Why Winston’s anti-Muslim rhetoric is so stupid

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Martyn Bradbury
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Who is the terrorist again?

Here he goes, Uncle Winston firing up over ‘the Muslims’…

Winston Peters tells Muslim communities, families to ‘clean house’

Peters told Parliament there was a tendency to minimise terror attacks as the act of self-radicalised, lone wolves.

“That needs to be completely re-thought in the West…we must ask, ‘how could people plan such terrible deeds but leave their friends, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters and spouses completely in the dark?’ Inevitably we will be told that the wider community knew nothing, and neither did friends or family,” Peters said.

“What is happening is that family, friends and confidants are choosing to turn the other cheek, are choosing silence, rather than to turn these monsters in. That may be the culture of Damascus, but it is not ours. It may be acceptable in Tripoli, but it most certainly is not acceptable in New Zealand.”

Peters said the “Islamic community” needed to “clean house” by “turning these monsters in”.

“It starts with their own families. For New Zealand, we must avoid the same politically correct trap that has allowed such communities apart to form. That is, it is we who must change, they say, as a society to accommodate the cultural practices and traditions of others.

“No longer. We must stop the slide as a people, as a culture in the West…before we see in this country, in a New Zealand locality, a repeat of these events.”

…now because poor old Labour desperately need to stay on Winston’s good side and because the Greens will get shafted with sweet bugger all in a Labour/NZ First minority Government if they criticise Winston, it looks like I’ll have to point out for the Left how fucking stupid Winston’s comments are.

First of all, let’s remind ourselves the US have killed 20 million in 37 countries since World War 2, so who is the real bloody terrorist here Winston?

Secondly, in the UK examples, many of these attackers had already been reported to the British Intelligence Services as extremists. To chide the Muslim community to do something they are already doing is a churlish cheap shot by Winston.

Thirdly, the largest group of victims from Islamic extremist terrorism are other Muslims! Attacking the community who bare the brunt of this violence is almost Trump-like in its stupidity.

Fourthly, there wouldn’t be a bloody ISIS if America hadn’t invaded Iraq under the false pretence of looking for weapons of mass destruction that didn’t exist, so if we are busy blaming anyone perhaps America’s foreign policy might deserve a mention.

Fifthly, Saudi bloody Arabia. Surely they are a bigger cause of extremism than Muslim migrants living in NZ?

All that said, will Winston’s anti-Muslim dog whistle play out well with the provincial National Party voters he’s trying to steal from Bill English?

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Christ yes!

This will go down as well as a a trust fund increase at a Young Nats ball.

This is just a taste of what Winston will unleash once we hit the election trail and it’s a reminder of just how difficult it’s going to be for Labour and the Greens to respond to Winston once he goes full throttle on the rhetoric.

Green activists, particularly on Twitter will demand their candidates speak out against Winston, but they could end up damaging their relationship with NZ First if they need to work with them post September.

Once it dawns on Pure Temple left activists that the Greens + Labour won’t equal 51%, they are going to go into anaphylactic shock and it will be a true test of the Broadchurch strategy Labour are attempting to use to replace the Government.

No wonder Winnie is grinning.

45 COMMENTS

  1. Green activists, particularly on Twitter will demand their candidates speak out against Winston

    Good. I want them to speak out against arseholes.

  2. Absolutely for sure the terrorist problem will not be solved without fully confronting the message in the cartoon above. But this does not in itself deny Winston’s arguments as they apply to the local present, it just explains their origins. The community from which the terrorists are being drawn can be just as easily identified by devastated country of origin as faith. They just happen to coincide.
    We have involved ourselves in the US wars of devastation, and we will be involved in the fallout ,but further pressure on the victim communities won’t help.
    Just as the” war on terror”has had the same effect as pouring petrol on a fire to douse it, so will persecution here stifle the incentive to turn in a friend or relative who’s mind you might hope to change. Turning them in would end that possibility.
    If and when Syria wins the war with extremists where it is a war. And Iraq cleans out the problem there. The mercenary army will dissipate into their origins and the hardcore principles will concentrate their efforts abroad.
    D J S

  3. Winston’s comments are a paragon of good sense – a necessary counter-balance to the moronic “Keep calm and carry on” right-on faux-liberal rhetoric, which is essentially Newspeak for “remain mindlessly passive in the face of terror, accept your fate meekly and ask no questions that might hurt someone’s feelings – such as where Islamists might be getting their ideas from – it couldn’t be from Islam itself could it? Good Heavens no! That would disprove our entire globalist multiculturalism-worshipping narrative!!”

    NZ First is now the only party with a significant point of opposition to the bourgeois establishment lackeys of globalisation, political correctness and neo-liberalism-lite. I’ve voted Labour every election since 1987, but from a working class perspective there’s just no appeal in today’s smugly supercilious, mythically caring, Guardian reading, Kale sandwich munching elites. The left has become regressive, dogmatic, conformist, humourless and authoritarian – traits which precisely characterised the right 40 years ago. It’s party vote Winnie and I won’t be the only one.

  4. What about NZ First “One rule for all”.
    Shouldn’t we all be dobbing in our family members for any kind of subversive thoughts?

  5. Thank you winston for clarifying things for me. Having been a left wing voter all my life, until the betrayal by douglas and his camp followers, and being of the belief that the labour party of today in no way resembles the party i once supported,i had been looking for a home for my vote. Curwen Rolinson’s blogs struck a chord with me,and i was in agreement with many of his thoughts. Having followed Winston on the wine box, i had respect for his work on that inquiry, but as a politician had never quite trusted him. Having been slowly coming around to maybe looking at nzf policies, the first problem was the possibility of jones the waka jumper (still hidden behind the seven veils) but this piece of dog whistle racism clinches it. I will not be voting nzf.

  6. Fifthly, Saudi bloody Arabia. Surely they are a bigger cause of extremism than Muslim migrants living in NZ?

    That one at least was relevant. Saudi Arabia is funding and promoting extremism (the Saudis call it “charitable works”) throughout the world’s Muslim communities, and ensuring as little of that poison makes it into NZ would be far more useful than harassing the Muslims who live here.

    Unfortunately, on the Saudis side they have fat wads of cash, and on NZ’s side we have politicians with the ethical standards of Murray “Fucking” McCully, so if there were a god we’d certainly need it to defend us.

    • Hah, they now have found a weak, smallish scape goat in Qatar, getting most GCC member state governments, also regimes with little or no democracy and questionable human rights records, on board, to isolate Qatar, the home also of Al Jazeera.

      Trump tweeted some support the other night, I note, so maybe he did some whispering into the Saudi King’s ears, to tell him, go after so and so, and go after so and so.

      While Al Jazeera is also somewhat biased on some matters, it is otherwise a useful media, but a thorn in the side of others in the region, who would love to do away with it, or have in censored even more.

      The Saudis and UAE leaders blaming Qatar for supporting terrorism, at the same time ISIS and Iran, that is a really bizarre claim. How would they be on good terms with Iran if they supported their worst enemy in the region, I wonder?

      Deflection is the tactic, I suppose, find a scape goat and carry on as usual, and be “friends” with The Donald at the same time, who does not give a damn whether heads get chopped off in Saudi, as long as they do otherwise do what serves the interests of Uncle Sam.

      • I think the other GCC countries are going with the bizarre “supporting terrorism” claim because listing the actual reasons they’re pissed off with Qatar would be embarrassing. Those reasons being:

        1. Al Jazeera is critical of the GCC countries’ monarchs (except Qatar’s, for obvious reasons).

        2. Qatar treats Iran as a foreign country rather than a mortal enemy and existential threat, so is letting the side down.

        3. Qatar also fails to treat the Muslim Brotherhood as an enemy organisation, which enrages the KSA government (the MB believes Saudi Arabia should have political parties and elections – the nerve!).

  7. Yes, it was ‘not a good look’, what came from Winston in Parliament on Tuesday, in his speech supporting a motion on the latest terror attack in London.

    But whatever he may rave on about, he is not losing in the polls, instead the Greens have lost two points, going by TV One’s latest poll:

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/national-hits-six-month-high-in-latest-poll-labour-fails-make-gains-green-party-slips

    While I continue to be careful with polls, this is NOT good, it shows the Memorandum of Understanding between Labour and Greens is not bringing much positive results, and whatever their position on the Budget and other matters, too few give them any trust and support, to form an alternative government.

    I blame Labours bland appearance, with little in policy, the Budget has been done and dusted, politically that is, so it is now the turn of Labour and Greens, to present convincing, exciting and good policy, to win over voters, but so far, no transmission, I note.

    NZ First will gain more, I think, Winston’s occasional rantings are meant to get some to support him, who may not support any other party, but he better be careful, not to pour too much more gasoline into the fire.

    Re immigration it is best to stay on an objective kind of message, and argue the economic and social issues associated with continued too high net immigration.

    Going the Trump way will not appeal to all that many Kiwis.

    But it may be his age, making him one from a generation, where racism was somewhat “normal”, that is the problem here.

  8. I’m not a Muslim.

    When the government started using them to extend their snooping powers I went to mosques to talk to them (respectfully). I found a range of people, many who I fundamentally disagreed with. But that was not the point. Talking and civility was the point. I think that as a result a respect developed between myself, a non-Muslim NZ citizen, and the people at the mosque I met and encountered. It seemed that way. In fact they seemed quite happy that I had come to ask questions politely.

    Of course, I made an appointment and did not barge in

    The common theme? They said they wished more NZrs would just come and talk to them if they had worries, concerns, or questions about Islam hardly anyone did, they said.

    Just call them up and say you are interest to know more about their faith and (many) various cultures before making blanket judgements.it’s so easy to do and it is welcomed.

      • Whoops, he does not only like his cigs, but also a bit of beer and more, so that may not go down too well then. Better head to the next RSA and rant on about immigrants and how they steal NZers of benefits and so forth.

  9. I think Winston is right. My comment wasn’t posted but in it I gave evidence why Muslims must be carefully scrutinized one reason being they are obliged by their “commandments” to spread Islam across the world by whatever means.

  10. While I strongly disagree with the words and tone Winston used in Parliament, I think he still has some valid concerns to raise, as we have serious challenges re immigration and what comes with it, that need to be honestly discussed and addressed in NZ, which they are not, for instance look at what the Turks get away with as immigrants in Germany:

    http://www.dw.com/en/thousands-of-pro-erdogan-protesters-rally-in-cologne/a-19439669

    https://www.rt.com/news/354087-cologne-germany-erdogan-rally/

    I stress, this is a a PC report on events, let me not quote non PC reports, and it was after all RT, mischievously reporting on this, to stir up anti Turkish sentiment in Germany, who reported more widely. This is serious stuff, we in NZ have not had such challenges yet, but we could well face such challenges, and need to think carefully, what kind of society do we want.

  12. I rather see this, a struggle of sorts:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vnTtSDwKtU

    Michael Joseph Savage was an Australian, yet Kiwis celebrate him as a fighter for their workers, where is the local Kiwi’s courage and fight for anything, I ask, I see and hear damned little about it in history, more fables. Damned COWARDS.

  14. I disagree with Winston, as he is not that smart, he should study a bit more before making comments:
    http://www.historyofjihad.org/

    That is a rather biased view, of course, but then again, we get presented a very biased view as it is, here in NZ.

    The minimum education is this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_of_Islamic_scholars_on_Jihad

    If you want to go full circle and analyse this, do this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zROslgktzHQ

    IS are waiting, in any case, as the west has NO credit anymore, whatever.

  21. “Fourthly, there wouldn’t be a bloody ISIS if America hadn’t invaded Iraq under the false pretence of looking for weapons of mass destruction that didn’t exist, so if we are busy blaming anyone perhaps America’s foreign policy might deserve a mention.”

    I hated the Iraq war too, but if you really think that either the founders or footsoldiers of ISIS only became extremists in response to adventurism, then I do suggest a closer look at their views. They may make Taqiyya of it here and there to fool the well meaning or radicalise young Islamic men who are rightly upset about it, but it’s not their primary motivator. They see themselves as simply finishing what was started long ago.

    • ISIS imo believe that they can win. If you look at the 3 great monotheism’s, Alah, Buhda, God. Then go down the list of church, temples or mosques and find CD’s that have replaced chour boys or the call to prayer. Overwhelming western churches contain CD’s. The problem is no one listens to CD’s anymore so it shouldn’t take very long to figure out why the muslim faith is more dominant and why Western faiths are stuck in a tar pit. Over to you CJ.

      • In it’s own way that’s a really nice illustration of the cultural dimension. But it helps that Christianity essentially tells you to worry more about the next world than this one, whereas with Islam, victories in this world will do well for you in the next. Additionally, half of what used to be Christendom is now the secular west, where spirituality isn’t important to us – we had secularism and the enlightenment period – and the rest got Islamized 500 years ago. Take the persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt for instance. They pre-date Islam by centuries, and I’m pretty sure they never invaded anyone. Their treatment is al the proof you need that simply not being a Muslim is the only ‘provocation’ a jihadist needs to wipe you out. The fallacy that the invasion of Saddam’s Baathist Socialist republic is what got the jihadists angry falls apart when one asks what role Coptic Egyptians or Swedish pensioners played in the removal of that secular dictatorship. Hell, I’d be very surprised if the Americans have killed more Iraqis than the militants by now.

  23. THEY TELL US THAT ISLAMIST TERROR IS THE MAIN THREAT BUT NOBODY TELLS UD ABOUT HOME “TERROR” THAT EVIDENTLY GOES ON, EVEN SOCCER RIOTS.

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