Government wants unemployed people to help with flood clean-up
The government plans to bring in jobseekers to help with the response to the recent flooding in Tasman and Marlborough.
Social Development Minister Louise Upston has announced the activation of an Enhanced Task Force Green.
This allows the use of funding for training, supplying, transporting and paying people on the Jobseeker benefit to help with the cleanup.
Upston said the work could include clearing debris and fencelines, as well as repairing buildings and waterways.
She said the programme would put jobseekers where they will be of most help to farmers and growers cleaning up their properties.
There is a late stage capitalism climate change game being played by the Political Right.
On one hand they tell you the voters that climate change is a socialist hoax, that it’s alarmism and that the solution is more cows, more cows and more cows. They fund Groundswell with Dark Ag Money and lie to you about the truth of climate change.
On the other hand they are panicking like fuck at the reality of the situation and how it utterly undermines the free market capitalism that has empowered them. That is the real reason behind the Treaty Principles Referendum, banning Māori wards and pushing the Regulatory Standards Bill.
It’s the reason they secretly decided to dump you all with cost of climate change events…
New Zealand climate report: Home owners face risks as buy-outs phase out, expert warns
…the Political Right know you aren’t so stupid that you will be led to the climate change abattoir, so they are ramming all these changes through before you all wake up.
Forcing beneficiaries to clean up the climate change storm damage caused by Farmers is a beautiful solution because people don’t care about beneficiaries and they point blank refuse to acknowledge Farmers have anything to do with climate change.
As the environmental carnage continues from Climate Change, the Government will move from forcing Beneficiaries to clean up and expand that to prisoners as well.
This way they never have to confront the truth that climate change that they have helped cause is here while channeling public anger against beneficiaries and prisoners as a sort of silver medal for right wing spite.
Yes, they have to barely acknowledge climate change, but on the bright side they get to force beneficiaries and prisoners to suffer.
This is what we is now, this is who we have become.
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I think this is a great idea and everyone after approx. 3 months on the dole should be doing some form of work if they want to continue receiving payments – it benefits those on the dole by getting them out into the community and feeling like they are contributing and it benefits the community as a whole.
Clearly there still needs to be time for them to look for (paid) work and attend interviews etc and the work has to be suitable (not dehumanising etc) and close to home.
IF you are so concerned why dont you go out and offer an unemployed person a full time job .I was having a conversation with my mechanic the other day on this topic .His take was they are just lazy and there are plenty of jobs out there .I suggested he approach on of the 3 local meat works and employ one of the 70 people they have just made redundant .His reply was cant do that dont have enough work .So I asked where I could go to find one of these hundreds of jobs that are not filled and employers are offering ,the answer ,I DONT KNOW .So his spiel is just national party bull shit spin .I will be changing my mechanic .
Good on you Gordon I would be too.
To be honest your mechanic will probably be relieved he doesn’t have listen to your high-minded bullshit anymore.
And everyone else will have to continue listening to your low browed dumbassery.
I’m not the one moaning about my mechanic.
But how do we make change if there isn’t some argy-bargy with people like the mechanic? Thinking this morning about family. I did decide not to say anything in reply or ‘You aren’t really thinking about their problems.’ Low key. Not enough but why should they take notice of family anyway.
James we will be relieved once this corrupt Government are voted out and we don’t have to listen to your high-minded bullshit anymore.
And I am sure your mechanic will be happy to see the back of you. And, why don’t you offer one of the 70 unemployed a job, a place to stay or some form of help instead of slagging your ex mechanic who has the hassles of running a business, looking after staff and contributing to the welfare of the country
I am now retired and over the last 50 years have done all of those things you suggested and have run 3 businesses and worked 60 hour weeks .I support local business where posable .My mechanic will be missing out on the servicing of 6 family vehicles and other related repairs and the other mechanic in the area will be getting all of that work .
James Brown, I agree.
This is a great idea and they should be grouped with others from their area and all travel in a bus provided, and paid the minimum wage with no break in other grants or payments and no retraction afterwards, and have food and hot drinks and gumboots and jeans and drytop provided (2 sets) one being washed/dried and one for present wearing. And given a ride to a laundromat so they can wash their dirty gear and get it dry, And there should be pizzas and chicken thighs and chips for dinner for each one and all their family. Give them the feeling that they are appreciated and are doing God’s work as well as the government’s in helping to clear up this awful mess that governments over the past 40 years have helped get us into.
We don’t have a capital gains tax on private homes, so it seems unfair to expect a capital gains guarantee on property that is destroyed by climate events. Perhaps if it were to restore the original cost price of the property, that might be a fairer option. This is a slippery slope and I can understand people wanting support when their major asset is destroyed although if the worst-case predictions happen, the government will not be able to afford to help everyone so other solutions will need to be found. A penalty tax on those undertaking property developments in unsuitable areas and contributing to climate pollution would be supported by me.
Those that can work should be pleased of the opportunity to pay back to the tax payers that are helping them survive .It may lead to a permanent position for some .
A reason to get up is good for mental health and hard work helps you sleep so it is a win for all .
I hope you are a working man also Trev. You seem to have plenty of time and plenty to say, and are sorted, so people like yourself should be pulling your weight mentoring if not actively helping with food bank, or such. All people of whatever adult age should be doing something, from their wheelchairs, or if in relatively capable dementia, telling stories – clean uplifting ones – to young schoolkids. The teenagers should be mentored into Council roles, and allowed to carry out projects at school that go through the procedures that councils would do. Get into practice now or all the old useless adults that have never developed their minds will be beset by dementia and desiring 24 hour care until they are 99. Song – Beatles When I’m 64.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUDRIC5RSX4
I was a hard working man until retirement and then I volunteered as a cook,at a food bank plus worked as a coordinator with Banardoes teaching home cooking .
Many of my generation do the same as me as we were brought up to look after ourselves and care for those around us .Somewhere in the years since then an attitude has grown that is more selfish which is a shame .
That’s good to know Trevor. Communities need people like you.
Yes they do good on ya Trev.
and 4 hours 30 minutes later….no response from grey warbler
Good on you Trevor.i mean that sincerely Shame you are a cheerleader for the wankers that are putting more people in these situations in the first place. Many of your generation in certain parts of the world had more opportunity to do what they wanted if they wanted to. That said your homeland has classic examples of your generation having things like Margret Thatcher happen. Hard working people who didn’t know anything else all of a sudden out of job with no transition even thought of. How caring!
No problem with your theory Trev yet better still, the government is responsible for policy that curbs the unemployment rate, right? They have increased it. So those on the benefit wanting employment can’t find it because like in Hamilton we have 400 people applying for one retail position. This government has created an economy and environment that has seen businesses got to the wall, cutting clinical health clinician positions and unemployment at over 5.1 %
The selfishness is one of this government, that much is certain, don’t go heaping blame on beneficiaries that are a by product of this CoC. Now, about those meatworkers and Kinleith workers without jobs and have worked there for many years, can you offer them solace and find them paid employment or will you remain selfish in your desire to send them out and mercilessly degrade them? That would be a shame.
If a council consents building on unsuitable land like known floodplains then they must take responsibility.
But the government can’t guarantee payouts to every homeowner who is affected by weather events.
Money would run out and people would buy properties in unsuitable areas knowing that they would be bailed out.
Presumably if a house gets red stickered after a weather event then there has to be a buyout. Maybe make EQC basic insurance compulsory and paid for through rates, and buyouts organised by EQC. The govts moral obligation, comes from its control over where houses are built, its control over the building code, and its control over greenhouse gas emmissions, and the fact that it is the govt. Govt stepping away from buyouts is govt stepping away from being govt. I’m all for the jobless helping in weather events and being paid minimum wage to do so, along with the army, and those living in the location of weather events can provide the necessary accomodation, so we all pull together to get through it. A far better uses of govt funds, than giving a $2.9 billion tax break to speculators.
Supplejack? Yes through rates for eqc. I would like to see the suitable houses available for rent for short periods/temporarily at quite low rates. And owners paid out from a fund to pay off the mortgage if reasonable amount. Can’t help the unwise would-bes if they could-bes. Red stickered paid out then the remains pulled down with second-hand dealer on hand – after owner has taken favourite memoribilia or whatever. None of that you can’t touch it because it has been paid out by whomever.
Why can’t these farmers take personal responsibility for their properties? They need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Why should my hard earned taxes be spent on people too lazy to help themselves and who didn’t protect their lands and don’t get me started on the Maaris and their lack of control of their water.
Farmers do more for this country than many do .The farm is their home and their business so there is no escape from the disaster when it happens . A dollar spent on helping a farmer has a return so I am happy for my dollars to be spent helping them than supporting a bloated public service.
Yes they have made the nitrate levels in my well about 10 times higher than it used to be 50 years ago, they profit from producing mostly milk powder while the rest of us in Canterbury get water that is approaching unsafe levels of nitrate. Privatize the profit and socialise the cost is a standard private sector practice but as long as the favoured few are making money then Trevor thinks it’s a good idea.
Actually I think Trevor is just feeding back the received truth that floats in the rarified air around the middle class sorted. Everything is as they believe it no probs. The rest of us just don’t understand and mill around dissatisfied as can’t get a place on the nice moving walkway that carries the class people away from us plebs, hoi polloi.
Bloated service? Provide evidence Trevor your rhetoric has gone on unhinged for far to long, you keep regurgitating Nationals party line. Meanwhile the public health sector is screaming, Doctors, nurses, allied health staff daily unable to do their jobs due to a catastrophic government approach. Yet landlords and tobacco companies get wonderful rebates.
Show me your evidence Trev, then remind me if we are so bloated and this Government are hellbent on cuts, why did Luxon allow for a salary increase to parliamentarians at a time where he bellows out fiscal responsibility?
https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/undoctored/physician-associates-not-answer-health-system-under-pressure
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523686/what-s-gone-wrong-with-new-zealand-s-health-system
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350477783/fears-critical-gp-services-could-be-lost-as-doctors-strain-under-pressure-workforce-shortage
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/527652/patient-harm-cannot-be-avoided-amid-chronic-understaffing-in-health-sector-emergency-doctor
So Trevor, fuck off with your “bloated” bullshit.
Awsome mate I love it Trev and Bob the fister will be foaming at that .
Gordon are you just a complainer?
Na mate he’s just intelligent.
Ennius are you a troll?
Don’t be a wanker killjoyker. If you have nothing worthwhile to say save energy, don’t bother us with your hogwash. We’ll make you clean it up yourself too.
Yes james the unemployed can clean up our farmers shit, and our farmers can get government money whenever there is any environmental problem, like a drought or flood. Yet farmers are a private business prone to risks. And they should have to manage their own risks as homeowners may have to. Many New Zealanders cannot afford to buy our farmers produce and this is not fair given the millions of dollars of government aide farmers receive and also the environmental damage farmers contribute to our waterways.
Too simplistic covid etc. ‘Now is the time for all good men/woe to come to the aid of the’… kiwifarmers.
But but but farmers are the backbone aren’t they and all should have lazy boys
The trades need work, hire them, it’s a free market. And train the unemployed with these essential skills so they can get off the dole
The last government did exactly that and had a pipeline of work for the next few years .This government slashed that pipeline and the new tradies have now gone to AUS where they are employed and paid 30% more because they are skilled .And the government paid all of their training costs ,the first 6 months of their wages ,and half of the second 6 months wages because no one wanted to take on apprentices .So now those employers who had those skilled people no longer have them so we will have to wait for this government to get the sack and do the same again .
More nonsense about how difficult it is to get people to work.
In the 1990s I ran an orchard contracting business in the Bay of Plenty when we had austerity policies and therefore many unemployed because the leopard does not change its spots, nor the National Party its bastardry.
I gave people employment in season and getting work out of them is not a problem if you lead from the front and listen to people(Napoleon; ‘there are no bad soldiers, only bad officers’).
Problems are mainly transport and accommodation and here orchardists, farmers and rural business people show themselves as the most miserly pack of robbers unhung.
People who have holiday homes in the Pacific islands and deep sea fishing launches, multiple houses in different locations, take long overseas holidays each year, gasp in shock and horror at the idea they should invest in their workforce.
As an example; in the mid-1980s Kiwifruit had record high prices on overseas markets and growers made huge profits. Te Puke was the “Kiwifruit Capital’ with more millionaires than any other town in Aotearoa.
At this time the Fruitgrowers Association pressured its members to keep wages at $4.50 an hour so some of the wealthiest people in the country paid the lowest wages and did nothing to help people travel long distances to work. People slept in vehicles, tents or ten to a room and used up their meagre wages travelling to and from work.
These are the same people who now complain that they do not have an experienced and skilled workforce because as soon as people get better jobs they flee to them. ‘None so blind as those who do not wish to see’.
Now to the moment: What is envisaged COULD be an opportunity to train young people in skills like using heavy machinery, restoring pasture and cropland, forestry, restoration of environmental damage to waterways. preventing land erosion. It COULD be a much needed breakthrough. It could be an opportunity.
Or it COULD provide slave labour to enrich land barons. Another opportunity wasted.
(Incidentially may I suggest people consult the works of George Rude, Eric Hobsbawm and our own James Belich? They all prove that forced labour from serfs, convicts and slaves is much inferior to that of well paid, skilled labour and is the real reason landowners abandoned slavery and serfdom as obselete)
Thanks stevie I will copy that and use the facts in it to answer some of those dreary people, some of my family, who come out with that set phrase about not wanting to work etc. It is so convenient for closing one’s mind to active thought. I wonder why and seeking answers from those who know would go a long way to restoring NZSAO to a better platform nearer to heaven than hell.
What water kiwijoker is that the water nobody owns but council issues permit for bottling water that nobody owns or is that the dirty water in our rivers and streams many Un swimmable and with algae toxins.
Heaven forbid it could be farming practices responsible.
They have had free student labour for over a week .
Seems all good as long as the jobs they are creating are going to pay $25-35 an hour net.
On social NZ history this is interesting from RadioNZ but seems unnecessarily stylish. Can we have more meat and potatoes and less cuisine minceur please in my bowl.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/rnz100-a-century-of-stories/story/2018988902/ep-6-wealth-and-work
Maybe we should make billionares clean up the flooded areas in order to keep their wealth instead
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