Why John Key and Patrick Gower just ‘don’t get it’ about the Panama Papers

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Patrick Gower is on TV telling everyone that there is ‘no king hit’ in the Panama Papers. That suggests an incredible miscomprehension by Mr Gower. The ‘king hit’ is that we are a Tax Haven, Gower’s inability to understand anything that can’t be splurged out in a 30 second sound bite is a limitation we shouldn’t allow cloud our vision of what the Panama Papers have shown us.

And what is it that they’ve shown us?

That we are a tax haven, and it’s a tax haven that John Key himself helped build.

Key personally intervened to change the law in 2010 that made the tax rate for foreign trusts zero.

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Key has on numerous occasions told the media he wants NZ to be the Switzerland of the Pacific.

Key was told at least 7 times our foreign trusts made us a tax haven.

Key’s personal lawyer, who also makes money from creating Foreign Trusts, contacted the Revenue Minister in 2014, used Key’s name to suggest there should be no planned IRD crackdown  and lo and behold there is no IRD crackdown.

Key then appoints a tax wonk to make some wonky jargon infused noise and get it out of the headlines.

Gower doesn’t get it because Gower is only good at chasing cars, even when those cars are parked.

Key doesn’t get it for a different reason.

He’s a money trader who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. The indignant outrage many NZers who face annual torture from the IRD feel watching the rich and powerful simply walk away from the social contract is a rage Key doesn’t have the emotional intelligence to comprehend. For him it is completely rational that the rich simply arrange their affairs to escape the scrutiny or tax liability everyone else is forced to rigidly comply with.

That’s why Key has been so flat footed on this and always ends up completely reversing the stance he’s taken in the morning by that afternoon. His gut tells him this is all fine, what are the plebs complaining about now.

It’s not the first time our PMs psychopathic inability to comprehend empathy and sympathy has raised its head. His stubborn malice to not lift the refugee quota. His utter inability to understand the offence taken for screaming Labour supported rapists. His toxic response to journalists, all suggest that this a man who isn’t weighed down by philosophy or ethics and is either surprised or furious when he encounters it.

What the Panama Papers show is that we are a tax haven and that Key has helped create the environment for us to be a fully fledged tax haven. The counter spin by those bitter media who weren’t granted the early access that TVNZ, RNZ + Nicky Hager were is remarkable.

Watch last nights Waatea 5th Estate to get a much fuller picture than is being provided by commercial media on this very important story.

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  1. This may be a question Frank can answer
    What is the time line for these things?
    Who set them up in the first place, was it Cullen?
    In no way do I want to be seen supporting Key … but??
    Or was it originally set up by whoever in the last National Govt?
    Just asking the question, who, when, where, and how?
    If the IRD wanted to look at the laws, they must have been setup already, when did that happen?

  2. UNBELIEVABLE, KEY MUST BE A DEAD MAN WALKING HE JUST DOESNT REALISE HE HAS NO SOUL, HEART OR CONCOIENCE AT ALL, BUT ACTS JUST LIKE AN ANDROID!!!!

    RNZ yesterday says;The Prime Minister has reiterated his view New Zealand is not a tax haven

    So Key doesn’t believe NZ is being sold as a tax haven even after the evidence showed the various companies here in NZ and elsewhere in glossy pamphlets were saying NZ was a safe place to keep secret funding company assets with low or no taxes????

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/panama-papers-full-database-revealing-thousands-of-secret-offshore-companies-published-1.2641012

    Panama Papers: Full database revealing thousands of secret offshore companies published

    Searchable database displays more than 200,000 entities from the Panama Papers
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    The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) tonight publishes a searchable database (https://offshoreleaks.icij.org) that strips away the secrecy of nearly 214,000 offshore entities created in 21 jurisdictions, from Nevada to Hong Kong and the British Virgin Islands.

    The data, part of the Panama Papers investigation, is the largest ever release of information about offshore companies and the people behind them. This includes, when available, the names of the real owners of those opaque structures.

    The database also displays information about more than 100,000 additional offshore entities the ICIJ had already disclosed in its 2013 Offshore Leaks investigation.

    Panama Papers database clearly implicates NZ as a tax Haven now!!!

    Key said this yesterday;
    New Zealand is the ‘wrong place to be secret’, John Key says

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/panama-papers/303380/nz-'wrong-place-to-be-secret'-pm

    10:28 pm on 9 May 2016

    Panama Papers NZ – The Prime Minister has reiterated his view New Zealand is not a tax haven when questioned about the latest Panama Papers revelations in Parliament today.

    • The Panama Papers underscore the fundamental injustices and inequalities created by the offshore system, media commentators and political leaders say.

      “When taxes are evaded, when state assets are taken and put into these havens, all of these things can have a tremendous negative effect on our mission to end poverty and boost prosperity,”

      These leaches are destroying our future and our children’s and we should punished them all and keep a file of those who protest against the rort of our country by these maggots.

      http://www.irishtimes.com/business/panama-papers-full-database-revealing-thousands-of-secret-offshore-companies-published-1.2641012

      The Prime Minister’s lawyer Ken Whitney had links to two of the companies connected to “Panama-based law firm Mossack Fonseca, one of the world’s top creators of hard-to-trace companies, trusts and foundations.”

    • I came to the same conclusion.

      Those left at MediaWorks(ForSome) seem to be bitter about having been left out of a special teamwork operation between TVNZ, RNZ and also Nicky Hager, with support from the ICIJ.

      Suddenly some info was made available to the publicly owned and public conscience defending Nicky Hager, which MediaWorks and TV3 had no access to.

      Oh, when Paddy gets angry, he does get angry and can be nasty.

      Hence his dismissive BS comments, in unison with Paul Henry.

      P.S.:

      How are you getting on with the Ombudsman, Frank?

      I know of people who are still left waiting and getting little help, even after the appointment of that new Chief Ombudsman.

  3. John Key is dragging us down into the moral and ethical gutter he lives in. And collectively the National Party and it’s supporter’s are comfortable with that.

    • @ XRAY … and FJK is comfortable with his lawyer and financial advisor, “highly ethical” Ken Whitney having close connections to Mossack Fonsecca!

      No doubt, it’s no probs there bro!

      We’ll see!

  4. More than the ditching of Campbell Live, more than the introduction of New shrub, more than the reality drivel, – it was Patrick Gower that drove me away from TV3. And keeps me away.

  5. I think John Key fits the description of a “sociopath” more than “psychopath”. The following definition is long but very apt.

    10 signs for spotting a sociopath

    #1) Sociopaths are charming. Sociopaths have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a “glow” about them that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction. They often appear to be sexy or have a strong sexual attraction. Not all sexy people are sociopaths, obviously, but watch out for over-the-top sexual appetites and weird fetishes.

    #2) Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. They tend to do bizarre, sometimes erratic things that most regular people wouldn’t do. They are unbound by normal social contracts. Their behavior often seems irrational or extremely risky.

    #3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others. This is why you will find many very “successful” sociopaths in high levels of government, in any nation.

    #4) Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time.

    #5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and “win” at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.

    #6) Sociopaths tend to be highly intelligent, but they use their brainpower to deceive others rather than empower them. Their high IQs often makes them dangerous. This is why many of the best-known serial killers who successfully evaded law enforcement were sociopaths.

    #7) Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don’t actually FEEL love in the way that you or I do.

    #8) Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running “stream of consciousness” monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic. They are expert storytellers and even poets.

    #9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

    #10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it!

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html#ixzz48C82eT34

  6. I think John Key fits the description of a “sociopath” more than “psychopath”. The following definition is long but very apt.

    10 signs for spotting a sociopath

    #1) Sociopaths are charming. Sociopaths have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a “glow” about them that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction. They often appear to be sexy or have a strong sexual attraction. Not all sexy people are sociopaths, obviously, but watch out for over-the-top sexual appetites and weird fetishes.

    #2) Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. They tend to do bizarre, sometimes erratic things that most regular people wouldn’t do. They are unbound by normal social contracts. Their behavior often seems irrational or extremely risky.

    #3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others. This is why you will find many very “successful” sociopaths in high levels of government, in any nation.

    #4) Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time.

    #5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and “win” at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.

    #6) Sociopaths tend to be highly intelligent, but they use their brainpower to deceive others rather than empower them. Their high IQs often makes them dangerous. This is why many of the best-known serial killers who successfully evaded law enforcement were sociopaths.

    #7) Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don’t actually FEEL love in the way that you or I do.

    #8) Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running “stream of consciousness” monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic. They are expert storytellers and even poets.

    #9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

    #10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it!

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html#ixzz48C82eT34

  7. There is no doubt that there will be some trusts that have been set up for illegal,purposes. However most operate quite legally and many Kiwis will have these. There are thousands and thousands of trusts used to protect people’s wealth. If I thought NZ was not a good place to have my money I would definitely have it elsewhere. As for damaging NZ’s business reputation I don’t think it will make a jot of difference. The way the world works these days corruption is not a factor in business, to the contrary, it is rife.

    • Oh … no doubt our domestic trusts are reasonably secure and above the board.

      And let us not forget that it was a result of the Winebox inquiry in part that helped to make them so. Even though it was found that NZ participants in the Cook Island scam were found to have not broken the law per se but to have operated ‘ unethically’ and in a ‘grey ‘ area.

      But that is not the current issue.

      It is the use of a system that vets these foreign trusts … declaring them as being taxed – by zero tax – that is partly the issue. This means that same money can be repatriated at the point of its original origin having been declared as having been ‘ taxed’.

      Secondly , it is the ability for criminal elements to take full advantage of the lack of transparency and inability for govt scrutiny ie: IRD to ascertain just who owns them , what the business is conducting ( if its legal or not ) and to use LTC’s /shell company’s to then move that cash on to a major bank – thus laundering the cash.

      And the onus is on the incumbent govt to ensure that there is adequate mechanisms to prevent illicit practice by trust manipulating. That is the issue here – that up until the Panama Papers had forced its hand – this govt turned a blind eye to the situation. Contributing to an estimated 18 Trillion in loss of revenues globally.

      These and other reasons are why the Australian Financial Review made mention of NZ’ foreign trust laws. As did the OECD… that this country appeared as if it was functioning as a tax haven.

    • Righton, it will indeed make a great deal of difference if New Zealand is seen to be party to tax havens and tax avoidance/evasion schemes. This is something you and others seem to be (deliberately?) overlooking.

      The difference between NZ and overseas trusts is that New Zealanders pay 33% tax on their Trust incomes. Foreign trusts pay nothing, they are zero-rated.

    • Righton, if those foreign trusts are so legitimate, why are they SECRET?????

      Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, isn’t that what you righties keep insisting???

      Seems to me that the reason those trusts are secret is because they have a hell of a lot to hide. Fairly bloody obvious, I would’ve thought!!

    • Righton; “As for damaging NZ’s business reputation I don’t think it will make a jot of difference.”

      Others disagree with you,

      “By the end of November last year the increased demand for New Zealand trusts had become huge. Among the various issues were the involvement of Ruben Goldberg Javkin who formerly headed Mexico’s Republic National Bank and who was reorganising his affairs through his NZ Midtown trust.

      As the AFR notes: New Zealand’s readiness not to tax foreign income of its 12,000-odd foreign trusts is not philanthropy. Its thriving trust sector does well enough out of the exchange from the fees it charges.

      The question, given the damage such controversies may inflict on New Zealand’s name and its reputation for probity and transparency, is whether the exchange is worth the cost.” http://www.lawfuel.com/newzealand/growing-tax-scandal-tarnishes-new-zealands-reputation/

  8. its embarrassing for a allegedly credible journo to even USE the phrase “king hit”

    whats next is the PM going to “bash” the criticism around this ?

  9. I don’t think RNZ gets it either after listening to yesterday’s and this morning’s programmes. They seem to be wallowing in and crowing about the fact that they are conducting an investigation into the Panama Papers along with Nicky Hager yet Kathryn Ryan – the all-singing, all-dancing patriotic cheerleader for NZ Inc was yesterday desperately trying to goal-keep for the NZ/National Government.This morning it was Andrew Little getting beaten up by Guyon Epsiner.

    • Well… you will be seeing more of this as media ‘jockeys for a position ‘ on this. Flip flops, he said – she said … as each tries to be seen on the right side of public opinion . Instead of calling it what it is . Tax evasion enabling by disassociation.

  10. Gower would have been spitting tacks that TV1, Radio NZ and Nicky Hager got together to do some real investigative journalism into the Panama Papers and decided to leave him completely out of it. No doubt he’s also feeling extremely threatened now that the main cheerleader for his garrulous tabloid style of journalism, Mark Weldon, has been given the boot from Mediaworks.

  11. We can already more or less wave the ‘Panama Papers’ good bye, dear friends, that is unless some new revelations will drag in New Zealand based trusts to direct criminal activity, that means tax evasion, money laundering or something of that kind.

    This will only be proved if any person administering such trusts here, or acting as an agent for any trust or law firms such as Mossack Fonsecca, has broken rules, or if persons that benefited or benefit from such a foreign owned, New Zealand based trust, are found guilty of a crime overseas, and thus also having misled the local parties involved.

    But as this is nothing New Zealand and the government has control over, there will be little consequences for Key and his gang.

    His “former lawyer” (now “consultant”) Whitney has apparently been involved with Mossack Fonsecca, at least indirectly, so that is something to follow.

    All else will not interest the MSM much, nor will it many in the public, I think.

    Having forced myself to watch TV One’s ‘breakfast’ and Paul Henry again this morning, I was shocked at the level of silliness, shallowness and triviality of stuff that was presented. And Paul Henry, together with Paddy Gower, have already dismissed the Panama Papers as largely being irrelevant to New Zealand, so there is nothing to see, just move on, is their message.

    A ‘King Hit’ is just the kind of nonsense the media mercenaries are looking for, as they have lost all resources, skills and capabilities to research complex stuff (which Nicky Hager still does), and the Panama Papers are simply complex and detailed information that needs a lot of time, effort and intelligence for anyone to work through.

    It is far easier to simply focus on traffic, the weather, crime, on at times beneficiary bashing, on entertainment, infotainment and the latest social media “trend”, and that is what they are back at doing.

    And as the unethical tax avoidance and wealth hiding is due to the existing, created and defended practices simply not considered being illegal, there is nothing the law enforcement agencies will bother doing. Last not least, they will not want to upset the rich and famous, and those from countries we do trade with, as leaving them alone will mean, business as usual.

    Key knows all this, so he will do a bit of face saving law changes, but damned little else. The trust industry and their clientele will adjust and learn, invent and use new methods and vehicles, and all will just carry on as it has for decades.

    • Well… I can see your pessimistic outlook ….as can a huge amount of New Zealanders but the fact remains ….

      If hypothetically ,… if even one of these un-monitored foreign trusts was found to be guilty of hiding a child pornography ring and human trafficking due to this govt’s oblique consent to secrecy , – which inhibited or otherwise hindered Interpol or the New Zealand Police from pressing charges and freezing assets and pecuniary gain from the proceeds of crime….

      Would the NZ public come out in full support of the incumbent govt?

      I think not.

      AND THIS…. is where ethics, values and morals ACTUALLY DO HAVE a part to play in deciding what govt we choose to have.

      And I know I have the backing of the majority of New Zealanders here.

      • I am afraid that with the largely useless media we now have, we would not even learn about such scandals, should they surface.

        Anything that may harm Key and the government is just too sensitive to report on, it seems, so most steer right away from critical reporting and commenting.

        By the way, when was there last news on the Panama Papers on our leading TV or radio news channels? It has become mighty silent over the last few days, and other topics are back in the forefront.

        Crime, drunkenness of youth, weather, sports and celeb news are the common fare, nothing too difficult and sensitive, easy to take and report on.

  12. donKEY created the tax haven conditions so he and his mates could use it to hide their wealth. Whether it is legal or not doesn’t change my view of him. HE IS A WHITE COLLAR CRIMINAL. His personal finances should be dragged into the public arena because he is a public figure who is in a position of trust. If he is shown to be honest I’ll be the first to apologise. If he is guilty them SEND HIM TO PRISON FOR CRIMES AGAINST NEW ZEALAND!!!

  13. Little has handled this appallingly, an absolute diddle, running down NZ for political gain only, when there is minimal substance to the allegations at best. Labour need a new leader desperately, we all want an effective opposition, not an absolute muppet in the role,what ever ones political views.

    • I see you are caving in to the pressure that is now coming to bear on whether this is an issue of either the right or left of New Zealand politics. It was only a matter of time that that pressure would force you right wing fanatical supporters of the Key led govt to concede and soften in a total about face…

      You have been outed.

      Without even a shot being fired in Keys direction.

      And in your chagrin and frustrated attempt’s to relegate this global Pandora’s box called the Panama Papers into a local issue in which you felt comfortable to vindicate and exploit in support of your idol John Key you have come adrift from public sentiment.

      I therefore put it to you and members of the NZ public this question :

      ………………………………………………………………………………………..

      1) How many of you would be comfortable in the fact that currently our foreign trust laws could potentially enable child pornography and human trafficking rings to flourish with total impunity and to continue to reap the benefits of their perverted industry unfettered from public scrutiny ?

      2) How many of you would be comfortable in the fact that Interpol or the NZ Police would be hampered in their attempts to bring charges because our current foreign trust laws did not disclose the true nature of the business or who the true directors of the trust were ?

      ………………………………………………………………………………………..

      Answer that in defense of your idol if you may. Try you utmost hardest. We invite you to.

      You may be certain that you cannot.

      And if even you try to use the defense of … ” but those situations haven’t been found to exist yet ”….

      You may be certain that the loopholes existing that were enabled by this Key led govt most certainly do exist for that scenario to be a reality.

      Your blind idol worship leaves us all cold.

      And you without answers or defense.

    • Dave, “Little has handled this appallingly, an absolute diddle, running down NZ for political gain only, when there is minimal substance to the allegations at best.”

      Nothing to see here, move along. Is that the best you can do, Dave? Especially when it seems that Key’s lawyer LIED when he reassured our dear leader that he had no connections to Mossack Fonseca??

      Contrary to your claims, there is quite a bit of substance to allegations, and they keep coming out every day. We may be in for an early election!!

  14. Mr Kenneth (aka “Ken”) Whitney, “lawyer”, “former lawyer” or “consultant” of one “Right Honourable John Key”:

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11634155

    LinkedIn information on the man:
    https://nz.linkedin.com/in/kenneth-whitney-b5956a3b

    “Experience

    Convenor
    Combined Community Trusts of New Zealand
    2013 – Present (3 years)

    Chair
    ASB Community Trust
    2011 – Present (5 years)

    Director
    Rothschild Trust New Zealand Limited
    April 2004 – Present (12 years 2 months)

    Executive Director
    Antipodes Trust Group Limited
    June 1993 – Present (23 years)

    As Executive Director of ATGL I manage all client introductions, service proposals, trust establishment, management, and distributions. I oversee investment policy, implementation and monitoring and management of staff to maintain accounts and report to clients.

    Partner
    Ross & Whitney
    January 1992 – Present (24 years 5 months)”

    “Summary

    My skills and expertise are in property and trust law generally but more recently focusing on trust management services for New Zealand and international clients. My skills are in finding solutions for clients that are cost effective and create long term value. I have specialist legal knowledge of trust law and am discreet, professional and of high integrity. I have good inter-personal skills and my business is primarily based on long term relationships. I am also fully conversant with portfolio investment theory and practice, being on a number of trustee investment committees for clients. I am also interested in philanthropy and am a trustee of two charitable trusts. I am a good strategic thinker and am good at managing people to get results and continuous improvement to best practice.”

    Todays revelation, after Mr Key claimed days ago, he (Whitney) had NO connections to Mossack Fonseca:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79801529/panama-papers-keys-former-lawyer-has-further-mossack-fonseca-links

    “Panama Papers: Latest Panama Papers revelations not troubling Key”

    “RNZ reported that John Key’s long-time lawyer Ken Whitney had links to two companies registered in the British Virgin Islands with Mossack Fonseca as their agent.

    Whitney was among a group of five law firms that lobbied then-Revenue Minister Todd McClay in 2014 against any foreign trust changes

    Whitney was a director of the Rothschild Trust (NZ) Limited, which was the owner and the director of two companies registered in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), Capewood Investments and Exchange Securities, that had Mossack Fonseca as their agent, RNZ reported.”

    What an “honourable man”!?

  15. So forgive me if I am a bit slow on this Panama Papers business but is John Key saying it is okay for New Zealand to be used to protect from taxes and safeguard the wealth accumulated by some the 1% while the 99% are left to either struggle or be glued to the work treadmill and pay taxes?
    Does John Key know how to spell the word integrity and has our media sunk so low that nothing in the dark grey area surprises it?

  16. I can recall,around 15 years ago talk of Auckland lawyers and accountants,who!s only clients where off shore and setting up dodgy accounts for the purpose of tax evasion.

    Evasion,is a excellent word for the purpose of what i and others understand as the truth,that N.Z.has been a safe unquestioning tax haven for the unscrupulous exploiter capitalist class,and of course the odd dictator.

    Evasion or Avoidance,one legal the other not,the latter is Key,and his capitalist cronies stance on this.N.z. is not a tax haven,it has legal binding agreements with our taxation structure,that allows off shore people and corporations, to set up non taxation money Trusts.

  17. I read this today:

    ‘Doe offers a general critique of secretive finance capitalism, and cites specifics from the Panama Papers showing that Mossack-Fonseca wasn’t just involved in helping the wealthy avoid taxes and starve countries of the treasure they needed to provide the most basic services — they also knowingly laundered money used by rich paedophiles to traffick in 13 year old sex slaves.

    Doe isn’t content to discuss their general grievances with corruption: in laser-focused specific detail, they cite policies and actions from specific governments and politicians (the UK Conservative party, David Cameron, NZ Prime Minister John Key, a few others) and how their hypocrisy motivated them to act.’

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44617.htm

    This matter is of global interest and the chattering of silly men like Patrick Gower are irrelevant.

  18. I guess it’s easy for you not to worry about all those children in other countries ‘going without’, John, – you’ve had plenty of practice at home. Hate to say it but – scum of the earth.

  19. Those who think Little did a good job with this clearly did not see his response to a question put to him on TV3 news last night. There is nothing to see here, and in 1 months time everyone will have forgotten about it anyway. What I do not understand is the left and its refusal to take on the serious issues, like the report on overseas people buying houses in NZ and its lack of proper fact gathering. An excellent story to pursue yet the left enter some wankfest about the Panama papers which are a dead duck. Get real, and do something that may actually help New Zealanders, and perhaps get a leader who can communicate.

    • Oh yeah, the Kiwis care about their homes and cars, and little else, perhaps also for the school their kids go to, but really not much else, that is true.

      While media all over the world take this more seriously, you are right, Kiwis simply do not care, whether rich and filthily rich hide there money here in NZ foreign owned trusts, they do also not care (in their majority) about refugees, whether they come from Syria or elsewhere, they do not care about human rights of NZers living in Australia, they do not really care much about climate change, or a US warship steaming into our port in November, they are really only concerned about getting their foot into the door to own their own home and ideally one extra one for “investment” for their retirement.

      Thank you for reminding us about the shallowness of too many in this little country where “revolution” is a word only understood in terms of a turning wheel on a car with a tyre on.

      Sleepy hobbits galore, that is what I conclude.

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