In my experience, most NZ men don’t honestly have an opinion on what a women wears, unless you are a gay male, in which case you will have insights that are all well considered, clever and creative, but the vast majority of straight males in New Zealand are just so grateful a women is talking to them, they simply don’t have an opinion on what women wear.
Sure there are religious fuckwits, conservative moralists and Andrew Tate Bros, but outside of them, (and of course Gay Males with impeccable taste), Kiwi men don’t really have much of an opinion on what women wear, but I will tell you who does – other women!
Other women are monsters when it comes to ripping women to pieces over things they are wearing, and I’m all here for it.
Here’s a New Plymouth Mum shaming women for wearing string bikinis…
Dozens sign Taranaki mum’s petition to ban g-string bikinis at pool
A mother’s call to ban g-string bikinis being paraded at New Plymouth’s popular public pool has divided opinion across the city.
Amy Dixon, who has three sons, started a petition out of curiosity to see whether she was a prude or if other parents were also uncomfortable about having their children being exposed to skimpy swimwear.
Her campaign started after her eight-year-old son was exposed to some g-string wearers while he was at a swimming lesson.
“It was pornographic,” Dixon claimed.
“I don’t want to be an overprotective mum. Is that the space we’re in with society now? If so, I’ll find ways to prepare my kids for that. But do we have to do that?”
Dixon’s stance found favour with some patrons outside the aquatic centre on Monday who said they also did not want their children exposed to young women dressed in g-strings.
…now look.
I think that if you have the confidence to wear a string bikini, all power to you, what I love is that it’s a women attacking other women for wearing things, no men are complaining or cutting down women for wearing string bikinis, it’s other women.
This unlikely new face of the Taliban is a mother of 3 boys, and in the new world where every girl is told they will be raped and every boy told they will be accused of rape, mothers of sons are now freaking out about any situation where their boys can be accused of anything.
It’s a brave new world of sad old hates wrapped up in a new hashtag morality.
Sisters are doing it to themselves.
She is just a prudish Mary Whitehouse/Phyllis Schafly type who sees women in g-strings as jezebels and temptresses who want her seduce her angelic boys into a life of sin.
I feel sorry for her son’s girlfriends, wives and partners.
Oh of course you lecherous males are getting twitchy at not being able to see bare bottoms all over the place, but some of we cisgender women don’t particularly want to see them either. This New Plymouth mum has to explain to her three sons that bare-bummed girls aren’t necessarily giving them a bit of a come on – and that fitted g-strings aren’t quite as hygiene-friendly as a nice pair of French silk knickers are.
There’s often an innocence in young girls displaying themselves, and then when something untoward does happen to them, it’s the offending males who whine that she was dressed provocatively, and that she was asking for it, and that they’re the victims of some seductress Eve. This is a story as old as hills.
When you blokes become the mothers of boys, or the mothers of girls, then you may address this issue with a little more validity than you are entitled to now. It’s not an easy job, and trying to silence anyone concerned about societal issues is the prerogative of medieval churchmen and mullahs.
You’re making a huge assumption that the wearer of the g string bikini is enticing to those in view. That’s a massive assumption.
The fact that this woman calls a backside pornographic speaks volumes. Her kids may well have been oblivious had she not felt she had to prepare them for the world. Really? Talk about over dramatic.
Valid points Hollyhock , but near two decades of establishing an agency for boy and male victims and thousands of these victims too, I can absolutely say that women offend against boys too.
Both boys and girls as our sons and daughters are equally vulnerable. The long term life impacts are equally devastating for both.
When we use statistics to ‘ qualify ‘ who does what to whom most , we can dismiss fixing all of the harm.
Some years back Collins made a throw away comment along the lines off not giving a toss about male victims, hence justifying dodgy social investment and still there is old, limited, small sample invalid research used to throw millions away on.
I’vè listened to another MP face to face in recent month too, and man was she operating on an ancient myth to justify her funding too.
Fuck me !
And here we are, the child sex abuse industry is still thriving….
Hey millsy – I totally agree. Goodness me, would an 8-year-old boy really notice something like that.
youngsuffrajet. Little boys learn about bottoms at pre-school, where they are referred to as “ bums” or “ bum-bums” and told that no one else should touch theirs. So Granny’s friendly pat on a bottom is likely to earn a sharp rebuke of, “ MY bum-bum.” By primary school they’re taught that just because they have a penis it doesn’t mean they’re a boy.
So a girl in a g-string at the baths could be quite interesting to boys of any age. Add a navel piercing, and maybe a tattoo of the sort more and more girls are sporting now, and they’ll likely be noticing that too.
Actually, you’re out of touch what kids are exposed to at what age these days.
With older siblings, and total wild west internet hyperreality, the predominance of absurd youtubers and memes over anything real, the age of sexualisation of everything is a sinking lid.
Re- ” i feel sorry for her son’s girlfriends…,”
True story here Millsy.
Last week on a crowded, PUBLIC rural school bus, kids jam packed standing in the aisle, an older high school kid decided he’d get a laugh from his mates.
He proceeded to pelvic grind a 10 yr old girl , make orgasm sounds and kept making lewd remarks to this girl.
She was trapped all the way to school. Kids laughed.
Only one other kid said, ” Stop ( name *) , she’s a primary school girl !”
When the girl reached school she was able to get to her mobile and phoned her mum in real distress.
As a family we’re shocked that down the century nothings changed !
Aside from the sexual assault, doesn’t this scream , ” THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG, IN OUR FAMILIES/ SOCIETY? ”
A few weeks earlier was another high school where the males were ranking female students for ” f”#$k ability “.
Another high school in the media for rape jokes ????
Where does such entitlement come from ? Who speaks up ?
At least Amy was attempting to set some standards down.
OToole. Well said. But from what the New Plymouth lady has said, she also wants others’ opinions on this issue, and that is no reason to vilify her the way some are doing here.
Those horrible incidents you described are no reason to impose Afghanistan/Iran style dress standards.
She is just pissed off she is too fucken ugly to wear one .And seeing those other young ladies has reminded her of how far she has let her self go .
Come on Gordon, I read your great input often, but just for now can you reflect on what influences shaped your thinking to actually say this ?
Isn’t this longtime ingrained thinking part of the problem ?
For Gawd sake can you imagine what it will be like if one of her precious darlings engages in premarital sex or gets a girl pregnant?
For her boys sake and the any poor future daughter in law I hope her sons grow up to be fabulous, strong, proud, gay men.
I can’t help thinking children are used as the excuse for a lot of this. Adults can’t handle other adults/teens wearing something they don’t like so it’s all “but what about the children”.
Guess what an exposed buttock is not pornographic. Get a grip. I hardly think the children are going to be traumatised by seeing one. F’ing grow up. Or maybe don’t. That seems to be the problem.
Bring back full length bathing suits 1800s styles for fat people too.
If you knew what some folk do in public baths you’d be wearing full diving gear…
Yeah that’s right on. Full length bathing suits would probably be more fascinating rather than less – as Terry Pratchett writes for Moist Von Lipwig in ‘Making Money.’ Moist has a serious attraction in Adora, important but not a central character.
…Adora Belle Dearheart (a name that will surgically remove any woman’s sense of humor), is Moist’s sardonic love interest….
“The heels helped, of course, but Spike [Adora Belle] could move like a snake trying to sashay, and the severe, tight, and ostensibly modest dresses she wore left everything to the imagination, which is much more inflammatory than leaving nothing. Speculation is always more interesting than facts.”
…[Adora] The daughter of the inventor of the clacks system (a telegraph-ish method of communication using towers mounted with semaphore arms or, later, light boxes that flash a coded grid), Adora Belle has even more of a bone to pick with the post office’s main competition than Moist does. The current owners of the clacks swindled her family out of their property and worse….”https://fabricnfiction.wordpress.com/tag/terry-pratchett/
Terry had a clever and knowing mind and has made Moist a very sharp guy. Terry almost foretells the UK Post Office’s swindle on an unfortunate group of honest citizens in one of his books ‘Going Postal’ connected to ‘Making Money’ by Moist.
Fascinating link on costumes for some films.
https://www.whowearswho.com/3-of-my-favorite-quotes-from-terry-pratchetts-making-money
Martyn Bradbury endorses Siouxsie Wiles in a Wicked Weasel SHOCK
A thousand to one that she subscribes to some sort of Abrahamic religion.
Males dumping on women discussing how other women dress should butt out. It’s girl business.
Exactly.
Men feel sorry for her boys’ future girlfriends.
They wonder about the mother’s religion!
The mother is just jealous because she’s too ‘f-ing ugly to wear one’.
What idiotic over reactions from many people, possibly males.
A lot of people still need to learn how to behave properly, people at pools, on school buses and also on this site.
And we wonder why women are afraid to speak up about a lot of things.
Oh but Brigit we are all concerned for the children. Tell her leave her boys out of the issue then!
I take she will only accept female signatures on the petition then
In NZs good old days the authorities were known to venture onto beaches and measure the side of bikinis to ensure they weren’t sending the citizens nuclear. I found that the Italians could be very show-off on a beach at the foot of a hill, but once up and in the town it was a no-no to appear so meagrely clothed. Going into the sacred Catholic heart of St Peters Basilica, simple colonials were banned if women had their shoulders bare or had mini skirts, and men couldn’t wear shorts. Propriety had to be maintained. Personally I didn’t like the fat German men in bikinis and like a reasonable cover-up. After all some bodies are unattractive, the garments do a good job.
But women, who take no notice of what men think, are always inclined to adopt rather interesting garment fashions. Deep cleavage is in quite often, mini skirts just touching the bottom of the bottom, at present shorts in winter to same length. But men should know that women don’t care about their opinion! And surprisingly men seem to pamper themselves in the season and suitable for the occasion. That’s in general. At special occasions in winter, men will have be completely covered in a well-cut suit; women will have a beautifully made dress with bare shoulders and low frontage- even when there is a frost plus a dinky jacket or coat for outside that enhances the lovely dress. Hardy creatures women!
…The results show that both male and female observers primarily gaze at people’s face. Only after this initial face-scan, men look significantly earlier and longer at women’s breasts, while women look earlier at men’s legs.7 Oke 2011
Where Do Men and Women Look First When Eyeing the Opposite Sex?
Business Insider https://www.businessinsider.com › where-do-men-and-w…
Interesting studies tracking eye movements etc.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121130222243.htm
Men and women explore the visual world differently
and
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/scientists-prove-men-ogle-women-women/story?id=20749938
Scientists Prove It: Men Ogle Women, But So Do Women
New research shows both men, women look first at women’s bodies.
but
https://newsroom.unl.edu/announce/todayatunl/1469/8272
University of Nebraska–Lincoln
https://newsroom.unl.edu › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
In the study, participants were randomly presented with dozens of images of fully clothed, average-looking men and women. … women’s body parts better than …
Bad, bad males.
Understanding the Male Gaze and How It Objectifies Women
Verywell Mind
https://www.verywellmind.com › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
14 Mei 2024 — The male gaze describes a way of portraying and looking at women that empowers men while sexualizing and diminishing women…
It’s supposed to be a free world so let this lady have her say, I find many of the comments and some things in the articles offensive yet I respect people’s choices as we should respect this lady in her call for dress reform at the public swimming pool.
Well said Pip!
Katy Pai. I’ve not been in public baths since m-i-law spelt this out to me. However they’re still, theoretically, the safest place for children to learn to swim, and kids need to do this.
In my day, learning to swim was part of the primary school phys ed curriculum, and many schools had their own pools. Nowadays it’s deemed more important that children “learn” that they can choose their own gender, and may be trapped in the wrong bodies, and it’s mainly responsible parents who ensure that they get swimming lessons, and kudos to them for doing so.
I think she is just over Western “culture’s” over sexualisation of everything. The bikinis are innocent of themselves, but in the context of what kids are bombarded with, suddenly it becomes a concern and parents want some relief from it all.
Perhaps somehwere like Kabul or Riyadh is a more apporpriate place for her and her kids.
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