ACTs racist referendum is intellectually and morally bankrupt!
What ACT is proposing is majoritarianism, not democracy.
Māori either have a right or don’t have a right, allowing the majority to determine that is fucking outrageous!
There’s a saying in NZ politics, ‘When even Damien Grant can see it…”.
Damien Grant: The principles that ACT should be sticking up for
The policy is to have Parliament pass a law defining the principles of the Treaty, with an emphasis on their impact on our democratic institutions, and then ask the electorate to vote on this at a referendum.
This is a mistake.
…when even Damien Grant can see that a referendum to redefine the Treaty and then force it upon Māori using nothing more than a naked majority is wrong, then come on, the rest of you have no excuses either!
There seems to have been a belief amongst some of our whiter friends that the 420 000 non voters (many of whom are Māori) were simply going to sit the next election out.
There seems to have been a belief that Māori should just allow ACT to generate a referendum that would renegotiate the Treaty and then just foist it upon them with no complaint whatsoever!
What about our 180 year history suggests to you Māori will accept that?
White Kiwis are treating Māori angry at years of abuse the way a parent who has beaten their children behaves at Christmas Dinner, with unforgivable rage that the beaten children are playing up at Christmas Dinner and not wanting to play nice for the occasion.
You can’t keep shitting on a people and get angry when they don’t want to be shat on any longer!
Let’s be very clear, ACTs call for a referendum to redefine the Treaty and then simply force that redefined Treaty upon Māori will start a race war.
Game it out:
- David Seymour cuts a deal with National in 2023 and launches its purge of every Maori political win since the Treaty was signed.
- Shutting down every co-governance arrangement would provoke absolute outrage within Māoridom and spark a vast number of immediate legal cases which would jam down any legislative process as every single decision made after Parliament passed the law ending co-governance would become challenged. Political protests would erupt around the country and local councils would find local resistance as Māori groups universally set up occupations of shared governance assets.
- Likewise, forcing a redefined Treaty using nothing more than a majority referendum will immediately provoke an enormous backlash.
- The New National/ACT Government would then attempt to find anyone within Māoridom who would willingly negotiate new Treaty ‘provisions’ with them. No one within Māoridom would willingly negotiate these and so the New National/ACT Government, while dealing with increasingly violent weekly protests in the street, would announce that they are universally negotiating these new provisions on behalf of Māoridom. The news that not only has the New National/ACT Government ended co-governance but are now redefining the entire Treaty by themselves inspires all out violent protest and the New National/ACT Government respond with increasing use of special terror laws and paramilitary Police Mark Mitchell promised would just be used against gangs to keep a lid on the escalating fury within Māoridom at the loss of their political rights.
- Increasingly global media attention is scathing towards the New National/ACT Government as NZ quickly becomes a pariah on the world stage.
- Donald Trump calls the New National/ACT Government ‘wise’.
- A vast and angry Hikoi makes its way to Wellington refusing the authority of Parliament to redefine the Treaty.
- Protestors refuse to disperse, the New National/ACT Government order Police to open fire on protestors.
- This sends issues spiralling out of control.
David can be as much of a smart arse as he likes, but selling raw meat racism to the angry whites with policy promises that would lead to a race war isn’t clever politics, it’s fucking dangerous and it’s fucking ugly.
If even Damien Grant can see it…
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Bring it on I say!
Seymour is made out to be smart by some but he has no credibility on this. He’s said he supports the treaty settlement process but doesn’t support co governance over resources such as water. He’s about to join the muppets in a coalition. The National muppets, despite being architects of co governance, don’t support co governance at a central level either. So why the hell does there need to be a referendum on something that’s not happening.
Meanwhile Auckland pours raw sewage into the Waitemata and Wayne Brown blames the central government??? How is Auckland mismanaged storm water infrastructure the Government’s fault? There goes Nationals under funded tax cuts straight into your rates bill Auckland. Those great managers of the economy are so confident they are releasing their plan on a Friday afternoon! What a joke!
Seymour has never had a proper job and suffers dreadfully from a combination of ‘arrested development disorder’ and ‘self- delusional disorder’ syndrome.
He’s a 2020’s version of the ’80’s wide- boys who were always quick to spot a gullible schmuck that they could exploit… who are now his paymasters!
Nowhere in the Treaty does it say that Māori own water.
And nowhere in co governance does it suggest Māori own water. Has the Waikato River Settlements Act had a detrimental impact on anything?
Where does it stop Martyn, maori get 20% of new 5g spectrum as per ‘the treaty’, it seems everything they want is by ‘the treaty’
Like it or not…’the treaty’ has no boundaries and the waitangi tribunal have never refused/thrown out a claim, they agree with everything put in front of them as being of ‘the treaty’
Has to be a line drawn somewhere and a referendum will do that.
Even Winnie wants ‘the treaty’ involvement in all facets of NZ life to cease and desist also.
It has its place in certain areas, but not in all.
“Even Winnie”. He will say anything. The other day he said Columbus discovered America. Apparently the American Indians that were there already didn’t know the land mass they were on existed
People should try reading a report from the Waitangi tribunal. I’ve read the one for my area and they’ve gone through the claims on every parcel of land separately, looking at all the available evidence and come up with a ‘yay’ for some and a ‘nay’ for others.
To state they they agree with everything put in front of them is demonstrably false.
Of course Pakeha agree on everything. Māori disagreeing on how to be compensated for out right theft by the crown, doesn’t change the crime.
Read Audrey Young’s column on this in today’s NZ Herald.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-audrey-young-chris-hipkins-treaty-of-waitangi-speech-not-before-time/2HRSOMZV4JDQ3CCIZNYU6AFN3Y/
Oh you mean Jonathon Young former National MP and minister, that Audrey Young?
Christ Ada, even for your hard right wing traits you’re scraping the barrel.
For a much more neutral view point…
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/28/latest-hipkins-v-luxon-debate-former-cabinet-ministers-verdicts/
I m really reassured that Audrey Young has come out as as a rabid enthusiast for modern Treaty mythology .
It makes the MSM claim of wishing to have an informed debate on the issue laughable
It is of interest that even Audrey can only start the mythology in the 80’s
Just don’t order the police to fire on protestors – pretty unlikely anyway and also pretty unlikely the police would follow any order to so (I would hope).
ACT don’t give a stuff about you and me and our ‘democratic rights’.
This is all about clearing away any potential legislative roadblocks to their privatisation agenda, under the mask of cheap racebaiting.
Then my friends (if you don’t already), you’ll learn all about cost-of-living and unaffordability crises, as private interests gouge their profits from your decreasing pay packet.
And not only that Jase, let’s not forget all those teen ram raiders grew up under a Key National government which seeds are is now coming to fruition. That is undeniable.
“Why ACTs racist referendum is so intellectually and morally bankrupt”
Yeah, well perhaps, but good coin in it. If the useless twerker makes a front bench he gets six figures plus entitlements and perks. Thus sweet as. seymours says ” Pardon me while I wipe my Jimmy Choo’s on that homeless person. (Stop wriggling) ”
https://www.jimmychoo.com/nz/en_NZ/men/shoes/dress-shoes/thame/black-velvet-slipper-with-crystal-embellishment-THAMEAQN010045.html?cgid=men-shoes-dress#start=1
The most racist Govt in 50 years says they’ll call it out when they see it:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/election-2023/498982/hipkins-commits-to-call…
Could start by looking in the mirror
Has anyone told Seymour that the principals favour pakeha???? If they were to interpret the TOW literally leaving out the principals remembering the majority of the chiefs signed the Maori version than that favours Maori not pakeha! I think Seymour doesn’t have a fucken clue what he’s talking about concerning the treaty I mean he’s a fucken politician not a historian.
The courts and expert ova decades rule on these findings using logic, NZ law, lore, international law and other expertise that well researched not some politician who became an accidental Maori at the beginning of this election cycle. Its race baiting for votes pure and simple! He wants to ceded all NZers sovereignty to the highest bidder the TOW puts a stop to this nonsense.
http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/browse
They probably did another cut and paste and just lowered the figures to suit them, they are so devious and lazy, and they have been allowed to get away with slogans and fearmongering. Nationals campaign is glossy fake marketing paid for by the 2% ters. They have also prayed on peoples anxiety about covid and the cost of living.
Let’s start simply, how does a person know they are/are not a maori?
The treaty has, in effect, been rewritten already by Sir Hugh Kawharu via his translation of the te reo Māori version of the Treaty. His version is quite radically different from the original. Supporters of co governance use it as justification for co governance. Understand the difference between “citizen” (which didn’t exist even in Britain until 1948) and “subject.”
Martyn, you need to learn the difference between the Treaty of Waitangi, which David has no issue with, and the principles of the treaty, which were defined more recently by the well meaning judiciary.
Thanks Bob the first/ John/Bob, ACT party member . Suggest you just need to learn, full stop.
Bob, you need history lessons apparently?
Yeah but they’re probably most likely to be the next government because the labour green government have been shit for the last 6 years.
They ran a regime of terror based on shitty ideology and ‘hot takes’ from bubble university and online hate therapy groups.
It is their fault.
+ 1.
There are as many extremists outside co governance meetings as there are inside.
Agree
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