Black Power want cuddles because they are too dumb to differentiate someone walking to MacDonalds in red isn’t a member of the Mogrel Mob…
Black Power members jailed for Taranaki McDonald’s attack challenge their sentences
Three Black Power members involved in a pack attack on a mentally impaired man at a McDonald’s, all because he was wearing a red jersey, are arguing their jail terms are excessive given the beating was “60 seconds of madness” and caused limited injury.
But the Crown says the sentences handed down were appropriate.
Up to 13 Black Power members and associates took part in the attack against the middle-aged man, mistakenly believing he was a member of rival gang Mongrel Mob, inside the Hāwera McDonald’s in South Taranaki on September 12 last year.
It occurred as the victim, who was stabbed during the brutal bashing, was waiting for his food.
…no, no, no.
No cuddles for you Black Power, you cowards attacked a mentally handicapped guy going to McDonalds, you don’t get cuddles for that!
These scumbags highlight the challenge of carrying out justice and why it’s been so hard for Labour.
Reducing the prison population is vital because nothing tells you that someone will go to prison like going to prison.
Labour reduced the prison population by assisting prisoners in filling out the forms to serve their sentence at home, this was always allowed by the National Party rules but National refused to help the illiterate prisoners from filling in the forms, Labour ensured they could, and it is in helping illiterate prisoners fill in the forms that has seen the reduction.
This plan has worked and it has led to a reduction in recidivism…
one thing is clear: reoffending rates have been falling.
Corrections keeps track of prisoner reoffending within 12 months and 24 months of being released from prison.
In 2016/17, the 12-month rate was 46.8 per cent while the 24-month rate was 60.9 per cent. The latest rates, for 2021/22, show these falling to 35.8 per cent and 56.5 per cent respectively.
For those doing community sentences in 2016/17, the recidivism rate within 12 months of starting the sentence was 27.5 per cent, and 41.6 per cent within 24 months. By 2021/22, these had fallen to 18.2 per cent and 34.7 per cent respectively.
These are the lowest community sentence recidivism rates in 30 years, though Corrections says this is in part due to lower court traffic because of Covid-related delays.
The 12-month recidivism rate for those aged 14 to 16 has also been dropping, from 43 per cent in 2017 to 33 per cent in 2020.
…the problem is that the services to monitor home detention are underfunded and the technology shonky enough to allow determined and violent prisoners to continue causing harm.
The spike in filmed ram raids and the current 501 turf war for the meth trade garner all the media attention when the reality is that domestic violence is far greater and more damaging…
‘There’s a huge problem’: New Zealand searches for new ways to tackle family violence
In New Zealand, police attend a family harm episode every three minutes. In the year ending June 2022, 175,573 family harm investigations were recorded, but the majority of incidents go unreported. Māori women are more likely to be affected by family and sexual violence than any other ethnicity, with nearly 50% experiencing partner abuse in their lifetime.
In April, the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child identified “serious concern about the persistent rates of abuse and neglect of, and violence against, children” in New Zealand, and noted a lack of services available to children who have suffered violence, abuse and trauma. At the same time, the country’s suicide rate for those aged 15-19 was reported to be the highestof 41 OECD/EU countries, with suicide rates significantly higher for Māori men.
…it’s funny that all the tough on crime rhetoric never discusses domestic violence.
Isn’t it?
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Well said at Martyn Bradbury, No excuses for those f***tards or anyone else for that matter smashing the living bejesus out of someone for wearing coloured clothing that they disapprove off. Shame the shit out of those idiots that perpetrated the beating.
In New Zealand, police attend a family harm episode every three minutes? No, not all day and night. Please say: on average every three minutes. Loose language aids disinformation.
The gangs already have “Cuddles” Coster.
The rest of us would prefer Raylan Givens
Gang violence is an obvious indication that Labour policy has failed. Labour has given tax money away to organized crime, provided cover for their death cult with excuses of deprivation or racism, allowed the courts to hand out home detention for crimes up to and including murder, and would rather talk about school lunches than citizens being kicked in the head on a public street. Labour’s politics of kindness is ridiculous, as is their claim that their MPs don’t supply family members with insider information and work contracts. NZ First policy seems to offer the most here then: ban gangs and classify them as domestic terrorists. Intimidation, drug peddling and murder can’t be tolerated in society because it will destroy it. Start the sentencing at 30 years mandatory for participation in a criminal gang, and increase the mandatory life sentence for intentional murder to 50 years. Life should mean life, because life is the most precious thing we have contrary to what some mentally ill High Court judge thinks. Build maximum security prisons like they have in America and those emerging elsewhere in the civilized world and place these lifers in solitary confinement for the term of their natural existence.
Sorry guys, but you are off to prison, hopefully for a long time. 13 against one is brutal and disgusting and would still have been bad if the victim was another gang member.
And their feeble excuses show what cowardly scumbags they are.
They should be saying we deserve a really tough sentence, because what we did was vicious and unforgivable
Top of my head, without looking at all the details. There is an attempt to get gangs on different paths – so what could Black Power do to clearly look at the harm they have done?
Perhaps have a meeting where they have to think through their attitudes and why they have led to this outcome? They rate their insignia highly, why not include, proudly! Be strong minded, as well as in body. Not in high standing in the community now, but they know that community is far from perfect itself. They can work within their own community and set themselves goals and standards that match with the general community’s but are bigger, wider, better and not so poncy and small-minded and punitive as the official way of viewing and doing life!
Denis O’Reillly is a long-term Black Power member and spokesperson.
From him 25 August 2023.: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2023-national-party-vows-to-scrap-contracts-with-gangs-for-community-support/R3RVCKN4IZEU3LJMK6J5346CNA/
National is promising to crack down on this by banning gang patches in public places and giving police more powers when dealing with gang members.
Lifetime Black Power member Denis O’Reilly said these policies – and National’s latest promise to cut gang contracts – were short-sighted.
“I’d say two words to the National Party: Chester Borrows. There was one of their men who followed that very line until he got out into the community and he actually started to experience what those communities were about.”
The late Chester Borrows came to believe the tough-on-crime mentality does not work; advocating a shift in focus – and money – from punitive measures to community programmes…
National Party leader Christopher Luxon says his party would put an end to gangs getting government contracts, if elected in October…
It was former National Party prime minister Robert Muldoon whose cabinet set up the ‘Committee on Gangs’ in 1981.
This group of high-powered public servants wrote a report which affirmed political thinking at the time that gangs were a social problem needing a social solution.
Muldoon’s administration helped gangs into work through an employment scheme and his relationship with Black Power developed so much that members performed a haka at his funeral….
RNZ asked Luxon if a National-led government would work with gangs if elected in October, as his predecessors had.
“Well, we’re not going to give $2.7 million to gangs to do drug rehabilitation programmes. We wouldn’t give $9000 to gangs to fill in census forms.”…
(Note that there is a law to confiscate gang’s earnings which are considered, and possibly do, to come from illegal activities so this grant possibly just recycles that in an effort to get some positive change.)
[Luxon says]: “We’re going to have a strong, stable National-led government that’s going to focus on fixing the economy so we can reduce the economic pain and suffering for New Zealanders.
“On the other side you’ve got Labour, Te Pāti Māori, the Greens and Harry Tam and the gangs,” he told reporters on Tuesday.
For background to economic ideas that the National Party and Right generally wallow in, see this Abstract:
https://academic.oup.com/book/42635/chapter/358102982
In the early 1980s, global events and New Zealand’s government response drove the country towards economic collapse. Debt, inflation, and unemployment grew.
To address the crisis, several legislative reforms in the style of New Public Management were passed between the mid-1980s and early 1990s. The currency was floated, price and income controls were relaxed, state-owned enterprises such as the national airline were corporatized, government accounting was scrutinized, and outputs rather than inputs were monitored in government departments.
These reforms transformed New Zealand into a country that holds transparency and accountability in high regard. The economy recovered, and the population flourished and gained better access to a wider range of goods and services.
This chapter analyses the reasons and the circumstances that led to the success of New Zealand’s economic reforms. The authors also discuss what economic vulnerabilities remain for New Zealand and consider the extent to which the New Zealand model offers lessons for other countries.
(Note – the economy collapsed when Muldoon didn’t hand over reins of government and economy in normal, accepted way and there was a run on finance withdrawn to overseas then devaluation.
Difficulties with the economy followed leading to abandonment of one that enabled basic citizens employment.)
It was understood that some restructuring must follow the Closer Economic Relations agreement with Australia, which took effect in 1981 and reduced barriers to trade between Australia and New Zealand….
At the end of 1983 there was a marked change in Douglas’s thinking. He prepared a caucus paper called the “Economic Policy Package” which called for a market-led restructuring of the economy. The key proposal was a 20 per cent devaluation of the dollar, to be followed by the removal of subsidies to industry, border protection and export incentives. ..
With no restrictions on overseas money coming into the country the focus in the economy shifted from the productive sector to finance.
(Loss of employment and NZ owned viable businesses including government-owned.)
Finance capital outstripped industrial capital[36] and redundancies occurred in manufacturing industry; approximately 76,000 manufacturing jobs were lost between 1987 and 1992.[37] The new state-owned enterprises created from 1 April 1987 began to shed thousands of jobs adding to unemployment: Electricity Corporation 3,000; Coal Corporation 4,000; Forestry Corporation 5,000; New Zealand Post 8,000…
Over 15 years, New Zealand’s economy and social capital faced serious problems: the proliferation of food banks increased dramatically to an estimated 365 in 1994; the number of New Zealanders estimated to be living in poverty grew by at least 35% between 1989 and 1992 while child poverty doubled from 14% in 1982 to 29% in 1994….
(Help to gangs could not change the effect of a failing economy running on ponzi schemes. So we should not regard continuing help to those groups as ‘throwing money away’ or ‘helping the criminal classes’ – that is an amorphous group extending often by fraud through all classes to those who have achieved ‘well-oiled’ status. )
Note: The UK and its class society waxing and waning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_in_the_United_Kingdom
National have nothing good for NZ/AOers – having savagely returned the country to a class society; they wish to withhold resources and return us to conditions that the socially conscious in Britain worked their hearts out in the 1900’s to alleviate, and then hopefully, remove.* Some hope, the meanness of people who acquire money seems to be like a disease, and if the parents don’t show it, there is a genetic and cultural tendency which shows up in the children, Roger Douglas being an example, coming from a family of long-term Labour Party supporters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Douglas.
Further:* https://sites.udel.edu/britlitwiki/social-life-in-victorian-england/
https://oll.libertyfund.org/page/laissez-faire-in-nineteenth-century-britain-a-bibligraphical-essay-by-ellen-f-paul
https://www.routledge.com/Protest-and-Reform-The-British-Social-Narrative-by-Women-
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Victorian-Workhouse/
The exact origins of the workhouse however have a much longer history. They can be traced back to the Poor Law Act of 1388. In the aftermath of the Black Death, labour shortages were a major problem. The movement of workers to other parishes in search of higher paid work was restricted. By enacting laws to deal with vagrancy and prevent social disorder, in reality the laws increased the involvement of the state in its responsibility to the poor.18271867/Kestner/p/book/9781032314891
“…so, what could Black Power do to clearly look at the harm they have done?”
Singapore permits the death penalty for people convicted of trafficking more than 15 grams of heroin, 30 grams of cocaine, 250 grams of meth, or 500 grams of cannabis.
What was the question again ?
Start going after gangs like the Australians.
Reintroduce consorting laws.
Break them up.
Prison should be for the likes of violent criminal offenders and big time white collar criminals, nobody else should be in prison.
Seems surprising they are going back asking for lower sentence starting points to gain home detention. Given the light sentences they received for the type of crime, they surely risk getting longer terms.
Anyone carrying a gun in public automatic 10 years minimum. Anyone without a gun license and registration for the gun 10 years minimum. And an advertising campaign so no one can be ignorant of the law.
Social care, Prisons what care, Muldoon, get the gangs working, trade care, explain and do.Eh you, yes, released offenders, fool socialist like I, Muldoon, if those with money, pay the material costs, the labour will be free, with trades peoples supervised care of prisoners ex, decorating your home.
That is like gangsters, all over our home, and yes it was, with a fool socialist trade, care knowing.
THEY know.
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