The 1% pay rise and the Government pretending all Teachers are on $140 000 (a tactic they also tried to smear Nurses with) is pitiful.
I believe we need a 15% pay rise across the board for all public servants, be they Nurses, Drs, Teachers, Police etc etc etc.
And on top of that baseline pay rise increase, we need to make conditions better.
We need to bind nurses, Drs, Police, Teachers – we will give them their education and training for free and in return they agree to be bonded for a set period inside the public service infrastructure.
We need a 4 day working week for them and subsidies accomodation for junior Teachers, Nurses, Police, Drs etc etc.
We need to make the work conditions for those who chose to work for the people good enough to stop losing workers to Australia.
We can’t pay them more, but let’s make the work conditions far better.
No one is paying our public servants the respect they require for the mana they perform.
Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
National, ACT and NZF don’t give a shit about the public service because they all pay for private, that’s why they are so focused on undermining Public Education, Public Health, Public Housing and Public Infrastructure.
Their focus is strangling the common good for their donors interests.
Teachers deserve 15% pay rise not 1%!
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This is the nastiest government ever of that there can be no argument whatsoever. The lies Willis has told on TV about the economy being great has got to be the most laughter I’ve had in many a year.
Bad timing as results come out showing the terrible state of literacy and numeracy in NZ schools.
Still, we have pride week and the Maori calendar every day.
All their fault or not, there is no groundswell of sympathy in the general public for teachers at this time.
You obviously haven’t read the other post about how Stanford is juking the stats.
It’s a National party trait you should be aware of.
And everyone I have encountered supports the teachers, apart from thickies who didn’t do well in school and still have a chip on their shoulder.
No groundswell? You truly are f***** in the head keep right wing carry on.
Yes, agree with you National are squeaky clean not just Nicoliars lies how she has manipulated the crown debt by not measuring it properly and giving it a change of name of course. She can still smile through her teeth while her policies are hurting many hard working and disadvantaged New Zealanders. Frankly I find her to be a cold-hearted bitch, and she believes her own spin. I also find it hard to stomach watching her when she is being interviewed, there is nothing nice about her. To make matters worse they (the CoC) use the divide and conquer tactics.
100000000% agree. There is no reason why the most important people in society (that actually make a society) should be paid so shitty and looked down upon. It’s especially outrageous when our glorious politicians gave themselves a much larger payrise.
Perhaps you could stump up and sponsor a teacher yourself Roxy, given how important you feel teachers are.
well the government already takes over a third of my income in primary and secondary tax so I’m happy for that money to be used to pay teachers more rather than some of the other BS they waste it on. I also pay school donations and give my time too, but thanks for your intelligent response.
Ok Mary Ann, now your turn to stump up but we know you do stump up for the National Party coffers, that’s why you’re on here trolling around.
I think Bob the first has morphed into Mary Anne Evans. Hey Bob you kept that quiet
You’ve made very good points. Apart from the very necessary pay increase, the suggestion of free education for teachers and nurses, in exchange for a bonded period, would be a return to the sanity of my time, when student teachers and nurses not only received their education for free, but in addition were paid to do so. The years spent in paid training were included as part of employment record, so effectively their first year in a teaching/nursing position was viewed, in my case, as the 4th year of my service after the three years of training. School houses were provided at nominal rents in hard to staff places eg Tokoroa, where a substantial proportion of teachers lived in education board housing – that’s why I moved there.
The subject of teacher holidays is a perennial bone that National governments chew away at. I spent nearly 40 years of my life either as a teacher or as a principal, and I can tell it’s ruinous on health. Without the scheduled term breaks, the breakdowns would be widespread. I used to tell my staff that the term breaks at the end of terms one, two and three, weren’t holidays. The first week or so was recovery time –I didn’t feel I’d come right until Monday or Tuesday of the second week, and then it was time to turn thoughts and energy into preparing for the coming term. The only real holiday was a four week period from mid December. Governments can try to remove the break entitlements but I know what will happen.
An oldie but still very valid – if teachers have it so easy then why is there a shortage? Surely if conditions are so good people would be queuing up to train as teachers?
The conditions can’t gave been that bad Allan, given the 40 years you spent in the education sector. You must have decided it was preferable to having a real job where you’d be accountable and didn’t have weeks off at a time throughout the year.
So you are saying that teaching children is not a real job? That preparing children for their future isn’t important? Would you like all schools to be closed then? I don’t think you applied any thinking processes to that reply.
“So you are saying that teaching children is not a real job? That preparing children for their future isn’t important? Would you like all schools to be closed then?”
None of the above, Allan. My point is that you are complaining about how difficult it was in a job you chose to spend 40 years in. Poor baby: it took until the second week of your frequent holiday periods to start to unwind properly! And even more horrifically for you, “the only real holiday was a four week period from mid December.” The trauma must be immense, Allan.
Well education never served you well did it Mary given that the word is have not gave, go back trolling whale oil, you’re not needed to here unless you have something worthwhile to add.
Did it ever cross your mind that Allan taught for 40 years because he enjoyed the job and was good at it?
No…
You show off your ignorant ass all the time Mary Ann. You think teachers get more annual leave than anyone else because the kids are on holiday?
What a fucking stupid thing to think, let alone spending the time composing and typing it, for all the world to see.
“Real job”? “Accountability”
Keep going, your ignorant talking points make you look like one of those maladjusted developmentally stunted children our talented teachers work with every day.
You’re so dumb you probably confuse pedagogy with podiatry.
It used to be common for people to choose a career and stay with it in their working life, looks like he started teaching in Tokoroa and became a principal at some time although we don’t know how many other schools and positions he held but it sounds like there was enough variety and challenge to keep the job interesting.
I guess that you prefer the born to rule types who spend their time finding ways to deprive their workers while moaning that nobody likes them.
The born to rule types only stay 2-5 years in their jobs too. They do so much damage in that time they have to leave or be kicked out.
It’s just a line on the CV or whatever the current name for it is. They have no real interest, no knowledge of the product or service, no real importance except in their own minds and no-one cares when they go.
I’d imagine people cried when Allan left his positions.
How about we look at our politicians pay and pay rises, and we look at all their perks including a very generous superannuation policy and Air NZ travel perks and what about all the days they don’t sit or have to attend their workplace.
That’s right. So, pointless comments from the usual suspects are immediately seen for what they are, mindless fluff. If they haven’t walked the talk, they needn’t bother commenting.
Traditionally there has been an unspoken agreement that if you’re an “essential front-line service” then you forego recourse to striking in return for not having to.
The HR industry has tossed that out the window creating a situation where raw industrial muscle is what counts. Everyone out!
I don’t think the question of a 15% pay increase can be challenged, but what about looking at it a different way and tie a teacher’s salary into a back bench MP’s salary as they do in Germany, where they are both the same.
So either a teacher gets a 180% increase or a backbench MP takes a 60% hit.
Either way brings some equity into play instead of the self serving politicians getting exponential pay increases even when children are starving on the streets.
“I believe we need a 15% pay rise across the board for all public servants, be they Nurses, Drs, Teachers, Police etc etc etc.”
Why not nake it 50%? It’s only taxpayer money, and we know that just grows on trees.
Well, the money tree did well for the landlords, tobacco industry and those very important people that got an 80% pay increase and how much did the politicians get and we can’t interfere in that cause their pay rises are set by an independent body. Speaking of independent, the Reserve bank muppets are not looking or sounding very independent at the moment, looks more like someone is pulling their strings, I wonder who that could be any guesses as to who.
It grows on trees for National Party donors and consultants, senior board members and anything National decides to throw money at but not the teachers who actually got them through school, you see you still don’t get it Mary and you never will.
Why not put your head down the toilet Maurice Arthur flush and clean your ears out. It is bad manners to enter a blog where people are discussing national problems and sneer and diss everybody. You don’t have anything of worth to add to the discourse. You might try outdoor bowls or petanque, they are quite healthy for older people whose blood is turning to vinegar.
Teachers are going to completely replaced by one on one AI technologies that instantly adapt to maximise student outcome in the next 5-10 years. Teachers should be happy to even have jobs even right now given that online teaching tools are already available that already provide better education outcomes than most teachers.
The future of teaching will be one uneducated person (a guard) to control a class of a 100+ when at school (which are and will continue to be “free” child day-care facilities for your kids anyway, let’s be honest).
You’ve been watching too much Star Trek. Nothing like this will happen in the next 5-10 years.
You have a very poor opinion of teachers. School is also a socialising institution so perhaps you ought not to have played hooky so much.
You and MAE, who seems to be scathing of everybody.
While the quality of teachers does vary that is about the only valid part of your comment. AI is only as good as whoever programmed it and is unlikely to be able to deal with the varying backgrounds of the students, it will work well for some probably the higher deciles although this government is likely to put good teachers with the higher deciles and give AI to lower deciles so that the gap in educational achievement increases.
There is still a lot of sympathy out there for our teachers. While as a country we might be a bit divided and what do you expect we have very divisive government, who tells lots of lies and spin. Teachers are undervalued its bloody hard teaching teenagers. I know I have done it before(relieving) and many of my best friends and mentors were teachers as was my mother. How much do we value education we have a government claiming they value education, and they claim it is going to provide better and more opportunities for our young people to get good paying jobs, yet they are not prepared to invest in our teachers. The same applies for ECE they also need good, qualified teachers as this is the children’s foundation learning, yet our government is trying to cut costs and dumb it down.
Teachers deserve a better pay deal than the one percent but any rise needs paying for so it has to be carefully worked out and it should be the most the government can afford not the least.
It would be good if all parties could come to together on payment to all government essential services like teachers ,medical personnel, police and armed forces . This would give all parties a chance to work on a plan to improve the end result and forward planning.
The funny thing is the tax payers have just spent nearly 3 billion dollars on new toys for defense. It appears there is always money for war. The funny part about this is the 2 old war horses making the announcement
Labour would have needed to spend a similar amount to appease our allies and bare in mind the helicopters and planes are used in search and rescue and when help is required in other Pacific Countries.
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