Look.
Labour’ Incrementalism and neoliberal tinkering breaks my heart.
The Green’s middle class identity politics shtick is deeply alienating and drives male voters into the arms of the reactionary Right.
And the Māori Party’s bloshie defiance scares the bejesus out of white people.
But I just don’t care any more.
Labour, Greens and te Pati Māori on their worst days are 10 000 times better than this hateful, spiteful, hard right Government with their anti-Māori, anti-Treaty, anti-worker, anti-beneficiary, anti-disabled, anti-environment agenda where they strangle the common good for their donors interests.
The cruelty with which National, ACT and NZF use the power of Government to punish their enemies while benefiting their donors should be a screaming scandal!
The next election will be Old Zealand vs New Zealand.
Bernard Hickey makes the point from the latest polling data…
Old anti-vaxx men prefer the coalition. Young women don’t.
A majority of male voters (54%) supported the centre-right, whereas 58% of female voters supported the centre-left. Voters under 40 years old were more supportive of the centre-left at 57 percent, whereas over 60 year old voters are more supportive of the centre-right, at 60 percent.
…Old Zealand are boomer white culture-war males (The Chris Trotter’s of NuZilind) who thrash in fury at Trans, climate change, Māori, vaccines, the Treaty and are virulently pro Israel and Trump.
They voted against Māori Wards and love Wayne Brown.
They are culturally threatened, have property and are economically anxious.
They are driven by Social Media Hate algorithms.
They have power because they religiously vote to ensure their privilege.
The good news for New Zealand is that Old Zealand are a shrinking electorate.
Estimation for 2025 (or more recent)
If similar age proportions hold, then:
If 60+ voters are ~28-30% of the voter roll, and
Under-40 voters are ~35%,
then in a total roll of ~3.6 million enrolled voters (approx current size), you’d expect:
60+ voters ≈ ≈ 1.0 to 1.1 million
18-40 voters ≈ ≈ 1.25 million
(These are rough estimates: actual numbers will depend on enrolment rates, population growth, and changes in age composition.)
New Zealand is a greater voting block than Old Zealand and that is what we need to collectively focus upon as we move into the 2026 election.
We have the numerical supremacy and by sweet Jesus we need to step up to defeat Old Zealand.
The local elections are what happens when New Zealand turns away in disgust at a rigged electoral system that has been privatised to maximise profits.
Old Zealand is dying metaphorically and literally. New Zealand is the future.
Let’s make this a one term Government!
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Are we really that desperate?
Being better than the Gnats is how you get the kind of second rate crap we’ve had since the (mysteriously still unexecuted for treason) villain Roger Douglas.
Shape the fuck up you useless parties, unless you want our country to go down in literal flames.
Agree 100%.
This is no time for bullshit and incompetence.
But that’s what we have with this government now Rangi.
The point that Stuart (I believe) and me are making that 1000% better than absolute shite is not good enough.
And people shouldn’t tolerate that level of incompetence, even if it is better than the CuCs.
I get your point Rangi but that does not leave us with many options on who to vote for now does it.
I agree however we don’t know what we don’t know and we don’t know what a future Labour CoC and their policies will be. What we can all agree on is this government right here and right now is so appalling with it’s destructive policies, corrupt ministers and blatant disregard for the wellbeing of ALL New Zealanders, that they cannot and must not be allowed a continuation of the dismantling of our social structure. More people than ever before are leaving our shores, unemployment is promoted as a success and a low wage economy is boasted about behind closed doors. So yes I’d like to see a Labour government and see them at least reverse all the adverse policies this National CoC has created, of which there are many. That would be a good start.
Yes we are that desperate. Now is the time for all good .. to come to the aid of the nation. Forget about the Party being important, we are looking at a graph with the trend line below zero.
Time to sharpen the mind and choose the least bad till we can get a miracle change or a responsible and caring gummint that limits bad outcomes. Go for at least something that looks like a viable, political force that has a vision of happy busy NZs doing good, coping and improving, and working in a planned way to ‘shore up’ where we are failing (double meaning there!). We’ll get an ailing nation well and taking up folk dancing – the one where you weave round two circles, holding the opposites hand then letting go, turning and taking the next one; ensure we speak positively to street people with a bit of dosh, sausage roll etc., and cautiously to financiers and grinning real estate agents, and people selling bridges, space trip seats, drones, and fancy machines that’ll get out of bed for you, dress and feed you, and wind you up, ready to march off and do whatever to fill that deep honeypot you crave.
The Luxon Legacy= the worst government in 185 years.
Egotistical Amateurs do not make a good govt.
Opposition parties who cannot adapt and compromise to get consensus among themselves don’t make a good opposition. When do they think about being an effective opposition when they are so hung up on showing us who they are. We know enough thanks, about who they are.
What we want to know is, what they can do to stem the tide of disaster being foisted on us. We’re all being terrorised in one way or another by Luxon’s Loons. When is a coherent opposition going to shake themselves into life and grab the Loons by the throat, instead of the lazy, fragmented shambles they present at the moment.
I agree totally that Labour Greens and TPM are 1000 times better than the CuCs.
But that doesn’t mean they are any good.
According to the facts you provide, and applying a bit of logic, the left should all be voting Te Pati Maori if only because they scare the bejesus out of white folk who disproportionally support the CuCs.
Utu.
But the question is do we want to be burned incrementally or thrown straight into the fire. Perhaps the second option is the better as it will speed up the process of required radical change before the “elite” have all their protection structures in place to allow them to destroy any opposition to their control of the planet.
If they haven’t already.
Doesn’t matter what any of you lot do moving forward it is all going to be hideously expensive. Both public and private/foreign investment is unreliable. Whatever you lot do it’s going to necessarily be all pulling as one.
Yes, Corrupt Gnat we also have a very divisive government that rules mainly for the sorted, not good for our people.
In a perfect world we could vote for political parties that deliver exactly what we want.
We do not live in a perfect world.
We vote for the lesser of evils.
We can elect an imperfect government and keep prodding it to improve it and if a Labour,
Green, Te Pati Maori government wants to maintain power it must respond to our needs.
This, of course, relies on those voters, who most need to, turning out and voting intelligently and the opposition being more interested in governing than infighting……………To tell the truth, if we rely on the intelligence of voters and politicians, we are probably just fucked.
Yes, Stevie intelligence is important, but it is no good having intelligence when you have no integrity, and the lot we have in power lack the latter.
Civilization first. The NZ left subscribes to post modernist world views. That will destroy civilization. We can survive economic shocks, we are still a wealthy country, for now. We cannot survive the destruction of civilization. The western left core concerns are no longer about material and industrial progress. Regardless how bad the coalition is, they did not remove physics and chemistry from the science curriculum. If we don’t prioritize science in everything we do, that will be the end of first world status
Civilization involves looking after those who cannot look after themselves.
You say we are wealthy enough, for now. Will we lose so much by taking care of people who struggle. Or will they be more able to contribute to our wealth in future, if we look after them now.
The ‘western left core’ now realises that constant exploitation of all resources whether we need to or not, is what will destroy civilization.
I also pointed out somewhere that knowing science is good but what does the right-wing govt. do with that science.
Do they listen to people warning about climate change? They’re scientists after all. No, they listen to their rich exploitative friends who want more and the climate be damned. The right are the ones who will cause civilization to be destroyed, quicker, with their greed. We need sustainable industries not exploitative industries. Our material comfort will inevitably suffer.
Every true left cause in history, the Soviet Union, the PRC, realised that socialism had to have a material basis, and civilisation is built on material progress, and a strong scientific and materialist world view. If socialist countries cannot produce as much as capitalist countries, then socialism is not worth having. In 1917, Russia was a backward country. They then defeated the Nazi war machine and Sputnik in 1957, plus nuclear weapons. China a poor agrarian nation within 14 years of the PRC establishment exploded its first atomic weapon, and now is progressing leaps and bounds in infrastructure and high tech.
The key is material progress, so we can have world class infrastructure and technology and medicine, and that requires a strong materialist scientific outlook. Anything else is not worth having.
But you’re an absolute fuckwit who would struggle to define post-modernism AND civilization.
So not worth listening to…
It’s like asking us if we want dead rats or cold vomit for dinner.
And at least if it were for breakfast we’d have hope for something better later on in the day.
” Before enlightenment; chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment; chop wood, carry water. ”
We should make, indeed demand, that voting be made *compulsory. Both at national AND local levels.
Then? Oh boy! Then! We can get out the bleach and the scrubbing brushes.
You can be half arsed about washing your ball bags or Ver Jay-Jays. You can be half arsed about matching socks. You can be half arsed about checking the cars engine oil levels before a long drive but you can’t be half-arsed about voting. You have to vote. You must vote. There’s no half arsed way around that and the law must be strict about that.
There are writings here about nationals butt plug three way, there’s writings here also about the Left but what Left? There’s no fucking Left left. But don’t get over it. Let that sink in instead. There Is No Left left. Roger douglas saw to that when he wriggled out of old Labour’s arse hole and NOTHING has changed about that. Labour is STILL neoliberal and what’s most important to understand about that is that Old Labour was sabotaged by National, it’s national that’s in fact neoliberal, not that old Labour. Not until roger got a hold of it.
Proof? You want proof? Open your fucking eyes! Labour’s roger shat out ACT. Yes, it did! david Goose-step seymour is as neoliberal as they get. His sickly rhetoric is as dangerous as a lit match in a gun powder factory.
Here’s fucking why!
* https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/10/10/auckland-records-lowest-voter-turnout-for-local-elections/
Also:
https://www.thejuicemedia.com/
Before anything else political. We must vote to vote. We must make voting mandatory. Do what you like with virtually every other nuance that makes your lives livable, but you MUST vote. If you don’t ! It will be the private rich who will tailor make your money into their fortunes.
Sound familiar?
Well, there is always The Opportunities Party. One of the few parties with reasonable policy ideas in 2023. A party that understands the current economic model is shot.
Luxon has dealt with a 3 party coalition all 3 have vastly different outlook..Key had 2 very compliant parties…Hipkins is not a strong leader and will be very indecisive when making the hard calls putting the country in a poor situation
‘Hipkins is not a strong leader’.
Well WTF is Luxon? The man who can never answer a question or stop David Seymour from putting forward stupid bills that are going to fail anyway?
A strong leader? Do you want another Rob Muldoon again Trev?
Muldoon was a controlling socialist and I voted against him. It is the only time I have not voted National. I do not agree with all their aimes especially on the racial front but Labour has not been inspirational for a long time .
‘Labour has not been inspirational for a long time ‘.
And how do you suggest they be ‘inspirational’ Trevor?
I occasionally read posts on this blogsite. They are often humorous but seldom open minded. That’s something I suggest you consider if you want people to take them seriously.
Views expressed are often very black and white on this blogsite; as my grandmother used to say – “there is a difference between scratching your bum and tearing it to pieces”.
So which is it Phil?
Give me your honest opinion.
Is the Left scratching its bum, or tearing it to pieces?
‘Open minded’
Is that not just another word for afraid to commit?
As my grandmother used to say,’ sit on the fence for too long and you will get splinters in your arse.’
you can be too open? There are a lot of insects around now if you have mouth too open, too often you’re likely to catch a blowfly. As for being open-minded – there is an education theory which someone has dubbed the post-box one, where you slip slices of information through a narrow space,. That would do for post-schooling, provided the opening is kept clear so that a flow of regular information can be fed through and received considerately. Little garbage can get in that way.
It is hard to get a govt. out after just one term. Most New Zealand governments last two terms.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/20-06-2024/a-complete-history-of-new-zealands-one-term-governments
The whole country is watching to see if Labour, Greens and TPM can agree to make a real fight of it, and work together to get this current lot out.
Will we be disappointed?
Will an unsatisfied electorate stay away on polling day?
In 2026 without Left unity, Left Parties will farcically fight each other for diminishing votes on the sidelines, while the Right mock them for their inability to work together.
At a time when the Right-Wing parties have never been more united, Left disunity will pretty much guarantee another three years of this awful government.
They need to go because if they get in for another 3 years we are doomed, they will run roughshod over our democratic rights and say goodbye to the TOW and all things Maori. There will be carnage in the streets.
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