Southern & Molyneux: Autopsy of an Abortion

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Martyn Bradbury
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So it turns out Southern & Molyneux were less popular than Spinoff TV, who woulda thunk it?

I’m so thankful this bullshit has been called off because I just didn’t believe the Woke Left could have been trusted not to start violence if they had confronted the shut in weirdos who would have bought tickets to this kind of carnival of pale ignorance.

When activists screamed this hate speech would incite violence, they meant incite violence from them.

All week the Woke Left have been whipping themselves into a self-flagellated ‘punch a Nazi in the face’ level of  self righteousness that if exploded would have simply given these right wing circus freaks the martyrdom they so desperately wanted.

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This entire thing was a fiasco that ended up in people calling anyone supporting free speech a Nazi while others seriously claimed free speech was actually white privilege.

We were trolled by two crypto-fascsists and inadvertently did their marketing for them.

Is it possible that Southern & Molyneux really came to NZ on the off chance the Powerstation would just let them have a venue? I mean there’s wishful thinking & then there’s criminal negligence – if their rhetoric is half as stupid as their travel plans we had nothing to fear.

I agreed with Goff stopping them having access to a public venue, but they still had the right to a private venue, as we all did to protest them at that private venue.

30 seconds after the venue was made public, the backlash and social media pile on to destroy The PowerStation was as rational as throwing molotov cocktails at the Pop-Up Globe for daring to suggest a male perspective on MeToo.

The PowerStation are a small family operation who even  the magnificent Ladi 6 (who is playing there next week) tried to stand up for..

…hilariously The PowerStation owner ended up asking the Spin Off journalist who called them to find out what the bloody hell they were playing at what they should do.

If you are asking the SpinOff who are about to destroy you what you should be doing, you are well out of your depth.

Once the Powerstation’s reputation was as smouldering as Pop-Up Globes, the Woke Left turned on the media for interviewing Southern & Molyneux with the intention of broadcasting it over the weekend.

I’m waiting for someone to start an Action Station petition to fire bomb TVNZs transmission dish, incidentally someone did in fact make a bomb threat to the PowerStation. What little charmers.

The Woke Left scream that any platforming of these proto-Nazi’s was akin to being a member of the Hitler Youth yourself which of course drives this venom underground and only makes it more toxic.

We engage with snakes like this, not to convince the snake they are wrong, but to stop our fellow countrymen and women from siding with the snakes, it’s a juggling act we are going to have to get our heads around because this isn’t going away.

The next global financial crisis will create economic shockwaves the far right feed on and convincing your fellow countrymen and women not to listen when they are angry and vulnerable will take far more nuance than ‘you’re a fucking Nazi bro’ level of debate.

Crypto-fascists 1 New Zealand 0

 

 

71 COMMENTS

  1. Having just watched Patrick Gower’s interview – which I would recommend to masochists – it is the anger of these two rabble-rousers which really shocked me. They are both very very angry people, and they are angry at New Zealanders.

    She’s worse than I had thought and probably deranged, while Molyneux was just flying over the cuckoo’s nest. Nuts.

    Prancing around like 13 year olds under an iconic Maori carving disrespecting us and then expecting us to respect them, is surreal.
    It was also deliberately provocative.

    It certainly looks as if they came to this country to cause trouble, and good that basically, they had little chance to.Their anger is scary, as is all/most anger and extremes.

    • Agree that image says it all. So rude! So dumb! What idiots. Is it free speech or hate speech? Venues also have the freedom not to provide the forum for rabble rousing, which is what they were here to do. Its too bad for them no one wanted to host them, but IMO doesn’t mean they were prevented from speaking freely, they just didn’t find anywhere to do it.

  2. I enjoy listening to these two. I don’t always agree nor do I have to. Their posting on you tube has opened many eyes about N.Z.
    Serves us right for demonstrating to the world that Kiwis with get up and go have got up and gone.

  3. I personally feel everyone, including TDB, gave these arsehats way too much oxygen. Just let them celebrate whatever “culture” they’re in to and then watch them subsequently fizzle out organically when people realise there is no actual value/point in anything they are selling.

    • I agree fully.
      The “left” fractured itself nicely in to various bits all more righteous than the other. And big air time was made for a couple of non event people from somewhere else.

      • That sums it up nicely.

        Does anyone believe even for a moment that Kiwiblog or Whaleoil would’ve expended as much energy defending the right of far-left activists to speak in New Zealand? Yeah. Nah. Of course not.

        And the moment the Left points out to right-wingers that “we”* support the right of neo-fascists to free speech, do you know what their response will be? Derisory dismissal with the snide descriptor “virtue signalling”. Wait for it, it’ll be coming.

        (* not all left-wingers share the same beliefs on this issue)

          • I do have to admit one thing and that is when Hillary Clinton was losing right at the end and the faces of the crying people who were losing their shit when Trump won. It’s kind of funny but I’m saying I’m sorry but if that’s the truth of their existence that they put every ounce of their shit into this corrupt ass politician whether it’s Hillary Clinton or Bill English or any of those corrupt politicians or any of them. I feel sorry for them, I was fucken laughing at those people when Clinton lost and those people were losing there shit. I traveled, less now but traveling allows you to see the boarders of progress but when meeting people in the middle of progress you get to see the truth of progress and it’s like wow these are the people who vote for Trump. It’s like when did it become The Divided States of America. It’s like it dosnt matter, democrats or republicans we’re still fucked.

        • > “Does anyone believe even for a moment that Kiwiblog or Whaleoil would’ve expended as much energy defending the right of far-left activists to speak in New Zealand? Yeah. Nah. Of course not.”

          Probably not, and that’s what makes us better than them. We stick to our principles, consistently, like people with integrity, even when it’s inconvenient. At least in theory. The problem is, as has just been demonstrated, large chunks of the contemporary left appear to be no more principled or self-critical than the gutter right.

          Stalin didn’t kill millions of people on his own. He did it by whipping up a lynch mob, and convicting people in kangeroo courts that threw all ideas of natural justice or due process out the window. So, when I see people being accused of being “nazis”, and other people being told that defending those people’s human rights makes them “nazis”, and that it’s ok to punch “nazis”, I’m actually more concerned about the neo-Stalinists who think that shit is ok than I am about the vanishingly small minority of actual neo-nazis. I also start to understand why both Animal Farm and 1984 always seemed to be more about soviet-style “socialism” than about fascism, and why Orwell informed on “fellow-travellers” aligned with the USSR towards the end of his life.

  6. You are spouting utter ignorance Martin. You are totally clueless as to the reality of what is happening to Europe, USA, Canada , Australia & UK, due to the MSM blackout. You & others are in for a big shock when the truth hits you
    because you will realise how you’ve been lied to , but by then it will be too late.

  7. Crypto-fascists? Sez who? Do you mean fascism Italian-style? I’m guessing not….

    In my view, the Left hasn’t covered itself in glory over this whole sorry episode. Were it the case that it was secure in its belief system, and in its place in NZ society, it would not have made a song and dance about Southern and Molyneux coming here. And it would have protested Auckland Council’s decision to deny them a venue.

    Instead, events suggest one of two things:
    a) either Left-wingers are in fact very insecure about how NZers would have reacted, and wanted to prevent Southern and Molyneux from being able to speak, in case the rest of us agreed with them.
    or
    b) the Left actually doesn’t believe in “free speech” – except for itself, or for those holding views with which it agrees.

    • Instead, events suggest one of two things:
      a) either Left-wingers are in fact very insecure about how NZers would have reacted, and wanted to prevent Southern and Molyneux from being able to speak, in case the rest of us agreed with them.
      or
      b) the Left actually doesn’t believe in “free speech” – except for itself, or for those holding views with which it agrees.

      Or, a third option you conveniently omitted, D’esterre is that the propagation of neo-fascist views (even if couched in polite, pseudo-intellectual terms) might encourage far-right nutters in our society to violence. Of course, provocateurs like Southern and Molyneux would deny all responsibility if someone acted on their words – but would then justify violence by repeating their bigotted views. Or indulging in “whataboutism”.

      People like Southern and Molyneux are no direct threat to us. But their followers… that’s another story entirely.

      I wonder what neo-fascist material Anders Breivik heard/read before going on his murderous ramapage in 2011?

    • Deseterre a desperate theory you are inflating the lefts power which has been in decline since WW2.
      But fascism and Racism ethnic cleansing is on the rise since the GFC.
      Unemployment poor skills for the work place poor education levels have allowed this backlash of the poor and ignorant to occur.
      Parrellel to the same reasons Hitler came to power.
      Remember the National “Socialists”
      Hitler was a Racist Socialist who had a Command and Control economy.
      He was against austerity the very reason fascism is on the rise again.
      The punishing sanctions on Germany WW1 lead to a leap forward in thinking.
      The Marshall Plan by making Germany wealthy they realised that was how to defeat fascism in the long term.

  8. whilst they were here were they staying with bob jones ? or perhaps somewhere on white mans island [waiheke]

    • The anti-free speech crowd have allowed this subject a large undue amount of press coverage that have now made Southern and Molyneux look like hero’s in the social media sites now with over a half a million ‘likes’ on Facebook and you YouTube with a massive support building outside NZ also so it had a positive effect on getting their views supported outside NZ and within.

      The anti-free speech should have just ignored the pair and it would not have increased their support globally.

  9. At 5:20ff in the interview with Gower, Molyneux says “the most established metric is social science is IQ. If there is no valid test of intelligence called IQ then there’s no such thing as social science at all”
    Oh please. My only conclusions from that statement is that he is either a king size bullshitter or has no idea what is talking about and that right wing intelligence really is an oxymoron.

    • re IQ…the debate as to whether IQ tests are culturally biased or genetically determined or even whether they measure anything useful at all , has been on-going for many years in the universities in the social sciences

      …and some would say the social sciences are not real sciences or hard sciences at all…but they do ask the questions , they do try to get the data and they do try to draw conclusions , albeit tentative conclusions…so perhaps questions about the issue of IQ mirror other questions in the social sciences?

      …a recent ‘New Scientist’ article (21 July)has an interesting take on the various issues surrounding IQ tests at the present time …eg. genes are not destiny ( about 50% of the difference in intelligence between people is due to genetics and IQ is not a predictor of success either at school or economically later in life);Can intelligence be measured? ;Can intelligence change?; different sorts of IQ; what makes one person smarter than another?; what is intelligence ? etc etc

      ‘The truth about intelligence: How useful is a high IQ?’

      https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931870-700-the-truth-about-intelligence-how-useful-is-a-high-iq/

  11. the so called principle of free speech is a very weak principle when it comes to people like these.
    The British government just said they were undesirable and that was that.
    here we are wringing our hands because these people were asked to find their own hall. hahahahahaha.

    • +100…worth watching …certainly more appealing than some thugs on the Left imo…in fact I think I will no longer call myself Left

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