It has billions for tax cuts we can’t afford, but not less than 1% of GDP to end child poverty…
Louise Upston rejects official advice $3b a year needed to fix child poverty
The coalition government disagrees with advice provided by officials that $3 billion a year is needed to reach the country’s child poverty reduction target.
Minister for Child Poverty Reduction Louise Upston said the government was taking a different approach to the previous Labour government.
She told RNZ the government was focused on growing the economy, improving health and education outcomes, and getting more households into work to bring down child poverty, rather than welfare payments and tax credit changes, which she says were pursued by the previous Labour government.
Under that previous administration, a long-term goal of mid-2028 was set to reduce the number of children experiencing material hardship from 13.3 percent to 6 percent.
That target was announced by then-Child Poverty Reduction Minister Jacinda Ardern in 2018, and a shorter term goal of 9 percent was set for June this year.
A ministerial briefing from Treasury, released to RNZ, shows officials in April this year did not believe the poverty targets were “realistically achievable”.
Documents showed year-on-year progress was not on track and meeting the targets “would require investment in the region of $3 billion per year”.
Officials presented Upston with two alternative targets for 2028 that they believed could be achieved.
However, Upston told RNZ the government “disagreed with the advice and this approach, as it would further entrench long-term welfare dependency and the number of children growing up in benefit-dependent homes”.
…let’s be very clear, poverty is a political decision!
National argue they won’t spend this money to half Child Poverty because they will grow the economy, yet NZ specialises in ensuring those who benefit from economic growth don’t pay much tax…
NZโs lack of a capital gains tax means the richest here pay vastly less than elsewhere
New Zealandโs richest taxpayers are paying just a half to a third the tax rates paid by equivalently richest taxpayers in other developed countries, largely because we donโt have a capital gains tax and they do, fresh research shows.
…look at how degraded our social infrastructure to deal with poverty is…
Christchurch care and protection facility โchronically under-resourcedโ
- An Oranga Tamariki care and protection residence was โchronically under-resourcedโ and had a โpoorโ culture when it closed due to a series of allegations, an investigation found.
- A snap closure of the residence was announced following concerns โexcessive forceโ had been used against children.
- The findings include that the staff ratio on the floor was โinadequate and unsafeโ.
…we have millions for David Seymour’s vanity projects but we don’t have money to alleviate poverty???
If only this Government treated the people with the same aroha and affection they show cigarettes, guns and far right economic policy.
If the Left want to properly fund our social and physical infrastructure, they must tax the rich.
There are 14 Billionaires in NZ, and 3118 ultra-high net worth individuals worth $50million each, letโs start with them, then move onto the Banks, then the Property Speculators, the Climate Change polluters and big industry!
We need more Drs, more nurses, more teachers, more Police, more State houses, more infrastructure NOT LESS!
We need to debate for a bigger capacity State using the example Covid just gave us.
We need more Scientists, Drs, nurses, teachers, Police, more State houses and more infrastructure alongside policy that directly subsidises the cost of living like removing gst off food, free dental, free public transport, free food in schools and we will fund that extra increase through targeted new taxes to rebuild the capacity of the State.
The obviousness of our need for a Ministry of Works that actually builds shit is painfully clear to everyone by now.
Take Police in NZ, we have a pathetic 203 police per 100 000 NZers!
Compare that with 212 in England, 264 in Australia, 318 in Scotland, 349 in Germany, 422 in France, hell even Fiji at 227 has more Police per 100 000 than we do!
We donโt have the capacity to create a functioning State that lives up to our expectations in a liberal progressive democracy because we wonโt tax the rich to find that infrastructure!
Taxes aimed at speculators and the wealthy to fund services for the egalitarian country we want NZ to be.
Letโs have the courage to actually argue and win over our fellow citizens for solution based policy that actually builds the capacity to have the extra drs, nurses, firemen, police, and teachers.
Letโs champion policies that subsidise peopleโs cost of living by redistributing from the few to the many!
Bernard Hickey has argued, โWe could have gotten $200 billion in extra tax revenues if only there had been a fair tax system which meant that capital gains were taxed at the same rate as every other type of income.โ
In a liberal progressive democracy, it doesnโt matter what role you play in the complex super structure of our society and economy.
It doesnโt matter of you are a garbage collector, a dr, a nurse, a drain layer, teacher or tradie โ if you all stopped doing your jobs the system canโt work.
Everyone deserves to share the collective harvest of civil society with public services and policies focused on the public good enshrined in the intrinsic civil liberties each individual has.
Wealthy individuals who become mega rich thanks to the landscape generated by those values are required to pay more back into the system they have benefited from beyond the bare necessity of ruthless accountancy practices.
These rich pricks have designed the system for themselves, โyou canโt tax unrealised capital gainsโ the Right scream, like bullshit we canโt!
If it means the mega rich have to sell a mansion or two to pay the tax bill, so fucking be it!
The obligation of the Government is to regulate Capitalism so that we the people benefit from the competitive dynamics of competition!
Australiaโs top tax rate is 47cents!
Our GST rate doesnโt even get us into the top 50 and our corporate tax rate is 40th while Government spending against GDP ranks 56th!
And we are voted easiest to do business by the World Bank!
Total hours spent at work per year (OECD):
Germany- 1330
Denmark- 1346
Japan- 1598
Australia- 1683
Canada- 1644
UK- 1367
New Zealand- 1739
Iโm not looking for socialism here folks, just basic garden variety regulated capitalism!

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Yet another failure by a failed National Government.
Refuses to address poverty and science…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/huge-blow-gns-science-confirms-move-to-cut-10-of-its-workforce/BC7PJT7Q3NAUPLGTKTTCUUXTYY/
The worst government in history.
YES i SEE THEY SACKED A STACK OF SCIENCE PEOPLE TODAY .
Growing the economy will not help anyone except the rich and landlords .Not one kid will be lifted out of poverty by growing the economy for the top 10%.Over the last 40 years the economy has grown but so have the number of people living in poverty as we found when they were rounded up and moved into motels when covid struck .Until then we had very little idea of the enormity of the situation and the current government is now sweeping it under the collective carpet by throwing those people out onto the street again without giving a toss about where they end up .Trickle down is a myth proven time and time again in NZ .We have a gush upwards instead as more of our wealth ends up in fewer hands .I note the house ponzi scheme is starting to unravel as banks are now baulking at lending on new builds because they are now way too expensive and the urban sprall that Bishop wants is looking shaky .I noticed yesterday that very small sections in Te Awamutu are listed for over $500k and at $4000 a sqm to build hoses will be over $1.1million on completion which is plain stupid .Also of note one bank is predicting the growth of new arrivals will be zero next year so the government will have to find a new cash cow .The era of continual growth is about to end .
We have Seymour and Luxon saying less is more when it comes to government. Less tax is more economic activity. Essentially they are saying run the country without a plan. Who would give these clowns a job running a business (cook straight ferry). If government is for the people for everyone Fricken Luxon CEO is borrowing money and giving it to the competition the richpricks. That makes him a hostile director.
Forty years of neo-liberalism the country is richer in absolute terms but the percentage of people in poverty has increased and our per capita wealth has decreased compared to comparable countries. That’s policy failure.
The only politician trying to do anything about economic growth is Winston his poverty target is for unemployment to be at a level the Labour Minister can know all the unemployed by name. https://youtu.be/MMidKo8LVkU?feature=shared
Former BNZ director Rob Campbell calls poverty a feature of the neoliberalism system
“the demonstrated fact that most whฤnau experiencing poverty are not simply beneficiaries but many are, where able, employed. They will often be pushed into unemployment or deeper into precarity but they are not simply dependent on government spend. They get the pay the system offers and face the food, rent and other living costs which the system offers. Their poverty, to repeat, is not a bug in the system but a feature of it.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/why-would-the-government-gamble-on-an-outsider-when-it-comes-to-whanau-and-child-poverty-rob-campbell/D2LBOVGUQ5CCJIJ6GMR5J7GXAI/
Meanwhile corruption by stealth…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350428116/doctors-claim-nz-first-links-big-tobacco-during-heated-meeting-minister
Thatโs Cruella de.Upston for you refuses to answer questions getting fatter by the day on the tit of the taxpayers.โ Let them eat cakeโ comes to mind and just look what happened to the purveyor of this historic utterance.
National in just 11 months spent in Government making things catastrophically worse, undoing the brilliant work Labour implemented.
Please tell me the brilliant work that Labour did, bullshit!
I am on the left, we don’t really have a left party anymore, the Greens and Te Pati maori are the closest.
I get tired of comments suggesting Labour were marvellous, they were utterly gutless on many fronts including on taxes which appears to be their biggest problem.
You’re on the left ” bullshit “.
Ask the public sector and those struggling to find jobs under Labour compared to National in answer to your question. It’s not hard to find the positive if you choose to look.
Yes not imposing a CGT was a mistake but stopping free money to landlords was just one of the brilliant pieces of work.
NACT1st are as mean as Goat Shit when it comes to Social Issues and Outcomes IMHO.
Average prices in Japan $250-$425K their property market collapsed 40 years ago and never recovered. In Japan they build houses for people to live in, they are not speculative investments like here in NZ, which favour the well healed top end of town.
The only way the housing crisis will be fixed is if the government did an industrial scale State housing build. They could cut the price significantly by purchasing in bulk. But then neither of the two big parties have the stomach to do this. GUTLESS GUTLESS GUTLESS GOVERNMENTS THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR YEARS So we will go on and on having this problem because of course builders build for profits and sometimes they are fat and the cost of the materials has gone up and up.
With high priced, poor quality housing, inflated by a speculative housing market, and poor Government Housing Policies for the past 40-50 years.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350428873/christopher-luxons-chief-press-secretary-hamish-rutherford-resigning
They are dropping like flies and no longer want to be associated with the Coalition of chaos that has taken the country back decades.
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