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    1. Apologies for reply delays. I’m on holiday and typing on a phone. Briefly- source and residency rules for tax need to be applied so tax is paid. At least on NZ income. This can be a challenge currently and it still has challenges but my reset makes this easier. See Part B for more

    2. I slightly misunderstood your point in my earlier reply. Foreign residents with property and voting rights is largely a red herring. The trend now is that actual individual people don’t own anything because a/several non-individual entities that they control, own their possessions. So there is nothing to tax to their name. This means they avoid high individual tax rates, etc. People puzzle over how to tax them but this citizens economy solution gets round this problem by following the money not the category of person.
      So Peter Theil, or any millionaire/billionaire, will have a massive shareholding in their company. But it will be held in the name of a trust or a company. So if that they sell a parcel of shares it will be taxed as income to that company or trust. If they change the shares from that entity to their personal name it will be taxed at that point as a disposal (no capital revenue distinction). So at least it will be taxed once.

      But once shares are in their name any dividends paid will be liable to tax at the high individual rates. However there is still the issue that they will still skate around the world avoiding tax as they will ensure they do become subject to the source and residency rules. This is where international tax agreements can play a part with sharing information. For example, an international agreement could be that a person with multiple passports will pay tax on their world income for a year based on the time they are in the passport country. You spend 3 months a year in NZ and you have a NZ passport, then they submit 3 months of their world income for that tax year here (on the assumption they have transferred assets into their private name). But even without an international agreement NZ could make these people subject to tax on this basis. It is a rule that may only apply to the super elites eg, millionaires or multimillionaires. That way we don’t have to track everybody. Yes, Mr Thiel might give up his NZ passport. If he does, then his entities that earn income in NZ from their taxable activities would be subject to the rules I have already outlined in my article. He would now pay tax.

  1. Three issues not covered but need thinking about.

    1- Depreciation for capital plant and equipment. Where does that sit in terms of wealth?
    2- Maori trusts. Are they lumped in with your religious trusts? Should Maori business owned by trusts pay the same rate as non Maori businesses? (Maori Authorities running a business pay 17.5% taxation.)
    3- Except for GST, state servants dont pay tax. With the increase in number of state servants, the tradeable sector has to work much harder to pay for the state servants. Would it not be better to drop taxation rates for the tradable sector and increase GST to say 30% so that state servants pay their fair share? Consumption taxation rather then income taxation? You rally against the concept but as state servant levels increase there must be a way to tax them equally to tradable sector workers and their employers.
    Without a functioning tradable sector you don’ have a state or state servants.

    This is after a quick read, going to spend a bit more time on it.

    Unfortunately all your proposals are taxation to increase state income. Would like to see a similar precis regarding state expenditure alternatives to reduce the taxation burden on the tradable sector.

    You would get more equitable wealth distribution if the state expenditure was better managed. You will find many many example of late.

    1. Should Maori business owned by trusts pay the same rate as non Maori businesses? (Maori Authorities running a business pay 17.5% taxation.)

      DEFINITELY I am fed up with the whole Trust culture. Imagine you have a very successful business ‘Sanitarium’ and you are a trust.

      The whole Trust model needs seriously reviewing. Much of it is a crock.

      1. Maori are the most disadvantaged ethnic group in NZ. It is fully appropriate that the tax rate for Maori trusts is low as their beneficiaries are low income.

    2. Depreciation as an expense would not be tax deductible. It would be done as a matter of course by the business to fund future replacement or repairs. It remains the same except no tax subsidy.
      Māori trusts tax rates are set by govt. As approx 90% of Maori have low income and as beneficiaries of trusts a low tax rate is absolutely appropriate. Perhaps one day when wealth accumulates for Maori the rates would change?

    3. State servants do pay personal tax. Government books are done from gross income as a liability.
      This reset will send the correct economic signals about efficiently using economic resources and not wasting them. It removes the economic favouring of large enterprises through tax advantages.

  2. I appreciate the tremendous effort made and time taken with this article. It was interesting to read.

    The reduction in GST would serve to make a fairer tax system, although GST is a major tax earner for the New Zealand government, and other countries have comparable or higher rates of GST.

    Tackling the issue of the missing billions in corporate tax in New Zealand; the method of companies creating, in essence, subsidiaries which they effectively control and loan money back to the parent company; and the tax avoidance by giant US companies of capital gains tax: all extremely good points.

    There’s so many alternative methods of bringing in tax revenue that simply haven’t been explored as thoroughly as possible. I view it as an ongoing duty for successive governments to establish Think Tank like Groups to determine how best to implement the better of these taxation policies; rather, though, we are lumbered with more of the same. A change from right to left means very little change to our taxation system and we’ve seen nothing implemented on a grand scale in that area for nigh on half a century.

    In New York City, there is a Mansion Tax applicable to the purchase of luxury residential property of two percent to the dollar for every dollar in excess of $1million. If we’d had that tax implemented in New Zealand prior to the 2010/2011 earthquakes, which would have been appropriate as there were more and more mansions being sold in the $3million to $4million range every year, then poverty would not have increased so much after the earthquakes, provided that the tax revenue was redistributed to the working and beneficiary classes.

    I’ve mooted the point on other political blogs that workers be able to claim depression on the main vehicle they use. Their employers are able to claim depreciation, rego, WoF, fuel costs, and service costs, on all cars, vans, tractors, trailers, and trucks that they own, yet often these vehicles are only used for a fraction of the time as private vehicles.

    There’s so much more to be said, so much more work to be done in this area, and so much more hearty debate. Thank you.

    1. Thank you. My article is not just about a more effective fairer way to collect tax for redistribution. But also about sending the correct signals on economic behaviour and growth.
      Tax orthodoxy and vested interests are the problem with think tanks.

  3. One of the characteristics of “income” that you have omitted is that its source is the value created by economic activity. Most economists and statisticians make a distinction between ” income”, and what the call “transfer payments”. Typical of the latter would be welfare payments which merely transfer income from a taxpayer to a beneficiary; but the term should should also include rent and interest since they create no new value but are simply a means of exploiting existing assets. They should not be tax deductible.

    Your treatment of tax “padding” is also somewhat deficient, since padding simply transfers the tax liability from the padder to the recipient. and therefore does not represent a loss of revenue by the government. The only time this is a problem is when private expenses are passed off as business expenses. This, however, is tax evasion which is a crime. The problem in this case, therefore, is not with the tax system but with our crime detection methods. Padding of course can create inefficiency, but that is not necessarily a problem.

    I don’t think much of your proposal for a 10% revenue tax since this would lead to duplication of tax. If company A sells $100 dollars worth of goods to company B it pays $10 tax on that sale. But company B must recover that $100 as part of of its own revenue if it wishes to avoid a loss; and in doing so will end up paying another $10 dollars tax on that particular expense. One could see this process being repeated many times, resulting in a very large amount of tax being paid on that one item.

    1. ps: “Tax padding” at he start of the second paragraph is a typo. I meant to say “expense padding”.

    2. A distinction of ‘income’ and ‘transfer payments’ is not necessary for this reset.
      Your comments on ‘Expense padding’ are only looking at tax. My central point is the negative incentives that are being sent to the overall economy. Micro economic behaviour of padding is undermining economic efficiency and the macro economic system in which business functions. Etc
      I make comments about tax duplication and how it would be minimised and how those effects are good for the economy. Current rules are shaping behaviour negatively. This reset reshapes them positively. Disposals are taxed because profit is being used for a purpose other than supply of a good or service and the quality of that supply. Or the driving down of the price which is supposed to be a function of competition.

      1. “A distinction of ‘income’ and ‘transfer payments’ is not necessary for this reset”
        The distinction is not necessary under current tax rules, only for statistical purposes. However, current rules could be changed to make transfer payments not subject to income tax. It may be desirable to charge rentier income at any rate under different rules.

        “Your comments on ‘Expense padding’ are only looking at tax.”
        The tax implications should not be overlooked as they are the major problem with your proposals. Your system makes the expense padding problem worse since it can also duplicate the tax on the padded expenses. I acknowledge, however, that padding leads to inefficiency.

        “I make comments about tax duplication and how it would be minimised and how those effects are good for the economy.”
        The point is to eliminate duplication altogether. The current system achieves that. Taxing revenue instead of income never can.

        “Current rules are shaping behaviour negatively.”
        The purpose of taxation is to divert a portion of gross domestic product to use by the state. (Subsidiary purposes such as inflation control and income distribution merely influence the rates of tax, and are not the main purpose, as some claim.) The current system ensures that each taxpayer pays an exact proportion of his income to the state for that purpose and that the state receives the exact amount it needs. Paying an exact proportion of his revenue does not achieve these ends.

        1. Income = revenue less expenses. That is what the taxpayer takes home at the completion of his economic activities, and that is what he should be taxed on, not his revenue as you are proposing. There are no ways to satisfactorily mitigate this.

          1. My article points out the economic problems with only taxing income after expenses. And Billionaires and many others aren’t paying tax because of the current principles you set out. Tax should be like any other cost and comes off gross income. The economic benefits outweigh any potential negatives.

  4. gerrit sounds like thought avoidance or at least a limited path for ideas. But interesting you say that state servants don’t pay ([income] tax. I wonder at that?

    1. State servants show tax payed shown in their payslips. However if we imagine a state servant on say 60K, the payslip will show a tax deductible of say 20K (just using round figures). Their actual income is 40K and that is all the money the state has to find in the tradable sector.

      Meaning the state does not take 60K from the tradable sector and pay it to the state servant and then claw back 20K. Effectively the state has an expenditure of 40K even though the state servant payslip shows 60K. Simply really. A state servant is an expenditure item, not an income item.

      “gerrit sounds like thought avoidance or at least a limited path for ideas.” You might need to explain that statement in more detail. Way over my level of comprehension and payscale. If you see alternative views not to your liking discuss them, don’t hide behind pithy non sense.

      1. You are bound to be challenged gerrit. I notice that you tend to be negative a lot, and backing is needed for such ideas, the thinking often seems to be set on criticism. Could you remind again of how we can get on a better footing for everyone for the future?

        1. We can get on a better footing by asking questions of suggestions to change any regime. If you think that is negative, your problem. However how about addressing the three issue I raised?

          How does one enable depreciation of plant and equipment in a wealth tax situation?
          How do you address the inequality in taxation depending upon the charitable trust status of the business owner?
          How does the state get a revenue stream for state servants?

          The overriding problem that the state has in addressing inequalities in the tax system is that it needs a vibrant tradable sector to generate income to pay taxes on for redistribution. Do you think we have a vibrant tradable sector currently?

          I guess you would be in favour of

          “A person who informs on another person over tax avoidance may get a percentage of any penalties. e.g. A beneficial owner in NZ has a series of companies and trusts in a tax haven that owns some properties in New Zealand. If they sell to anybody and try to avoid tax the purchaser is encouraged to inform New Zealand authorities. “

          1. I believe I answer your 3 questions above. Eg in this reset there is no depreciation for tax. But there would be for accounting, if it is done. Just like normal accounting. There is no need to enable depreciation, and this reset is not a wealth tax. It is a reset of ‘income tax’ to fix the negative economic signals being sent to the entire economy.
            Governments have been chasing a vibrant traceable sector for ages but the tax system as I show here is favouring the big and inefficient business.
            This reset will help deliver a more efficient and vibrant trading sector.
            The informing on others is just like informing on any criminal activity and rewards are often offered for information. It could also be seen like informing on beneficiaries which many people seem comfortable with. I don’t know where you sit in that but it is currently a fact of life.

      2. Income is, essentially, the value created from economic activity. You seem to be assuming that the activities of civil servants create no value.

        1. My point in a nutshell. State servants dont pay income tax no matter how much value they create (they do on paper but the state does not receive any revenue from them, it simply does not give the state servants extra money and then claw it back in tax). So the state has this problem; to many state servants and the burden on the tax paying tradable sector can become too large.

          Now you could argue that the state derives some form of benefit from state servants. How is that quantified (money in the coffers), how is that benefit distributed?

          Except for GST, the state derives no distributeable income from the expense of employing their servants.

          Now if that state servant is employed by a crown owned business entity, you could argue that the crown entity pays a dividend back to the state and that crown entities servants do pay income tax as the income for the crown entity is commercially gained from the tradable sector.

          So any state servant whose income is not derived from their employers operations in the tradable sector, does not pay income tax.

          To further compound the state servant issue is that the state operates without having to report a bottom line (unlike crown owned business entities where income minus expesses equals a bottom line). Meaning operational and employee efficiencies are never measured. State servants are an expense item on the state books, not an income generating force.

          Should we do away with state servants? No. Should we hold ministers and senior adminastrtors to account? Absolutely. How else can we prevent a $50M expense on a cycle bridge proposal if no one is held to account?

          I guess the question is how we can hold the state to account to be as miserly with the expenditure to administrate their activity. That would leave a lot of tradable sector tax money the help inequality.

          1. I’m pretty sure that civil servants’ gross incomes are included in national income statistics, not their nett incomes. This differs from beneficiaries, whose incomes would not be included at all. The receipts of civil servants and beneficiaries are treated as income so that the amounts can be added to any other income, that they may have earned, for the purposes of calculating their tax liabilities.

            It is assumed, rightly or wrongly, that civil servants create value, and that the salaries they receive are a measure of that value.

          2. Such a simple concept that as the state pays a state servant they do not account for their tax. Why give a state servant $60K from the state coffers and than claw back $20K in tax. The state has not made $20K in tax. It is a zero sum game.The state has only to account for $40K in expenses .

            Sure the state servant’s work adds value and their salaries reflect that. But the tax amount shown on their payslips does not add a single dolar to the state coffers.

          3. However, the civil servant’s income is still $60K because that is the measure of the value assumed to have been created from his efforts.

          4. Through tax the government gets approx 10% of the income generated in the NZ economy. But it delivers 30% of the NZ gross domestic product. That is more productive than the private sector.
            Therefore if govt collects more tax; more education, hospitals and infrastructure could be produced/supplied that would make it easier for the tradeable sector to function within. Public servants deliver the society in which the tradeable sector functions safely and securely. State salary is spent in the domestic economy to the benefit of the tradeable sector.
            Many societies around the world have low quality state employees and their tradeable sectors struggle with corruption, slow courts, and poor quality infrastructure like roads.

          5. “Through tax the government gets approx 10% of the income generated in the NZ economy. But it delivers 30% of the NZ gross domestic product. That is more productive than the private sector.”
            Even if that’s true it really has no relevance. what the government needs to recover, from the community, the costs of producing that 30%, the the actual 30%.

      3. In the government books there is an accounting cost of the gross amount. Just like in ordinary accounts. The same rules apply. But this is just a diversion and has no bearing on my article. You later put out a string of logic and I see the point you are making. But anyway it’s not accounting practice.

  5. Kudos for size. To do it justice, this is what I call, prime holiday reading/contemplation/learning….

    Thank you.

  6. Most of this enormous read leaves me with an uncomprehending headache. I still think that simply taxing the unimproved value of all land, Henry-George style, is likely to be the simplest and most effective extension of tax beyond taxing work to taxing wealth. It seems to me that tax has two purposes: 1, to redistribute buying power from rich to poor, and 2, to subdue inflation.
    I do, however, clearly understand and agree that the definition of ‘charity’ for tax exemption should be restricted to the alleviation of poverty, and should exclude the advancement of religion, culture, education, or any other purpose.
    And I entirely agree that GST is regressive, hurts the poor, and should be scrapped.
    Sadly, the Ardern-Robertson government, now into its fifth year, is proving itself just another instrument to preserve the rule of the rich. It is deaf and blind. Nothing will change.

    1. Sorry about the headache John. There is little point in extending to wealth taxes when income tax is so completely undermined that massive companies around the world are not paying tax. And income tax rules are used to undermine CGT taxes.
      This reset is the most effective to bring about the possibility of change. Not only does it collect tax more fairly, it changes tax economic signals away from encouraging mega monopolies and wasting economic resources. This resets’ main strength is in the economic changes it builds.

  7. Will have a proper look at Stephen Minto’s Report next week when my attention span for reading grows with less time online. After a quick scan, it looks full of interesting ideas, as did the WEAG Report on Welfare…

    With almost any alternate take from Social Credit to Sustainable agriculture, it takes political will and political grunt and support from a critical mass of people to make happen.

    1. Cool. These ideas are hard to convey as it is hard to gauge how familiar people are with the ideas.
      Tax redistribution is essential for society but as importantly, here I show the economic signals from the current tax principles are very negative and lead to monopoly capitalism. This reset will remove that negative anticompetitive trend. And send consistently positive signals to the entire economy.

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