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  1. It occurred to me that the question wasn’t asked “should we remove the Union Jack from our flag?”

    https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/resources/flag-design-guidelines/

    I would answer “yes” of course, but this is a big assumption and shows how little the process was thought through.

    Oz has its own grassroots movement, which is a great way to build support (rather than a colouring competition to end up choosing from 60-75% fern options):
    http://www.ausflag.com.au/flags-submitted.asp

    And a pretty good alternate:
    http://www.goldenwattleflag.com/#introduction
    Simple, but clever and is rich with symbolism.

  2. Nice to see you back Frank.

    And talking about being frank…

    A good article that pretty much captures all the angles and dangles in this beastly affair. I’ve never read The Herald but I’m familiar with the kind of hogwash they peddle (mainly through TDB thanks very much) because it is very similar to many ‘authorised’ media attitudes.

    And wasn’t the reaction of the media to this result totally underwhelming. They steered clear of it almost as effectively as Dear Leader did. The only comments coming from the landed Tories such as Young. I suggest Young has some growing up to do…

    The sly shitty manner in which this abacus gnome Key distances himself from his failings makes me think he is the last person you want with you on patrol in Afghanistan or Iraq.

    Pretty soon some of the knobheads in the National Party are going to start noticing and wanting to do something about it.

    All over a flag for goodness’ sake…

  3. We are best to leave the flag debate to die as John Key will fasde away soon.

    He has lost his youthful so called “bloke” ways and is now appearing more terse and aggressive now.

    So the completion of his fall is imminent in the court of public opinion as he is tarnished, as the sharks appear circling.

    Judith Collins is appearing softer, and much more conciliatory as if to be vying for the job, and Steven “Goebbels” Joyce master of propaganda is now appearing more active also though still his very aggressive terse self as always.

  4. I completely lost faith in Audrey Young when a T.V. 3 piece crossed over a few seconds earlier than it should have and Key had his arm around Young and the smile of a Cheshire cat was all over her. I have never, since, seen a balanced piece of journalism from Young.
    She should be all over this tax haven story like a fly on sh…t but what do we get ” Clark UN candidacy will unite N.Z.” A fluff piece to divert attention away.
    Sadly her piece on Clark raises the question “why does N.Z need uniting?”
    Because National have created a two tier society, clearly.

  5. Maybe it is just how it looks on the website but:
    Is the union jack on the Australian flag slightly larger and slightly brighter than on the New Zealand flag?
    The NZ and Australian flags only look alike at a distance.
    If you get reasonably close it is easy to tell the difference.

  6. Brilliant essay, Frank. I’ve shared it on Twitter and Facebook.

    I voted to retain our current flag because without meaningful true constitutional reform, any new flag is without substance. It simply doesn’t represent anything.

    So well done for voicing our reservations.

  7. Well said, Frank. Can’t help wondering how much we’ll see of Dear Leader Jonkey for a while. Must’ve have been a bit of a blow to his delicate ego.
    Myself, I wouldn’t mind a flag change, but I didn’t like any of the so-called ‘proposals.’ My thinking during the- dare I say campaigning?-was something to the effect of ‘why don’t ww just take off the union jack, and double the size of the southern cross’.
    I do wonder, how many just didn’t put their say in . . .

  8. In the Opinion-Piece concerned, Audrey Young suggests “it should be easy for John Key to defend himself against inevitable criticism” on the flag process, clearly implying that most voters will accept his responses.

    For example, she tells us: “To those who say people should have been asked first if they wanted change” in the initial Referendum, Key’s perfectly reasonable response would be that this sort of Referendum question is unfair because it’s “biased toward change.”

    But is Young right when she argues that most of the public would cheerfully accept that kind of argument from Key ?

    Given that:
    – an April 2015 Herald-DigiPoll (ie The Herald’s very own Pollster) found that almost 80% of New Zealanders believed that the First Referendum should indeed ask if the public wants a flag change in the first place (and not proceed with a Second Referendum if the answer was No)
    – 66% of voters in the February 2016 UMR Poll (including 47% of Nats) agreed that the flag referendum has been a distraction and a waste of money
    – that all polls conducted over the months leading up to the Second Referendum suggested large majorities opposed to change
    and
    – a Feb 2014 Colmar Brunton found only 2% thought changing the flag was an important issue …
    … I suspect Audrey may be indulging in just a modicum of Wishful Thinking here.

    1. Quote at end of 2nd paragraph should read: “biased toward NO change”

      (correction to comment still in moderation)

      1. Ha-haaaaaa !!! I absolutely LOVE the fact that someone’s given me a downtick for my brief self-correction ! (+2 from 4) They clearly feel very strongly that I should have left the mistake as it was. Bless ’em.

  9. The outcome surprised me. I suspect a lot of the vote for the Lockwood flag was a political vote of the type Key and Audrey Yong were whining about. In reverse though. For Key, rather than for the flag.

    Perhaps a lot of people didn’t bother voting, as it seemed like a pretty forgone conclusion.

  10. Great article. Just one criticism (and it’s a cavil) Please, Daily Blog, get a copy editor!

  11. Instead of the Russian Federation flag vs the French, the Dutch flag is even more similar (it has the colours in the same order, but horizontal). So three flags there that look alike.

  12. That political cartoon pretty much sums up my POV on the whole thing. There are plenty of far more important things to be concerned about and talking about. It feels like the whole flag thing was orchestrated just to distract us from the real problems. No one can seriously think that changing our flag is really that important right now. It’s like talking about what color to paint your house while it’s burning down.

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