1. Key’s legacy wasn’t nothing. It was less than nothing. It was a debt that leaves us in hock with limitations on future programmes unless the government has the guts and/or smarts to step outside the mainstream financial systems.

2. Yeah , – and then there’s Operation Burnham , the Panama Papers and NZ’s Tax Haven , the setting up of Kim Dotcom and the illegal arrest and search warrant , – not to mention the debacle with Nicky Hager , the Hobbit Laws, the misuse of the SIS by Keys office , the XKEYSCORE program lies , Dirty Politics run out of Keys office ( again ) and a raft of other corruptions.

   The great big list of John Key’s big fat lies (UPDATED) « The Standard
   https://thestandard.org.nz/the-great-big-list-of-john-keys-big-fat-lies-updated/

   If anything , the man should be before the courts and only remembered for being the most brazenly corrupt PM this country has ever had the sheer misfortune to have had to endure.

   The only word that will be forever associated with Key and his National party inner core will be ‘corruption’ .

   • and the SkyCity licence extension…

   • 100% Wild Katipo.

     We remember john Key and has corupt club meeting at Bilderberg in 2011 with his three criminal attendees.

     John Key did this secret clandestine meeting he had with this dark secretive black ops organistaion from all of us who live in NZ.

     http://twochurchesonly.com/volume-1/supmat/03/most_influential/bilderberg_group/list_of_bilderberg_attendees.pdf

     QUOTE;
     List of Bilderberg participants 4
     New Zealand
     • John Key (2011-2012), Prime Minister of New Zealand

     • Anyone concerned with national sovereignty should be alarmed at the Bilderbergers.

       The Bilderberg Group: Founded by a Nazi and Continuing the Agenda …
       humansarefree.com/2015/06/the-bilderberg-group-founded-by-nazi.html

     • Oh , – and perhaps I had best clarify about Nazi links regards Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands ,…

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       “Bernhard, a secret history” has revealed that the prince was a member of the German Nazi party until 1934, three years before he married Princess Juliana, the future queen of the Netherlands.

       “Annejet van der Zijl, a Dutch historian, has found membership documents in Berlin’s Humboldt University that prove Prince Bernhard, who studied there, had joined Deutsche Studentenschaft, a National Socialist student fraternity, as well as the Nazi NSDAP and its paramilitary wing, the Sturmabteilung.

       “He left all the groups on leaving university in December 1934, when he went to work for the German chemical giant, IG Farben.”

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       And WHY is this so important?

       Well , perhaps we should once again turn to Hugh Prices article where he states:

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       …’ Mont Pelerin shared the same “conservative revolution” philosophy as the Nazis. It also shared some of the same personnel. For instance, Max von Thurn und Taxis was a sponsor of von Hayek and his new society.

       Thurn und Taxis’ family had founded another society in southern Germany before World War 1, which was composed entirely of aristocrats, known as the Thule Society. Thule in turn formed a special “workers division” known as the “National Socialist German Workers Party” (NSDAP).

       The NSDAP, into which an Austrian corporal named Adolf Hitler was recruited, later became better known by the abbreviated version of its name, the “Nazis.” In 1989, Max von Thurn und Taxis attended a meeting of his Mont Pelerin Society in Christchurch, New Zealand, to judge, first hand, the results of the “worlds most radical free market revolution ‘ …

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       New Right Fight – Who are the New Right?
       http://www.newrightfight.co.nz/pageA.html

       There’s your global One World Government that George Bush Sr bragged about right there.

       Nazi’s.

       Therein lies the origins of their ideology.

       Nazi’s.

       Or ,… to be less ‘Godwin ‘ about it , – far right wing fascist thinkers from the old elitist orders of European nobility.

       You would not buy a house or a car without at least a cursory inquiry into their history , would you ?… and yet ,… so many will blindly vote for criminals to be their leaders , – then wonder why they are doing so poorly in life, – yet not for one minute will they think of inquiring into the background / ideology of the ones they’ve just voted for and placed in power over them….

       Let history be your teacher.

       Because as sure as the sun rises,… the mainstream media certainly wont.

       In fact , the global MSM have blood on their hands in aiding and abetting the obscene carnage of both world wars.

   • Evidently the “Paradise Papers” are due out soon ?

3. Increased debt loading to the US Bankers and his attempt to change the NZ Flag ?

4. Key’s legacy was = Selling of as much of NZ as possible.

   • Sums up Key’s corrupt tenure correctly Cleangreen. The man is also a pervert and a war criminal, as well as a traitor!

     As far as I’m concerned unwanted touching of young girls and women, (accompanied by that creepy, heinous, slimy smirk, as he satisfied himself), war crimes and treason will go down as Key’s filthy legacies!

     • … ” The man is also a pervert and a war criminal, as well as a traitor! ”…

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       Yes indeed, … and after having being asked to cease and desist humiliating that woman , – carried on that behavior for SIX MORE MONTHS !!!

       In plain sight of the Diplomatic Protection Squad , no less.

       And then there was little Fatima… the three year old… and Keys signing off on Operation Burnham.

       While Key sold his mansion off to Chinese buyers for a 20 million dollar profit.

       What a total piece of shit he is.

5. Key enabled the ripping the social fabric of NZ into pieces and flogging off the big bits.

   Society needs and values men who engage in farming, fishing, weaving carpets or weaving anything, building, writing poetry, cooking, cleaning, healing the sick, plumbing, making music and playing and singing it, painting beautiful pictures, designing space rockets, reaching for the stars and picking up rubbish off the pavement.

   We got stuck with a loser who only knows how to make money, and can seemingly barely hit a nail with a hammer – think I can repair a fence and plant a tree or a bean better than John ever could.

   I was living overseas when Norman Kirk was PM but I know that he built his own house – as did Nicky Hager.

   I see no virtue in MSM portraying Key as a state house kid who made good. He didn’t make good at all.

   • … ” We got stuck with a loser who only knows how to make money, and can seemingly barely hit a nail with a hammer – think I can repair a fence and plant a tree or a bean better than John ever could.

     I was living overseas when Norman Kirk was PM but I know that he built his own house – as did Nicky Hager ” …

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     Although this was the punchline, the rest of your post was pure gold.

     Thank you.

     • Thank you, Wild Katipo. I had decided not to comment on Key again, because he is one of those rare people in whom I can see no good at all, absolutely none, and querying my objectivity here.

   • Christine,

     I was living as a kiwi in Toronto in 1972 to 76 when i brought my new only once married new wife home to live and in 1976 and we also missed Kirk’s Government but everyone in Napier said he was a great guy.

     Then we built our own large extension to our only home there we still live in 38 yrs later.

     We have never speculated to get rich and am sad to see others speculate as it will end badly for the younger generation now.

     • Cleangreen – something very fundamental and hugely satisfying about building your own home – I often wish I was a man – but we woman build nests.

       I got Kirk’s biography from the Sallies and am reading it just to encounter a good man; by chance I learned of Raoul Wallenberg and read of him for the pleasure of knowing there are very good selfless people who act for something immensely bigger than themselves. We need them in our psyche.

       Money as God didn’t really exist when I was growing up, it was what sort of person you were that mattered, so the wholesale media worship of a someone like Key, I don’t understand, but it is probably just because the MSM is corporate-owned.

       My late brother – possibly quite wealthy – said that Rupert Murdoch is the most evil man in the world.

       One young relative says a complete breakdown in modern communication systems could engender new and different values.

6. Should have won NZ Real Estate Salesperson of the Year for successive years.

7. That’s what Merchant Bankers do package stuff up and sell it ?

   Parasitic activity ?

8. Good try, Frank, but I think the universal oppobrium shown on Key’s prime ministership has left a sour taste in peoples’ mouth. You’re more charitable than the rest of us.

   On the point of a Science Advisor – couldn’t agree with you more !!

9. The False Man

   It is so good that Mr Key is being seen for what he is. An empty man.

   There is however, one outstanding feature of the miserable toad. He shows us exactly what Capitalists are !

   They harass.They bully too. they underpay staff. They don’t give a fig about anyone or anything – other than their own Greed.

   Key is the man that achieved through his meek little Treasurer English, $100Bn Debt. See Stats NZ. Together they threw the Nation into Poverty. While they grew like fat Pigs.

   We must get rid of unsharing filthy capitalists.

   • The economic doctrine of neoliberal capitalism is easily understood by psychopaths.
     A system where worth is reduced to, and measured by, a simple monetary value. This is something the psychopathic brain, lacking as it does the capacity to comprehend normal emotional significance, can understand.

     The smiling assassin and assorted sub-humans that have backstabbed/lied/betrayed/slithered their way to positions of power and authority in our society…….they prosper in exactly such a system, along with their enablers.

10. Gluckman has come out supporting the use of Genetically Modified Organisms – still support him and the appointment of other Science Advisors?

    • If the science shows that after several decades GMOs pose no threat – then yes. (With the exception of GE such as ‘terminator genes’ in seeds.)

      I am not bound ideologically to any position. I prefer evidence-based policies (as I wrote above).

      And I say that as someone who campaigned against GE in the 1990s and early 2000s.

      • Evidence does not always enable incite into the future and consequences of decisions.

        The precautionary principle stands.

        You can never change one thing without other changes resulting.

        Europe seems to have opinion abouit GM that is progressive in protecting the future of public good, while the capitalist US Corporates worry about expansion of profits as the only measure of worth.

        The war of words and citing of evidence is one one hand to prevent actual and possible harm socially and economically while on the other hand argument is constructed to create opportunity for corporate profit.

        How you apply science and scientific argument is often guided by non scientific ideology.

      • “If the science shows that after several decades GMOs pose no threat – then yes.”

        The problem here is that science can only gather data on things that have happened. The only way to gather scientific data on the consequences of millions of people smoking tobacco, or spraying DDT or dioxin based agro-chemicals around, or building thousands of nuclear power stations, or wiping out the keystone species in ecosystems, or emitting billions of tonnes of carbon-based gases into the air, is to do it. As each of these examples show, it’s often better to apply a cost/ benefit analysis first, and put the burden of proof on those who will profit from potentially risky activities to show that the potential public benefit is significantly greater than the potential social and environmental risk.

        Genetic engineering fails this test not because of the weight of evidence of risk (although it exists), but because once you remove all the empty PR claims about feeding the world, you find a complete lack of evidence for any public benefit. Gluckman’s approach, like most pro-industry scientists, is to downplay the evidence of risk, and reference the industry PR as evidence of benefit. On topics like GE, you need to consult independent scientists like Dr Mike Joy or Dr Merial Watts, or Dr Sean Weaver, who have no skin in the GE game, and can give genuinely neutral assessment of GE that tables *all* the evidence.

        (With the exception of GE such as ‘terminator genes’ in seeds.)

        The same corporate PR that claims GE will “feed the world” now claims that Monstanto was never working “terminator” technology, but there is plenty of evidence that such technology was being developed, and that Monsanto was involved in that research. Anything the GE industry claims needs to be carefully fact-checked. I’ve started doing that here:
        https://www.coactivate.org/projects/drillingfortruth/genetic-engineering/

        • Science is a process whereby evidence is examined and tested.
          Nothing can be “proven” in the realm of Science.

          The burden of evidence without reductionist selection must always involve the bigger picture and never avoidance of information nor argument designed to support and untested theoretical outcome.

          So the precautionary principle is and must be the essential modifier of action.

          • Isn’t that the excuse that Housing NZ used to evict 300 tenants from their homes, John? Those evictions were based on “precautions” as well, not sound reasining and science. Look where that got us.

            • While there may have been claim to eviction being a precautionary measure, such an argument would be weak justification of a simplistic decision.

              Certainly the likely consequences of such a decision would be largely predictable in terms of the effects on tenants.

              The claimed health effects of residual Meths traces were not well researched yet action was taken on poorly supported assumptions.

              A precaution alone is not a sound immutable argument.

              The precautionary approach has to involve a weighing up of evidence and generally delaying of a decision where making that decision may have undesired able or irreversible unwanted consequences.

              So qualified judgment is involved and those affected may well want to be included in the discussion.

    • Gluckman typifies a GMO, brainwashed by the multinational chemical companies and does not have the ability to think outside the square of main stream thinking and group think ?

      • His choice of words leaves that likelihood somewhat open.

        There appears to be little evidence that stands in support of GM cropping and certainly once GM pollen is introduced it may be impossible to eradicate its potential negative effects.

        Several other better and more predictable choices can be made to have more food available, than the reductionist confinement of the proposition to include GM.

        But the larger picture must be looked at and Human population must be limited either by intelligent planning, or by the consequence of a variety of situations created by expansion of numbers and consumption of shrinking Non Renewable Natural Resources.

        China is the only state to formally recognise that and legislate.

        NNRs are finite.

        Gluckman doesn’t seem to go there.

11. John Keys legacy = was to make greed a popular pass time.

    Sad animal he is.

    • In a nutshell clean green .

12. Well writ and calmly John W .

13. Im wih Wild katipo on this one. Key should be before the courts for this country to have any justice for the corruption and crimes he committed. On trial behind him should be NZ’s MSM, for supporting a criminal for 9 years!

14. Key was a ring in headhunted by some new york outfit and given the seaal of approval by the old boag and hooton and other wingnuts in the nationals party and adopted by the hair and teeth crowd from TVNZ and other media.
    his ascension was predicated that if he was good at using other peoples money in business then he could do the same with kiwis.
    The final wash up is that he was all style and no substance and that sums up the idiots who elected him.

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