Oh shit.
We all feared Biden’s age would trip him up, but the manner of the debate with its mic cuts and zero audience only highlighted his age.
Biden looked dazed most of the debate while Trump danced.
It was a like a corpse trying to skip.
They ended up arguing over their Golf handicaps FFS.
It’s not what Biden said, it was the weak old way he said it.
He sounded out of breath most of the debate and he froze a couple of times.
He sounded confused at times and super defensive of his track record. His attacks on Trump sounded tired and he rarely landed a punch.
Trump on the other hand sounded like he believed himself and kept his cool. He looked calm and in control.
What Trump had to say was garbage and total revisionist bullshit but he came across far more rational than he ever usually is.
In America, the wrapper is more important than the content.
Biden was rational and his points true but it was presented in a weak way
Trump on the other hand was bullish and confident despite what he had to say being utterly false.
In America, the wrapper is more important than the content.
Biden will be judged to have lost
Trump will be judged to have won.
In America, the wrapper is more important than the content.
I believe a second term of Trump will be the worst thing to ever happen to America and the world.
The Democrats need to take a long hard look at themselves and demand to change the candidate.
Biden sounded out of breath the entire debate as if he was trying to outrun the Grim Reaper
Trump will win if Biden is the candidate.
They must replace him with Michelle Obama.
If Trump’s orange fascism wins, the American Midnight will begin for us all.
Well that was fucking depressing! CNN across all its outlets/BBC 1/24/World and various others
Hopefully NZ Labour will have been watching. Is Hipkins NZ’s Biden?
Nice bloke, good intentions – just not even near where we need to be going.
Cudda Shudda Wudda I guess, and more often than not, the turkey will vote for Xmas (even if they do claim victimhood when it turns to shit)
Is Hipkins NZ’s Biden?
The short answer; Yes. Except for the age difference the similarities in their political trajectories are striking.
Before they lost control of Congress to the Republicans, the Biden administration had control of both sides of the house and did nothing with it.
Similarly the Hipkins administration had the first ever single party control of parliament since MMP was introduced, and did nothing with it.1
In the debate with Trump Biden talked about all they could do with the money raised by taxing the rich. But when he had the power to do it, didn’t.
The same with Hipkins.
Hipkins and Biden have another thing in common, their ineffectiveness is handed power to the far right.
A significant portion of Biden’s 2020 voters made it clear for months they wouldn’t vote for him again if he kept funding Israel’s genocide, and even former Obama staffers like David Axelrod warned about his mental fitness.
And what do Biden and the DNC do? Plug their ears and sing Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life…
If Trump wins and implements Project 2025, it will be 100% Biden and the DNC’s fault!
I would hate to see Trump win but apart from the bias Supreme Court that effected abortions what damage did he do in his previous 4 years .
Ask the women he sexually violated Trevor, as proven in a court of law.
Fact checking showed Biden with 9 lies and Trump with 30.
What damage!!!? Jan 6th you fucking idiot!
he denigrated women and the disabled, amongst others. such a tough guy. america will burn when he starts mouthing off at citizens again. I suggest you read John Boltons book – Trump is basically still a child. my teenager loves him – lol. Still, the Democrats are shite for putting up Biden again. The US deserves what it gets.
He was basically George Bush with mean tweetss, but this time I’m worried about Project 2025
He egged on police brutality against blacks, and tried to allow Christians to force their religion on others.
So Trump « tried to allow Christians to force their religion on others«. I don’t know what that means and I don’t think you do either.
The guy wanted to make it legal for Christians to refuse service to people like LGBT’s, umarried couples/mothers, atheists, scientists, people who are sexually liberated etc. He also supported the display of the Ten Commandments in public school, force to attend church services at gunpoint, etc.
It’s self-explanatory, geez Ennius you got ya ears on!
He killed upwards of 500,000 citizens by irresponsible mismanagement of a pandemic and dismantling previous mechanisms set up to react to all future pandemic crises.
He withdrew USA from Kyoto agreement effectively burying hopes of achieving its carbon reduction targets, he then dismantled.
He attacked scientific institutions, funding and encouraged misinformation and distrust of science.
He enabled and facilitated erosion of public education and allowed and encouraged religious dogma to infect public educational systems.
He put children in cages and separated them from parents, records of where the children were sent were “lost” and the kids permanently orphaned.
He put unqualified members of his immediate family into state positions that enabled them to fleece the taxpayer and enrich themselves via influence/access selling.
He advocated the use of deadly force on illegal immigrants and “shooting them in the legs” at the border.
He committed election campaign fraud in order to get elected, be is now a convicted felon as a result.
He incited a violent riot at the US Capitol in Jan 2021 with intent to illegally retain the presidency.
He attempted to illegally interfere in Federal election processes of multiple states in the 2020 presidential race.
He attempted to blackmail the Ukraine government to obtain an election advantage.
He obstructed the Mueller Investigation.
He installed a postmaster general intent on degrading the US postal service (prelim to privatisation – the tired old playbook)
He installed billionaire pyramid sales queen Betsy DeVos as US Education Secretary with intent to degrading degrade public education and encourage charter schools and religious education. (as prelim to privatisation- the same old playbook)
He encouraged the rise of fascist extremist organisations such as the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.
He refused to move of gun control, instead his installation of liars and religious fanatics to SCOTUS has served to further erode gun controls, total capitulation to the NRA.
He undermined US international alliances and relations. (I’m no fan of US foreign policy but Trump is ethic less, and as such a reckless, unpredictable global menace.
All those off the top of my head and produced over a few minutes of one finger typing – and required no research. Undoubtedly with a few more minutes I could write much more.
Where have you been over the past ten years, Trevor?
Ohhh, come on Trevor, Trump is your wet dream-admit it!
Trump emboldens arseholes like Putin that’s for sure. Conversely he was just down right stupid over China.
Trump Mr ‘I am so anti deep state’, but it was his administration that aggressively pursued Assange after Obama had decided it was not the course to take. Why, because he is a corrupt liar. All the down trodden that think he actually is fighting for them. He’s a con artist.
The American nightmare will engulf the whole world,
Trump openly said he wants Israel to complete the genocide in Gaza,
Biden not as verbally explicit as Trump supports the genocide in Gaza in practice,
War with China is a certainty. Trump will take a page out of Netanyahu’s playbook, in more ways than one. using the war with China to declare a state of emergency with suspension of civil rights at home and abroad, and use the war with China to stay in office beyond his term end. The US China war will be fought by both sides the same way that Israel fights the war in Gaza. Our lickspittle military leaders will follow the US Trump presidency and order New Zealand NZDF service members into this destructive meatgrinder. Destroying our economy in the process.
Our only hope of preventing this outcome in the US and here, is the sort of mass democratic protests in this country and the US, by the people of Kenya that forced their rulers to back down.
If he wins and it doesnt happen will you promise to stop commenting here?
The US and Chinese imperialists are on a collision course, war between them is inevitable. The peace movement in the West must make common cause with the people of China to prevent it.
Will I stop commenting here?
You wish.
Holding the debate early was probably a smart move to decipher whether Biden was up to it or should be replaced. Even those pulling Biden’s strings must see the writing is on the wall. Like the UK and NZ the choices for the voting public aren’t great.
For the defender of democracy against the ongoing threat of orange fascism the Joe Biden 2024 model seems a pretty pisspour choice.
You can’t tell me his numerous minders haven’t noticed this decline- any casual observer not already addicted to the Koolaid has since at least 2019.
Has it honestly only been since the debate that this is evident? Is it really an Emperor has no clothes on moment or have certain interests been hiding it or is this revelation at this time some ploy.
And then whom are the Democrats going to choose who isn’t carrying baggage and history even if Joe/Jill Biden decides to retire from the race?
He reduced the Corporate Tax rate. Isn’t that a bad thing Trev.
Donald John Trump is the most racist, homophobic, transphobie, mysoginist, fatphobic, religiously militant, anti welfare, anti union, anti poor, anti atheist, anti evolution, anti Palestinan president in USA history. He will turn the USA into a christian theocracy with white supremacist characteristics.
Always prone to hyperbole… seem to forget that the Dems were pro slavery back in the day…Although it is pleasing you seem to have run out of piano wire.
The realignment of both parties in the wake of the Civil Rights legislation (which you seem to despise) is well documented. The GOP hate the gain that were made by blacks, gays, women and other minorities and want to turn the clock back to 70 years ago,
“seem to forget that the Dems were pro slavery back in the day”
Because we now live in the 21st century not the 19th and we are discussing current affairs.
I hope my reply to Trevor doesn’t sit in moderation for 8 hours as commonly happens for dog knows what reasons.
I think Bradbury moderates the posts himself.
Take it as a compliment that you must have something worthwhile to say.
This, is a big win for Biden because the illusion of democracy still holds.
“It was a like a corpse trying to skip.”
LOL you nailed it there!
I’m not a big fan of Trump but I’m aware enough to know that America was a better place when he was president and the world wasn’t bleeding in regional wars.
Whatever. You are racist and homophobic AF. I think you are on record as saying that you wished homosexualiy and transgenderism should be recriminalised, and that athiests should be barred from public office.
You’re not right in the head. I have said no such thing.
Also, Trump pardoned war criminals who took part in the massacre of civilians. I guess he thinks killing unborn babies are OK as long men in US Army/Airforce/Navy uniforms are doing the killing.
Actually, if you want to get away with killing people, just join the police or armed forces. They are pretty much allowed to kill anyone they like. Ted Bundy should have joined the police force. He would have racked up a bigger body count simply by just killing blacks.
It might have been a better place for your kind of people however there is a lengthy post above that lists most of Trump’s fails.
No surprises there. The sane recognised Bidern’s incompetency in 2020 when he hid in his basement for most of the electioneering campaign.
Clearly obvious that you dream of a USA where blacks are strung up from lamposts.
Rest assured millsy the hate crime on Jussie Smollett left me traumatised.
Goes to show you are a nasty Racist Karen. How many blacks would you have had lynched had you lived in the USA during the 1950’s?
Why specify Blacks only? Makes it clearly obvious that you are racist.
To think that the appallingly awful orange buffoon may one again rule is truly depressing.
Gavin Newson, time to step up?
No one can pretend to be surprised by Biden’s performance in the debate, unless, perhaps, they have never looked beyond the New Zealand media for accounts of his general competence. So why are some of us so concerned by something that we must have all seen coming? Why have some of us persisted with the ludicrous idea that Joe Biden would be a better candidate then Donald Trump? Why do some of us not draw the obvious conclusion that not only “the leader of the free world” but the so-called “free world” in its entirety is a delusion and a terrible danger to the peace and well being of the world’s peoples? Why have we wasted time when we should have been preparing for a war against the corrupt and deranged of the Anglo-American empire?
This Candidate only needs 24% of the presidentiaL VOTE TO WIN the presidency.
https://www.jillstein2024.com/
She is going great guns and has a good chance of doing it as people turn off Trump and biden.
https://www.jillstein2024.com/platform
Miss 0.00000000001%
Biden has been a walking basket case for the last two years. Only complete tribalism has continued with what is insanity. If Trump wins the democrat leadership can only look to themselves for the blame. They enabled this farce.
Weekend at Bidens
Golden Showers at Trumps
Trump lied throughout the debate. But the biggest lie lie by far was made by Biden after the debate. Biden claims he is not a liar.
What is interesting is how Biden framed this lie. At a post debate rally Biden said, “I know how to tell the Truth”
Even a toddler knows how to tell the truth. Though he generally prefers not to, even Trump knows how to tell the truth. Hell everybody knows how to tell the truth.
What Biden left unsaid i; ”I also know how to tell a lie.’
And it is one of the most disgusting lies in modern politics. it is a lie that has fueled a genocide. Biden lied when he said that he had seen photos of children beheaded by Hamas.
“I never really thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children,” US President Joe Biden
https://theintercept.com/2023/12/14/israel-biden-beheaded-babies-false/
Biden saw no such photos, in fact no one has. They don’t exist. Trump lies lies a lot, even Trump’s supporters know this, but excuse it.. Biden lies less, which makes the lies he does tell more effective.
I read that Trump lies but Biden only “exaggerates” and “embellishes” which just goes to show how ridiculous this has become.
As you say of course Biden lies as well, he’s just given a pass. Just because Trump lies more does not make Biden some type of saint.
George Washington couldn’t tell a lie.
Donald Trump cannot tell the truth.
Joe Biden cannot tell the difference.
obama, how little, he did, only allow america, to continue its horrid corporate greed, as being only america has this dream. His Lady wife, yes, may swing, the difference, but the cost and insult too, the presiding opt President, the vice president. Have a thought, who most kiwi!s thought will control us, something one part of the threesome self indulgence, freedom, and liberty, what a corporate monster yous have unleased . Heh! america, your election, is nothing but a mirror, of our New Zealand!s, last election..
What a fucking debarkle. Why would anyone defend Biden, just a step from senility? Whose pulling his strings because he’s sure ain’t. Honestly, where are those who care, in America and internationally. They guy can hardly string a sentence together. The world watches bemused.
And the alternative. Well … say no more.
What does it say about American politics? Why can’t two more suitable candidates step up?
Makes our political woes in little ol’ NZ – Aotearoa seem insignificant.
Marx, violence, Engel not need why.
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