BREAKING: Labour announce no new taxes before 2020

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Labour is removing National’s tax scare mongering plan by announcing today that there will be no new taxes until after 2020…

Labour is removing National’s tax scare mongering plan by announcing today that there will be no new taxes until after 2020…

Labour has decided to delay any implementation of changes from its tax working group until after the 2020 election in a bid to stop any further political damage from its tax policy.

Finance spokesman Grant Robertson has just made the announcement, which is a reversal of the previous position of leader Jacinda Ardern.

She had reserved the right to implement any changes without an electoral mandate at the 2020 election.

But Robertson said Labour had “heard the call for New Zealanders’ voices to be heard”.

…so now Labour won’t implement any new tax util after 2020 can we get back to how Joyce is lying, how National have done sweet bugger all for the people over the last 9 years and the allegations one of their MPs might be a Chinese spy?

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38 Comments

  1. esoteric pineapples says:

    Doesn’t that mean the right wing has won?

    • MattyGee says:

      In a way it has, especially the farmers who were so opposed to water and carbon taxes, however it does extinguish Natz scaremongering tactics of “Labour will vote the hell out of you if they come into power…” I think Labour had little else they could do

      • mikesh says:

        “There will be no new taxes or levies introduced in our first term of government beyond those we have already announced.”

        That´s what she actually said. This presumably means that water taxes will go ahead. Have they announced carbon taxes? If so, they will also go ahead presumably. And of course National´s tax cuts will be cancelled.

        • LOSTRELIC says:

          The term “tax cuts” embodies a lie and should be called out by opposition parties; the vast majority of people don’t benefit. The left constantly use right-wing propaganda terms – e.g. “free trade” – because they’re too scared that no one will understand them if they tell the truth.

    • CLEANGREEN says:

      No that means theynow have tos cramble to find another way to try and crowd out our opposition parties air tiime to actually talk about policies.

      I guess jacinda took the angle that giving national more oxgen was going to hurt our time to getnthe real message of chage out there before election day.

      Best part was inthe 1pm news jacinda said ‘I as Captain made the call after hearing your voices have allowed time for all voices to be heard’

      So this was what she promised in the Auckland town hall when she said “my government wil firstly given anyone a voice and to be heard”

      So she is doing this because blody Nazi National wouldn’t listen on; asset sales, dumb flags, and a heap more but jacinda will hear us and thats a big plus for us all.

      • WILD KATIPO says:

        And as we speak , NAtional are planning to sell off Landcorp farms – OUR ASSETS !!!

        National intends to sell another strategic asset « The Standard
        https://thestandard.org.nz/national-intends-to-sell-another-strategic-asset/

        • David Stone says:

          Better than selling them direct to offshore buyers as they were talking about a few weeks ago. Remember that Landcorp is the SOE created out of the Land Development Dpt. that was created to do exactly what this announcement entails, and placed hundreds if not thousands of young farmers on land. That was it’s purpose and it all stopped under Roger Douglas.
          I think individually owned NZ farms is a desirable situation.
          Farms don’t return much cf their market value, so the loss to the taxpayer is minimal if it’s not financially beneficial. I doubt Landcorp makes much profit except for land sales.
          Always as long as banning sales to overseas interests goes with it.
          D J S

    • reason says:

      For some reason Labour has chosen not to point out the enormous black hole in our Governments accounts and book keeping ….. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-11/corporate-tax-minimisation-costs-governments-1-trillion/7587092

      New Zealand is poorly informed about the scam being inflicted upon us ….If Labour will not speak up about the elephant in the room then the the Greens should highlight this tax injustice,….. it would probably help if they cooperate and network with their Aussie compatriots, who have done good work in this area ……. https://greens.org.au/tax-avoidance

      Nationals tax policy is apprently for the ‘creative’ …..

      John Key: …. “, if they want to be creative and work hard, to significantly reduce their tax liability but in a lawful way.” ….

      “, Mr Rozvany said just because something is legal does not mean it is ethical.
      “It’s an interesting thing, ‘within the law’,” Mr Rozvany said.
      “Many things were once legal. Rape and paedophilia were once legal.
      “If you set up a sham transaction in a tax haven with a view to shifting profits from a high tax jurisdiction to a low tax jurisdiction that should be considered unacceptable to the international community.” ……

      More information here https://thestandard.org.nz/open
      mike-15092017/#comment-1384384

  2. Andre says:

    This is a cop out. How dare they retain the status quo for another 3 years?
    Vote Green.

    • roy cartland says:

      Fuck yes. They zigged when they should have zagged. I have a horrible feeling this has just cost Labour the election.

    • Richard Christie says:

      Agreed, Andre.
      Not noted for their spine, the NZ Labour Party.

      • Barry says:

        What will return National as the government is New Zealander’s greed .I feel my children would better off in Aussie even as second class residents.

  3. Im right says:

    Jacinta with egg on her face, Robertson has came out with this because of the debate tonight….only a day or two ago she was steering the Labour ship full steam ahead! Once again the Robertson factor (iceberg?) has left a labour leader scrambling to save face….Im a National voter, but the sooner Labour ditch this snake in the grass from its ranks will be a day too soon!!

    • Sam Sam says:

      Only one crying seems to be Bill English.

      • CLEANGREEN says:

        100%

        See; this is to ‘imright’ you are wrong again ha ha ha.

        Jacinda beat you again see, so what hairbrained new angle will you cook up now?

        Another $11 billion hole?

        Give up we wont lock you up or send you to a salt mine.

        Do you know how to swim?

        @ilovejacinda.

        • Im right says:

          3 more years in opposition Cleangreen…get used to it! 🙂 at your age you may not see another Labour Govt!

          • Red Buzzard says:

            surprise for you!….Jacinda and co in her red sports car
            have backed off the bridge fast…and will now proceed to beat the wobbling runaway NACT truck… with driver Blinglish desperately trying bribery at every turn

            CLEANGREEN will be celebrating very SOON!

          • Sam Sam says:

            Hope you too realise red paint doesn’t make cars go fast and neither does it raise National in the polls.

          • CLEANGREEN says:

            IMRIGHT

            NO No No read the latest poll today from Coleman Brunton Nat’s 40 Labour 44!!!

            Greens 7%.

            Winston will go with labour too, so you are truly stuffed now.

            So you can now weep, as you go pack your bags!

            And turn off the lights & lock the door as you leave for Siberia.

    • CLEANGREEN says:

      imright I see you here again trolling for National.

      Why dont you ask your boss Mr English if he will release the secret agreement his minister and your government agreed to last week/month when settling the introduction and signing of the TPPA11 and will he release this before the election?

      We need to know dont we?

  4. mosa says:

    This whole tax business was going to be a weapon to be used against Labour right from the start as it has for the last six years.

    Labour should have anticipated the attack after all it is the same old tactics that are rolled out every campaign.

    I don’t understand why they did not campaign like Key did over selling 49% of state assets without a mandate ( of sorts ) and apply that to any recommendation made by the tax working group and take that to the country in 2020 instead they have given their enemies a club to beat them with and take the focus off Nationals appalling record on poverty and corruption.

    Adern must take back the initiative quickly or find their lead evaporating and deliver the country three more years of this government.

  5. Red Buzzard says:

    personally i would have liked to have seen them tax the shit out of the very wealthy and foreign owners of New Zealand houses, property and land…as well as a water tax

  6. Jimc47 says:

    This is not true.
    The water tax and carbon tax stays and on the first of April the tax adjust that has been legislated by the greens NZ first and national will be removed by labour and so we will all be paying more tax than we would under national.

  7. Jimc47 says:

    This is not true.
    The water tax and carbon tax stays and on the first of April the tax adjust that has been legislated by the greens NZ first and national will be removed by labour and so we will all be paying more tax than we would under national.

  8. HC says:

    Riding high on a wave of Jacinda popularity within the infected near half of the population, the powers that be have taken a step and sent stern messages. They prefer the status quo, at least, the status quo.

    So they let their advocates National send out the messages, propagated by some in the media.

    New taxes, potential tax increases, any vague thought of such, oh NO, we cannot allow this!

    Confronted with that, Jacinda and her friend Grant have decided, do not rock the boat that much, better go with the flow.

    What does that tell us about the prospect of a progressive government? We may discuss taxes and other things, reforms where they may be needed, but to take action on this, there will be more hope than what can realistically be expected.

    • CLEANGREEN says:

      HC

      Any good planner knows when the time is right.

      Just ask Crosby Textor or even Winston; – he is the most experienced politician we have, it’s alll about timing!!

  9. Nick Morris says:

    Whatever works.

    The whole tax situation needs a shake up. Gareth Morgan is quite right: we also need to tax wealth. However, don’t kid yourselves. This is one BIG job. And it is entirely appropriate that it be put to the nation. And there is no way it will leave everyone untouched. The whole point is to slow developing dynasties. And make sure that there is some mechanism to avoid the concentration of wealth to a shrinking privileged circle.

    This kind of concentration is already happening and it should be resisted. But it can be resisted in a social way. The more things that are available without payment, the less money matters.

    In the meanwhile, to reduce rents and house prices there is something that has been put to one side. The 20,000 or more empty houses in Auckland.

    If you double or treble or more the rates on empty houses you will force extra housing onto the rental or sale market.

    If you ban house ownership by people who do not reside in New Zealand (giving as carve-out for Citizens and perhaps Australians), that would also force an increase of stocks. And capital gains are not so useful in a flat or falling price environment.

    These will both help while the affordable house construction gets underway.

  10. Aching4Change says:

    This effectively makes Labour impotent for the next three years if they win the election – what a bloody waste of time – people are hurting now – makes Labour look weak and muddled. This may well push progressives back to the Greens like it did for me today. Party vote Green.

  11. Marc says:

    Did Jacinda and Grant not watch this?

    https://rarbg.immunicity.media/torrent/hk5zv9u

    Cannot download it in NZ, it says, so why do we not get a free On Demand made available here? Or will it be shown again soon?

    At least some critique on stuff.co:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/96755666/housing-crisis-documentary-pulls-no-punches-on-eve-of-election

    That film report is a must watch, and anybody who watched it must realise, we cannot wait another three years to take firm action to stop this madness, of selling houses to each other, or even to off share ‘investors’.

  12. Nitrium Nitrium says:

    The sad (and I am genuinely sad) fact is that this should have been the policy all along so as not to “spook the electorate”. It’s just never a good look to create a “new” policy this close to the actual election. I think this election is now National’s to lose. The only small bonus this time is that National will likely have to govern with Winston which will be “fun” to watch (in a train wreck sort of way).

    • Red Buzzard says:

      Winston will NEVER go with Nactional!

      …and which Party did the detective work and spilt the beans on Nactional’s Chinese spy teacher MP?

      NZF

      • Winston will NEVER go with Nactional!

        And when he does, RB?

        Your user-name will disappear and you’ll return as another anonymous poster. No responsibility. No apology.

        You’ll pardon me if I’m a tad skeptical at your reassurance of Winston’s intentions: I’ve already lived through one of his coalition decisions.

        • CLEANGREEN says:

          Frank,

          Winston spelled it all out during his NZ First Party confrerence in Auckland last month, when Corin Dann interviewed him outside the hall, when Corin asked him who he was going with???

          Check that clip to see;

          Winston clearly said he is guided by what the party decides so is not up to him Frank.

          Also to clarify who decides where NZ Fisrt goes with was also confirmed by the recent poll of NZ first members where it found 65% or 2/3rds want him to go with Labour not National is that clear now o/k.

          James Shaw said on TVNZ & RNZ this morning he was happy to work along with NZ irst in a labour lead Government.

          That should settle the issue now.

    • David Stone says:

      I agree this should have been the approach all along, but better late than never.
      A thorough look at the whole tax structure isn’t a silly idea, but expecting the whole electorate to enthusiastically accept whatever the working group came up with left no one out of the line of fire and was sure to create widespread anxiety. It had to either be left to the electorate to show their approval or otherwise, or else be kept a secret till after the election as in 1984.
      D J S

  13. Michal says:

    I think this is gutless and shameful. If we want top education, health, social welfare, housing then we have to be prepared to pay more tax. END OF STORY.

  14. Barry says:

    The taxes as announced by Labour will be applied, capital gains on speculative property is a must to have any form of carming effect on the residential property market. But fart tax, death duties and a number of taxes National have stated are to be introduced will not and have not been part of Labour’s policies.
    Really if we were to vote for what would be best for New Zealand and in particular our children and their children we should vote for TOP, the economic future for New Zealand is not sustainable without major changes to the taxation system.We won’t vote to increase our exposure to additional taxation and so the social conditions in New Zealand will continue to degrade,due to our self interest and greed.
    My chidren and grandchildren don’t deserve to inherit this burden.

  15. aom says:

    What’s the problem? All Labour has to do is make sure they and the Greens clean up then do a ‘ National’. As the senior partner, Labour would only have to make the changes then have Jacinda say, “The Greens made me do it!” After all, even two Greens is 100% more than the on ACT had for National to foist its Charter Schools on an unsuspecting public.

  16. Barry says:

    The taxes as announced by Labour will be applied, capital gains on speculative property is a must to have any form of carming effect on the residential property market. But fart tax, death duties and a number of taxes National have stated are to be introduced will not and have not been part of Labour’s policies.
    Really if we were to vote for what would be best for New Zealand and in particular our children and their children we should vote for TOP, the economic future for New Zealand is not sustainable without major changes to the taxation system.We won’t vote to increase our exposure to additional taxation and so the social conditions in New Zealand will continue to degrade,due to our self interest and greed.
    My chidren and grandchildren don’t deserve to inherit this burden.