Chloe has stated her desire to lead the largest progressive movement to take power and do something meaningful with it.
To date the Greens have been perpetually played like chumps.
Labour didn’t need them in 2020, were played by them in 2017 and get played again by Helen Clark.
The Greens always get used for the numbers to get to 51% but rarely ever get any of the power with that.
The country needs an opposition who can fight as hard at negotiation time as you are having to fight just to get through the week.
There is a MMP strategy that Chloe should take a long hard look at – the Kākāriki Alliance.
Kākāriki Alliance
If Labour are forced to rule the Māori Party out of Cabinet because of Doc’s sectarianism, then there is a means to still use MMP to kick this Government out.
If Hone Harawira called for a Māori Party and Green Party hui at Waitangi 1st February next year to discuss a Political Alliance between te Parti Māori and the Greens, they could agree on a unified strategy in the Māori electorates.
Candidate vote Māori Party in the Māori electorates and Party vote Green in the Māori Electorates.
The wasted Māori Party vote gets picked up by the Greens, a Māori Party clean sweep of the electorates produces an overhang, but the most important part of the alliance would be the agreement of a united negotiating front with Labour.
This means even if Labour rule out the Māori Party in Cabinet, they still have to negotiate with them as a collective of the Greens which ensures NZF can’t play the Greens like they do every election.
Chance of The Kākāriki Alliance happening?
Chloe needs a strategy that is radical and can propel the Greens into a negotiating force. Cutting a deal with the Māori Party over the Māori Electorates would pick up wasted Māori Party vote while lifting the overhang and brings the negotiating muscle of John Tamihere.
For the Greens it is a radical strategy that is win win win.
The Greens won’t be as burnt by the association with Doc as Labour would.
This allows Labour to hold the centre, Greens and te Parti Māori work together to create a Government with a truly progressive economic transformation policy with Māori Party Ministers outside of Cabinet.
This anti-Treaty, anti-Māori, anti-worker, anti-renter, anti-disabled, anti-beneficiary, anti-environment Government must be stopped.
They are implementing voter suppression powers around special votes and are pushing an agenda that is ripping our communities to pieces.
Now is the time for radical strategies and alliances to beat the Right.
There are means and ways to use MMP that will win, we need leaders with the vision to do that.
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Green and brown for me .Time for a shake up and I can here my in laws screaming already as they are down the far right rabbit holes of act and NZ first while pretending not to be racist.I have asked on several occasions what they believe Maori have that they dont ? I am still waiting fir that reply .The same sorted mob also despise anyone who is not a millionaire at least ,say those that are not are just lazy bludgers ,even they need those same people to work in their business or to buy the shit they import and sell .
We cannot take Chloe seriously as a politician.
I mean she does not own a shitload of houses which she hides from public scrutiny.
She has no links to the Atlas Networks or other corporate interests.
She has not played on people’s racism.
She calls on members of parliament to take a stand on injustice.
She defied the Speaker of Parliament in all his pomposity and forced a vote that showed the complete lack of moral courage in National, ACT and NZ First.
The only points in her favour I can think of is that she laughed at my joke and she is making Gaby shit in her Zionist pants.
No.
The Greens lack the political acumen, marketing nous and savviness to deal with the media, win-over voters and secure the numbers required to lead the largest progressive movement
Nevertheless, they could possibly achieve the desired outcome in your very good plan above
Imagine claiming that the regime media bias towards anything even vaguely left-wing in New Zealand is just a ‘skill issue’. You are unbelievably retarded. You are clearly an idiot (IQ below 25).
Of course it requires skill to deal with the mainstream media bias. And the Greens have shown time and time again they don’t currently have it.
Just as it is clear Luxon also lacks media training. But doesn’t face as much bias.
She is a natural leader (and charismatic), but as long as she stays with the Greens (as opposed to Labour), I’d be extremely surprised if she ever becomes PM in my lifetime. Deputy PM (like Seymour or Winston) is very likely though.
Yes this is a great idea and Chloe is smart enough to see that. John is too. Ferris needs a good talking to by the leadership of the Maori party he is just one politician and is going to fuck it all up with his wild and frankly stupid talk. I wish Labour didn’t have Chippy for a leader he is obdurate and basically Luxon with more personality. Wow. That is not a compliment.
Ferris is the gift the right wing have been dreaming of… “Vote Chippy= get Ferris”
Well of course if anybody can unite so disparate a collection of political interests it’s Chloe, but it requires more than handling the egos of a squabbling bunch of parliamentarians, but presenting a package of values that appeals to a broader public. The ecological brand Greens to some extent own, which it inherited from Values, can, properly managed, yield a third of the electorate, but there are a variety of political cleavages that tend to break blocks of possible voters away.
These include treaty revisionism, immigration, the gender wars, and economic reform, the latter being surprisingly contentious given the manifest failure of the far-right austerity chamber of horrors that presently masquerades as our government. The difficulty lies in what form reform must take – contemporary media certainly are not advancing informed discussion of that issue, though the gotcha bullshit directed at Jacinda is less evident for the moment.
As has been noted elsewhere, we can expect a rise in Jacquerie, as corrupt ideologically driven clowns continue to rapidly degrade quality of life. This issue is by no means confined to NZ.
To square that particular circle would require a rather selective application of progressive principles, because the ruinous level of contemporary immigration needs to be curtailed, nevermind what fellows like Menendez imagine. Treaty issues need to reach a point amenable to substantial consensus, and our tax and economic settings need to be adjusted to produce public goods, of which our nation is presently impoverished.
I like Chloe, I think she’s one of our only MPs that shouldn’t be simply thrown out, but these are not inconsiderable challenges.
“To square that particular circle would require a rather selective application of progressive principles ….Treaty issues need to reach a point amenable to substantial consensus, and our tax and economic settings need to be adjusted to produce public goods…”
That’s a very astute summary. Some parts of the progressive ‘package’ are too electorally unpopular to achieve the outcome Martyn describes, so all elements of the progressive coalition would need to eat dead rats. The parts that will work are in the economic sphere as Stuart says – using the wealth the nation produces to deliver public goods (infrastructure, high-quality public services free at the point of use) and liveable incomes for all, rather than private luxury for a minority.
Yes – an astute and balanced comment Stuart. Some parts of the progressive ‘package’ are an electoral liability at the present time and would have to be neutralised. The bits that will work are in the economic domain – and redirecting the nation’s wealth towards public goods (infrastructure and high quality public services) and livable incomes for all is essential. We are now back into the age of ‘private luxury and public squalor’ and have to dig ourselves out of it. Once that is done, those other parts of the progressive package start to become much more feasible. It’s an enormously difficult task, which is why Labour shies away from making a really determined start on it.
Not sure that is Labour’s reason. They had the opportunity with massive political capital and they basically sat on their neo liberal hands and did fuck all, comparatively, to what this government has done with their agenda to almost completely screw things up, probably forever. Why is the left so pathetic world wide? Scream, hair pull, face plant, hole in the wall frustration.
Not sure that is Labour’s reason. They had the opportunity with massive political capital and they basically sat on their neo liberal hands and did fuck all, comparatively, to what this government has done with their agenda to almost completely screw things up, probably forever. Why is the left so pathetic world wide? Scream, hair pull, face plant, hole in the wall frustration.
For goodness sake, Chloe is clearly one of our most astute politicians, albeit still a bit ‘Green’. She is easily 100% better than anyone in this corrupt, lying, arrogant CoC. I have to ask who, with a brain, is actually still voting for them as everything they touch, or interfere, with turns to custard. Tell us one really significant thing this CoC has done. You need a reset. Luxon is a clown, Seymour a traitor, and Peters self-serving!
I cannot believe anyone who read the Green budget could think that it could be actioned without bankruptcy the country and it’s future.
Why? Are they giving away free money to landlords or unaffordable tax cuts 100s of millions on wasted ferry cancellations Trevor?
Willis is borrowing and spending more that Robertson was in the hight of the pandemic .
Go here and you will see why the Green budget wont bankrupt NZ.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/500655493302142/user/61577010996854
Why because it is using modern money theory.
Our people are hurting..
This current inhuman anti-Maori, anti-worker, anti-environment, pro-corporate government has to go.
Hone Harawira is Te Maori greatest living political Elder statesman. Nobody has fought harder for Maori, on university campus, on hikoi, on land occupations, on picket lines, in parliament.
Hone Harawira often says, what is good for Maori, is good for everyone. And I believe he’s right.
This is Hone Harawira speaking about the By-election race between Peeni Henare and Oriini Kaipara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWkjx2cxoU&t=9s
Hone Harawira @25:26 minutes:
The reality is that this government is focused on the destruction of Māori, absolute destruction of Māori whānau, Māori language, Māori kaupapa, Māori economic development, Māori environmental policies, Māori anything.
You can travel the whole world and feel proud of being Māori because everybody wants to see it, because it represents something of this country.
You come back here, you’ve got your Minister of Education trying to take Māori words out of the books. You’ve got the leader of New Zealand First wanting to take the name out of the passport.
You’ve got the leader of ACT trying to take Māori out of the bloody Treaty. And you’ve got the Prime Minister sitting in the background going clap, clap, clap through all of it.
So I don’t think it’s an issue about focusing on just one or two things.
Understand this:
This isn’t a general election.
This is a by-election for a Māori seat. So for me, what matters most is what’s most important to Māori. And what’s happening at the moment is the absolute destruction of the dream of Māori having value in Aotearoa. And unless somebody stands up and says, “No, we won’t allow you to push us back. No, we won’t allow you to push us, and keep us down. We will rise, and keep rising, and keep rising.”
And yeah, I get the cost of living. I get the housing thing. I get the unemployment thing. But would we have that problem under any one of these governments?
There has never been a government in the history of this country — not one — that has been so destructive of everything that is Māori. And that for me is the primary kaupapa facing Māori in this by-election, and in the general election when it comes up next year.
Claudette Hauiti @30:30 minutes:
….. to that really important point that Hone had made? You keep a people down by keeping them poor. So you’re fighting for your life and you’re keeping them poor. Part of colonisation, part of the genocide, is keep them poor, keep them unemployed, keep them uneducated, and then you can strip away all their cultural identity. And so we are trying to drive up our economic base so that we can reclaim our identity and our tino rangatiratanga……
Hone Haraweia @33:38 minutes:
I think what Claudette was saying has real meaning. You keep people poor and they struggle with life. And if you’re struggling with life, you don’t have time to consider your best options. You don’t.
A healthy people make healthy choices about their future.
People who are poor, are at home struggling to decide whether to spend what little money they have on a little bit more kai, or on the power bill, or on getting the tyre changed so you don’t get a ticket — all that kind of carry on. They’re constantly struggling in that space.
And our job within the Māori electoral environment should be to try to lift our people’s sight, lift their visions to a higher standard. Not just for everybody else, but for themselves — lift their vision for what’s important for them. The more we do that, the more we give them the opportunity to actually start to make major decisions.
Because we don’t just want them coming out every 3 years and voting for Te Pāti Māori. We want them to start to challenge themselves about the decisions they’re making at home.
I mean, crack is so bloody prevalent out in all of our communities that Mums are bloody doing it.
You know, the dealers are getting Mums to do it, because Mums need the money. And we’re not breaking through that. So I think we need to be focusing less on whether there’s parity in the pay packet right now and more about giving a sense of a vision that is achievable for Māori people in a Māori by-election. And the way to do that is not just to focus on the little things but to lift people’s vision for what they themselves can be in the days and the weeks and the months and the years going ahead, and what the possibilities could be for their children and their mokopuna…..
Hone Harawira @46:06 minutes:
Here’s the grim reality of Election 2026. Te Pāti Māori, Labour, and the Greens need to be sitting down in a room and working out how they’re going to work together at the 2026 election. That might mean Peeni not standing in Tāmaki, or whatever. Far be it for me to say, who, where and what.
But they need to sit down and work out what it’s going to take to maximise the number of seats they get into Parliament.
Because if they don’t do that. If they don’t work together, they’ll be living in Opposition for another three years. It’s as simple as that. And the more time they spend fighting against one another, even just for this by-election that’s coming up……
So thank you to the Greens for not standing. I wish Labour had relented on the command-and-control theory that they’ve always operated under, which is, “We know what’s best for Māori, so therefore, we stand in every seat.” They’ve got to start thinking more strategically, if they want Chippy to be the leader of the next government,
The only way it can happen is if they do that deal with the Greens, and they do that deal with Te Pāti Māori. Because if they don’t, all three of them are going to be back in Opposition.
Work together. Give yourselves the opportunity to possibly govern the country next year. And that takes long-term strategic planning. It means some people are going to have to stand back and say, “Well, I thought I could have…”
I mean, if I was voting, it’d be Peeni all day every day.
Peeni’s a great speaker from Tai Tokerau. We’ve travelled to the Kingitanga, and other hui. I’ve seen him speak at Waitangi and he’s a spectacularly good speaker when he’s focused on just being a Māori from Tai tokerau. So I say all those nice things about my brother Peeni. But I sincerely hope the people of Tāmaki give their vote to Orini, simply to maintain that station that Te Pāti Māori has, so that as they move forward towards 2026.
There’s an understanding that we can hold thi,s and if we work with the others, we can be part of a government in 2026.
So my whole view is: stop taking shots at one another, stop saying my policy is better than yours. Start understanding that strategically, there are either the three of them at the table or there’s nothing.
You know what policy they should all have?
I’ll tell you.
What the one policy they should have going into Election 2026, all three parties, and it’s this:
“We will repeal everything that this racist piece of shit government has initiated in our first 100 days.”
If they did that, they’d get votes from all over the place. All over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWkjx2cxoU&t=9s
Willie Jackson leaves the door open to working with Te Pati Māori
https://www.facebook.com/WillieJacksonLabour/posts/pfbid0YLLo31PPAPZ9Nfs7bec9bRHNX9siB1qBN4xUatWR3S89Dri8QUrHxoYMdxb7vGX6l
“….My entire political career has been about calling on Māori and Pakeha and everyone else who calls NZ home, to work together for the common good.
The Treaty is a relationship, and I believe that working together is the best way to build the mana of that relationship in a way that respects the dignity and well being of all those participating.
What Tākuta is arguing for however in his hurtful comments attacking migrant Kiwis and Pakeha for volunteering in our by-election campaign flies in the face of those values.
I understand what he is saying in terms of Maori being lost and just being seen as another ethnic group that’s something I have argued against my entire life…..
“…..Your identity as a Māori is not reduced because you work with everyone in our community to build bridges between other communities, it is strengthened by that engagement!.
All Tākuta has managed to do is hand our very worst political extremists on the Right the attack lines they need to paint Te Pati Māori as too extremist to ever work with the Labour Party to kick this Government out….
“…..We are far more powerful together than separately.
This is now a matter for Te Pati Māori leadership to fix , hopefully that can happen soon.
Make that man Prime Minister
Oh I so agree with you. Chippy is terrible he’ll ruin us all. Willy is such a standout politician and if he was PM he would go down in history as one of the greats I feel for sure. Why is he not the leader is so bloody obvious he is the one.
Chloe needs to seriously consider this:
https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/south-island-merits-committee-all-its-own
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