There was a point a couple of years ago in ACTs rise that I asked David Seymour on The Working Group if he regretted selling out to the Gun Lobby after his successful Free Speech campaign had lifted ACT in the Polls.
He laughed and said no.
Thanks to middle class woke activists attacking free speech, ACT built their support from the culture war ammunition we kept providing them.
Free speech was the issue that triggered ACT into 2% and an extra MP meaning canny right wing voters could safely party vote ACT knowing there was more of a political pay off than just Seymour winning Epsom.
He had crossed that boundary using genuine political principle and I had a lot of fun teasing him that he could have grown ACT with dignity rather than selling out to the gun lobby who joined after the Free Speech fight and once ACT was a viable political vehicle and swamped ACT with their dark interests.
This means they are puppets to the Gun Fetish Lobby.
The manner in which the Police Association were utterly sidelined in the recent Gun review by Nicole McKee is extraordinary…
Police Association urges PM to strip gun reform portfolio off Nicole McKee
The Police Association wants responsibility for firearms reform taken off ACT Minister Nicole McKee, saying she’s a former gun lobbyist and has excluded police from consultation.
…SHE EVEN TRIED TO CENSOR THE POLICE VIEW!!!!!!
Look.
I grew up on a farm, there was a home kill shed across from my bedroom!
I am well aware of the reality of guns in rural NZ. I’m not an anti-gun liberal.
I have no beef with Farmers and Hunters having guns, they are tools and for the vast majority of Gun Owners, they are used carefully, but we need a gun register to ensure guns don’t fall into the hands of the criminal class, especially when they are arming themselves to protect against 501 stand over tactics in the ongoing meth war.
A gun lobbyist removing the gun register from the Police is so insane that it must be challenged and the Police Association has done that here!
Where the fuck does ACT, the party of freedom and small government, get off intellectually arguing they should micromanage beneficiaries and what they can spend money on, but pull a total blindspot over the owners of semiautomatic weapons?
ACT are totally beholden to the Gun Lobby, that’s the only reason Mckee got the spot she did on the Party list.
Seymour sold ACTs soul to the Gun Lobby and now has to dance to whatever tune they demand.
This ugly convergence of lobbyists and corporate consultants gaining access to NZ Parliament via ACT to implement policy for their Masters is sickening and continues to warp social policy away from the common good!
At some stage, Kiwis need to take a hard long look at themselves for the hard right climate denying racist beneficiary bashing Government they elected, all because a bitter post-Covid electorate hated Jacinda for having the temerity to save 20 000 lives during a once in a century pandemic.
Are you a puppet for civilian disarmament?
Whilst pushing a Police state?
You are delusional Erik. Why the hell do you keep posting as if firearms have been banned altogether?
That is the long term, have no doubt on that.
Nah. Just don’t want drive by shootings in sth auckland and hotel lobby shootings in central auckland and neighbor hood drug dealers carrying guns. Don’t want crazies having easy access to guns for terrorism and school shootings. Don’t want NZ americanized so some gun sellers can make profits. If youre not a deer culler, rabbit board shooter, pig hunter, farmer controlling possums and ducks you dont need a gun. Ban guns in cities.
Don’t worry about living in a police state. Every state is a police state.
Don’t want police interactions subject to the american mindset that every citizen is armed.
Funny, the Police always turn up armed around here, so I suspect they already make that assumption.
We can see why the police would turn up at your place armed.
They already do.
I’d certainly be in favor of civilian disarmament.
The exception could be for bonafide hunters, some farmers, and pest control contractors.
I see no reason other than the above for anyone else to have a gun. You could perhaps make a case for sporting gun clubs but I would suggest the clubs should own and be responsible for those guns. I know the elite sports gun people would want to own their own gun but in the interest of fairness why couldn’t they use the same system as that used for the Olympic field events. All weapons are pooled and you make your choice on the day from what is available.
And that’s why we can do without ignorance like yours involved in writing new laws.
Yet arrogance like yours goes unchecked and you are exactly the reason Labour improved the laws Erik Tarrant.
Labour destroyed our world class laws, it’s time to fix that.
I don’ think failure to consult the police union was an error. As long as the New Zealand Police is consulted the police have been heard.
These people will be happy when kids are being shot in schools and kids are toting guns instead of lunch .
Projection. No one is suggesting this.
Except you.
There is no place in civilian life for weapons designed to kill lots of people in a few seconds.
Fertilizer? Diesel? Nails?
LPG cylinders? Petrol? Flour?
AN is highly restricted and LPG is not useful for offensive purposes (the cylinders are more good for building crude mortars than bombs as such).
Of course you would know that
I’m not sure why’re you’re boasting about being completely ignorant of well known scientific facts. Aren’t you the one claiming firearms are just tools?
The fact that you support terrorism?
When have I ever supported terrorists, like supporters of the existence of ‘israel’?
Always.
300+ deaths on the road.
500+ deaths by suicide per year.
But it’s legally owned guns you’re worried about?
Verus almost zero deaths by LFOs.
Practically zero by LFOs.
What the f’k are you on about? So would suicidal thoughts kill 50+ in a couple of mosques?
Nah, that was extreme ‘counterjihad’ Muslim haters like Brenton Tarrant and Rob Berg.
And you’re worried about the bogeyman.
Stop being a wanker none of those examples are weapons designed specifically to kill humans.
No, but they are easily obtained & much more effective than an AR15.
Comparing flour, fertilizer, nails to an AR15 just confirms what a (prima facie dangerous) fuckwit you are. Or you are just shit stirring or just plain ignorant.
Guns are relatively ineffective at killing large numbers of people, explosives & fire are much more deadly than a single AR15. And they are easily accessible.
So it is both ignorance and shit stirring then.
You need to grow up…become a real man …instead of hiding behind a gun…
This is 2024…..You’re not in 1850 America now!
If it is 2024, then why do most here expect us to use firearms from the 1800s?
I am worried about the influence of Act and people like you who seem to have a fetish with having military weapons freely available in society.
I’m worried about the restrictive & dictatorial attitude of the Left, better lock them up for they hurt someone.
Don’t forget the number of cycling deaths and injuries being higher than firearms.
Bicycles kill and injure more people in NZ than guns.
What does the left say about them?
I’m happy to have a bike ban, scary annoying dangerous things.we don’t need them.
See how this works?
It’s really easy and really cowardly to ban other people’s freedoms.
Yeah I want the freedumb to drive a tank on SH1 whenever I like with live ammo and a rocket launcher.
Cars kill more you fuckwit and your stupidity is fully on show with your bike comment.
So you want cars banned now?
Why anyone would ask the unworldly Seymour’s opinion, or be even remotely interested in anything he has to say, is beyond me.
As the scale fall from people’s eyes, this billionare backed ignorant puppet will disappear into the ether in the not too distant future, and then it will be ..’Seymour who?’
Orgasm, nothing better than a warm gun.
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