers:
The public wounded, maimed and terrorised by this and left wondering why it happened when even the Prime Minister knew the threat this loser posed.
Hate speech laws. The government wasted precious time dicking around with this subject rather than addressing glaring flaws in immigration law. And it proved just how pointless hate speech laws are.
NZ’s immigration laws.
Can someone please remind Jacinda that she is the Prime Minister of a majority government and explain to her what governments do! If certain laws are not fit for purpose and the outcome of such unfit laws see citizens as lambs to the slaughter, then a government CAN and SHOULD change such laws to protect us immediately. You know, do what parliament does, pass laws.
For fuck sake Prime Minister, never ever again tell us you were seeking advice for 3 years life some impotent civil servant. That spin was nothing more than pure incompetence and shoulder shrugging indifference!
Don’t forget to ask the questions of Key and the Natz, as well as the judicial systems.
You don’t really have the type of genius and intellect we are after that could go at counter terror operations the way we remember Genghis and Sun Tzu.
Sure waiting for advice is just us lucking out, but waiting for official advise is standard practice, as if some one else is going to hold your hand while you run the country.
That’s just the limits to ones imagination.
There’s no justification for punishing the entire refugee population ad infinitum because we found one person in Shri Lanka despicable.
The principal that refugees must be published for what different governments do it do not do I think is despicable.
Somehow we have to accept that the government of Shri Lanka is legitimate so we can help them improve. We can’t help refugees get to New Zealand but if they show up, we have to help them.
The government through the media have had absolutely no qualms about making an example of a single person failing to comply with ridiculous mask mandates or failing to give confidential information to some trainee at the supermarket. Ardern’s kindness projections are choreographed fantasy. With the risk groups now mostly immunised and supposedly protected these people are only a threat to themselves. A stabber is a risk to us all, and if potential stabbers get this same urge they should book a flight home immediately.
Agreed, knee jerk reactionism and stigmatising a whole group for the action of one is a fail. I think Countdown went so far as to take knives off the shelves but that is unsustainable. If the big hardware stores took all their potential weapon pointy stock off the shelves they would go out of business, as would any shop. It’s bad enough that the government treats individuals as biohazards, where everyone is presumed guilty until they can prove their innocence and health status.
The global military-industrial–financial complex needs ordinary people to feel threatened so it can justify reductions in civil liberties and contracts to ‘security’ agencies.
Real major threats go the general populace are downplayed or comeletely ignored
It’s all a game for the political establushement, and ordinary folk are just the pawns to be manipulated, misled and sacrificed.
Over at interest.co.nz are numerous reports on the massive global economic shitstorm that is now demolishing ‘orthodox’ economic arrangements – from the US to Europe to China to Australia and all points between- of falling retail sales, falling factory orders, gridlocked supply chains and falling confidence.
And apparently NZ lost control of its carbon trading scam to speculators. Not a misspell there. Definitely carbon trading scam, not scheme.
Let’s see how kind and compassionate LINO are when the global economic system melts down (later this year?).
Needless to say, the ongoing meltdown of the environment continues unabated, LINO or no LINO, and lockdown or no lockown.
Bomber
We dont agree on much
But I do agree with much of what you pen today.
Especially your plea that there is no over reaction in terms of giving state agencies more power.
They have the powers.
Use them more efficiently rather than clamor for more.
As Voltaire warned: Beware of the words, “internal security,”
for they are the, eternal cry, of the oppressor.
The State have plenty of powers however very little common sense imho ?
Voltaire said something worthwhile there. Kafka might have something to say as well.
Those sayings are old as fuck because they were written in blood to save this dammed country.
Freedom is not free( to subvert the catchcry of the US right).
My fear is that in the panic and alarm more ill considered and unworkable”anti-terror’ laws will be rammed through parliament.
Mainstream media claim that all over Auckland people are fearfully trembling and demanding immediate government action. Is that really the case?
To put things in proportion. As soon as lockdown ends various drunken clowns( most of them New Zealand citizens) will get pissed up and drive like idiots, take offence at something trivial and king hit some poor bastard or give their female partners and children impromptu boxing lessons.
Do any of you stay home and fear to go shopping because of drunks, hooligans and crims? ( you are much more likely to meet one of these than an islamic terrorist).
Do we propose passing special laws under urgency when a vehicle full of high spirited and drunken youngsters crashes with multiple deaths? That is a tragedy too and we cannot blame that on anyone but ourselves.
Being a democracy involves some risks. The alternatives are gulags and concentration camps and punishing innocent people because they could ”potentially” be criminals.
Are there any countries that do that I wonder? Can anyone think of any obvious candidates that oppress whole groups of people in the name of national security?
Do we really want to walk hand in hand with people who traffick body parts?
We’re all losers when this happens here. After the Aromoana tragedy when Kiwi loner David Gray shot a cop and rural dwellers in idyllic Otago countryside, I talked with a not-unknown N Z’er who spent time inside his house post-mortem and described it as a picture of devastating loneliness. I don’t recall any rush to place
curbs on guns then, but Gray was one of us, and was not conveniently politicisable.
It shouldn’t be surprising if a new term enters the local lexicon, along the lines of: quarantine psychosis. Even
affluent, seemingly well integrated and well buffeted citizens, have moaned and whinged ceaselessly about Covid quarantines, and whatever deprivations these have placed upon their privileged life styles. The isolated, and those crammed wth kids into aunty’s laundry, are finding it pretty tough too.
Look agree with all this, all political parties have failed the country.
But it is truely crazy how a person on a student visa is able to then claim refugee status (sounds bogus as his family don’t seem persecuted and detained in Sri Lanka) and plan attacks on others in NZ and the woke do nothing.
Refugees and those waiting for deportation need to be detained (like in Australia) while their status is being determined and questions need to be asked why so many high needs people have their deportations overturned by the migrants protections agency (1/3) and why it takes to long – years. If people are detained while they wait deportation the are much more likely to leave voluntarily and not keep the systems rolling for years.
Also questions need to be asked why they are so underfunded for deporting people in NZ which seem to be few and far between.
“Investigators joke about having a ‘whip around’ or ‘raffles’ to pay for deporting target after budget blowout, according to Immigration NZ emails.” https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/immigration-new-zealand-budget-blowout-kept-overstayers-in-nz/M4SWQ4XXCYOS5WV2I7DTJDCH5M/
Those who are deported also come back, pretty quickly into NZ under other identities like the Malaysian builders. The whole deportation systems needs to be upgraded to reflect the ease of travel and the world opening up and entire countries nationals are now able to decide to claim asylum once getting to a country they decide they want to settle in and do it very easily by just getting a visa, flying in, and then claiming asylum or in NZ having kids under various visas for years, and then refusing to leave due to their kids being Kiwi citizens and claiming permanent residency and citizenship that way.
It actually is stopping other refugees who need it more, to get the status to come to NZ. And now we even have celebrity refugees like Behrouz Boochani, personally picked up at the airport by the Greens while claiming he would not claim refugee status in NZ if they gave him a visa, obviously a lie. Behrouz Boochani should have had their refugee case determined in Australia not NZ, because that is the first country he claimed asylum. Many of the entitled woke coming to NZ, are then critical of NZ and Kiwis, and in extreme cases turn violent like S if they don’t get their own way.
You just need to claim you are gay, mentally ill, economically challenged and will face negative forces in your own country, and somehow milk becoming a refugee, where apparently you can do no wrong, and openly state how you want to kill others. Not the only refugee to be constantly in jail. The woke are taking over the refugee space, against genuine refugees it is mean’t for.
There are 85 million people in Iran alone, 21 million in Sri Lanka, 1.4 billion in China and India, and 39 million in Afghanistan and these are the nationals of countries that are claiming the most refugee status in NZ.
You can even declare yourself stateless by renouncing your other citizenship (like the ISIS terror bride) which seems to work a treat to have a free VIP service to get back into NZ and not take any responsibility.
As well as student, visitor and work visas, all you need do to come to NZ is marry someone these days. If you don’t get into NZ quick enough (during Covid) you can sue the immigration minister because of your love interests are not met fast enough. Some are on their third spouse sponsorship under this system. If you break up within a few years, dowry and money changing hands, no worries, just another person who can become a NZ citizen through this means.
Clearly there is now a plethora of people flocking to NZ, who claim refugee and other visas status, but seem to be more entitled nutjobs or privileged, middle class woke, playing the system here that our woke system loves to entertain for years. Once here the coveted refugee status or identity politics like claiming they are mentally ill, gay etc, means they can do whatever they want, while milking maximum amounts of help and media attention, that Kiwis who are born here, don’t get.
You’re clearly quite bitter. A bit of sunshine and love might help.
A true critical thinker and expert in referencing when it suits his POV, often using spicy sauces he’d otherwise criticise as being unreliable.
I agree with much of what he says usually (in relation to our immigration policy and implementation being a COMPLETE FUCKING SHAMBLES) except that the sauces for geese and ganders are usually quite different. It reminds me of that Key Hardtalk interview.
As for the SriLankan tearist, I’d rather wait till the expertise of the likes of Alistair McClymont, Paul Buchanan, Stewart Dalley (Chair of the Auckland District Law Society’s Immigration and Refugee Law Committee), and one or two others can be analysed properly. I would put money on the Far Foy and one or two officials in that Ministry for Everything doing what they do best – which will amount to BAU – in this space, going forward.
@ Daryl, Shouldn’t you be at a committee meeting, putting down others while offering zero comments yourself, woke style on this forum.
Seems like insults have replaced reason.
We don’t really try and control what other people want to say around here. Try the standard if you want blaned writing.
Sounds like you’re trying to control me Sam. Now if I was SaveNZ I’d call you a silencing woketard, but that would be incorrect and just plain rude
Yes, lighten up a bit saveNZ. You run the risk of coming across as a far-righter that positions all immigrants and refugees as “dangerous others”. For sure, immigration has become a lightening rod for discontent, here and elsewhere, but don’t go too far down that path least you find yourself radicalized by someone far more extreme than Winston.
uphill.shit.push I’m afraid @bozo. which is a shame.
An intelligent mind hampered by a pre disposition.
(but you know – hark at me – who the fuck am I to judge) If I was still marking student assignments, his wouldn’t get much above a C average and in moderation we’d be nodding heads about his being a try-hard.
Mind you. most moderation meetings were like a mothers union knitting b where peggy squares where compared with each other to see which would make the best bed covering
pffft …….. next
lol
@OnceWasTim Must be hard to get a job, since the crackdowns. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/poor-marks-for-troubled-foreign-student-schools/CIM45SS724SM2TY4FJUWWGKP4U/
Bozo, the problem is that the woke keep silencing and pushing everything under the carpet. This has been going on for over a decade, the solution is not silencing people, the solution is to solve the problem of immigration in NZ.
We have rural NZ putting tractors through petrol stations, such is the state of our country which seems to have more than a few rotten apples. Meanwhile I know a number of migrant doctors who are about to leave NZ, due to feeling unwanted. Why do the woke fight (and government listens) so hard for bad people to live in NZ and criminals rights, while allowing 95% collateral damage to victims here, meanwhile great applicants for migration can’t get though because they don’t fabricate their applications.
The last thing I want is right wing, Boris and Trump like figures leading NZ, but that is where we go, if the left keeps up with their obsession which has deteriorated into a farce, such as a two person security detail on a terror suspect who then goes on to knife people in a run of the mill, mall in Auckland.
No not Boris or Trump. I had in mind the European context.
https://www.eyes-on-europe.eu/explaining-the-main-drivers-of-anti-immigration-attitudes-in-europe/
Agree. There also needs to be a wider conversation and joined up thinking about how the perpetrator came to be radicalised with extremist ideology. What was missing in his life that made him susceptible? Social connections? Mental health support? Adequate housing? A job with dignity? Sadly for far too many in this country, this is their life. How many others are there like him, on the same trajectory to the same tragic and futile end? We have to be better than this.
Winston Peters: “We should only take people into NZ that we need, not those who need us.”
And: “New Zealand should fix its own backyard first, pointing to 50,000 homeless and “degradation” in places like Hokianga.”
Never count him out.
Correct we need to tidy up our own backyard first.
Winston and NZ First have been going on about the unsustainable high numbers of immigrants coming into NZ however Labour and National will not listen. Evidently China have the thumbscrews on Labour re Immigration.
It is getting crazy the amount of time and effort NZ has to spend on high needs foreign cases, not just extreme cases of terror, but the general entitlement and lawless ness of foreign nationals turned NZ residents, that seem to be get into NZ and stay here, so easily.
Gang connections, Meth addictions, escaping police custody, etc. It would be a comedy, apart from Police don’t seem to have enough resources anymore to help genuine people at risk in NZ from the growing cases.
Guarded prisoner Uditha Punchihewa escaped from hospital toilet
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117863584/guarded-prisoner-uditha-punchihewa-escaped-from-hospital-toilet
Unlike foreign claiming refugees we actually have torture cases in NZ, but the local victims get no justice. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/12/united-nations-finds-new-zealand-breached-convention-against-torture-in-lake-alice-abuse-allegations.html
Time to look at NZ victims and start supporting them instead of foreign woke students playing the international system to their advantage.
Wake up call, it’s only going to get a lot worse! In the EU they have so many economic migrants streaming in that they are unable to process, under the guise of refugee. The status of refugee and protected person is so wide now, half the world now can claim that status! The more the status is given, the more the people come.
Time to stop pandering to these dictators whose nationals stream out and claim asylum in the west and tighten up the definitions of what a refugee status, should look like as currently more than half the world’s population can claim it.
We definitely have a problem with new immigrants in NZ especially the Asian & South American Drug Importers who have linked up with the NZ and Aussie Gangs to distribute their products. We have very porous borders and it is virtually impossible to stop drug importations.
These Gangs are supplying people who already have mental health issues and it is putting more pressure on our police and health workers who are trying to deal with these issues. I do not know what the answer is, more police, more money, more health professionals is not going to solve the problem of illicit drugs entering NZ.
Maybe make all drugs legal and then treat it as a Mental Health Issue ?
“Could have been worse” is not a great reason to call the police response a “winner”.
Contrast how the counter terrorism unit acted when arresting Kim Dotcom.
The have a lot of discretion and wide ranging powers. I seriously doubt Jacinda’s excuse that they had tried “everything”.
A lot of State resources went into the Kim Dotcom and Tuhoe Terrorist Raids ?
Yes, why was that, it was almost vendetta like in its approach?
Still at a loss as to the Dotcom overkill.
The ‘lawlessness of foreign nationals turned NZ residents?”
What is the amount of lawlessness of ‘foreign nationals turned NZ residents’ compared to lawlessness of other New Zealand citizens? If there is a difference why do you think that is?
What is the amount of lawlessness of ‘foreign nationals turned NZ residents’ compared to lawlessness of other New Zealand citizens?
Said like a true empiricist Peter. Not sure how you’d get the data. Perhaps the next census can explore that, although self-report is not all that reliable! Plus, a devil of a job with defining what constitutes “lawlessness”.
Correct we need to tidy up our own backyard first.
Winston and NZ First have been going on about the unsustainable high numbers of immigrants coming into NZ however Labour and National will not listen. Evidently China have the thumbscrews on Labour re Immigration.
I’m getting a warning about a lack of security on this blog Martyn. Don’t know anything about it just letting you know.
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