Here we go again…
Independent Police Conduct Authority finds officer not justified in fatally shooting man in 2021
The Independent Police Conduct Authority has found an officer was not justified in shooting a man dead in Auckland in February 2021.
Tangaru-Noere Turia, who was 34 and a 501-deportee from Australia, died after being shot three times.
He had been holed up in a house for a number of hours before coming out with a shotgun.
Police repeatedly asked him to drop the firearm, but he failed to do so.
The IPCA said the officer gave Turia no time to comply with the request to drop his weapon.
Chair Judge Colin Doherty said the officer had the option of waiting for a response and should have done so.
On the balance of probabilities the officer’s action in shooting Turia was an excessive and unreasonable use of force, the IPCA said.
However, there was insufficient evidence for a criminal prosecution.
…I fear that we are moving into a ‘Respect my authority’ American policing style where disobedience is the threshold for lethal force.
In this case there is no clear immediate threat identified. The erratic angry 501 came out with the gun over his shoulder, he didn’t come out aiming it!
Why was the focus on escalation and resolution through death rather than de-escalation?
Why weren’t there dog handlers ready to rush then suspect if it was required?
Was lethal force the only option?
We had the exact same situation last week where police stormed a house in Fielding when again there is no clear reason why extreme force was the only solution.
He had fired some shots off, and that was the threshold for engagement using lethal force?
Really?
Is this a real threat or an erratic mental health issue?
We can’t keep having people shot by the Police. De-escalation tactics need to be engaged until there is no other possibility left and only then with the minimum force required.
That this argument has spilled into the public from an organisation as endlessly compromised as the prop-Police IPCA is remarkable.
The Police are given enormous powers and we demand they use those enormous powers with immense discretion.
People being shot by the police is not an outcome anyone wants.
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Yep they can use their discretion not to defend women from a violent mob so they can use their discretion to stop shooting people, especially the mentally ill. Another case this week again.
You can’t ask discretion of an officer welding a deadly weapon. There’s not enough room atop your high horse to form the entire ranks of the police force.
Fantail. This police shooting issue is being over-simplified as usual, but the shocking occurrence at Albert Park 25/3/23 did not appear to be a matter of the police using their discretion, but rather, of police acting under orders.
Their chilling claim that it was “ not their job to protect women “ is a major departure from accepted norms, and from civilised norms, and our expectations of them. That’s not what they’re paid for.
They’d been engaged for days or weeks beforehand with the pro-women organisers, and it seems that when the big day came, they switched off their phones, and they sat in their car, and they watched. That’s sick. Most normal men and ordinary decent sort of people will leap to the defence of others being bullied, but these guys sat at a safe distance. That had to have been a directive down from the man at the top, and he should have been called to account for it, and the Minister not able to shrug it off as an operational matter.
Politicians and media were in the grip of an extraordinary sort of hysteria about Kellie-Jay Keen prior to her arrival in this country, with public vilification, lie telling, and direct assistance and funding provided to protest against her. I think it was the UK ‘ Spectator’ who labelled the occurrence at Albert Park anti-women terrorism, and it was. Police had various opportunities to prevent violence from happening and to maintain law and order on the day, and they chose not to do so. It’s a very different scenario from the immediacy of a nutter with a gun.
Enough about Dosey Parker being some bastion of women’s rights. She is a fruit cake. If you have not watched her talking about mass grooming and a woman being put into food for human consumption I suggest you do.
Does that excuse the violence, no it does not but let’s not turn the UK version of Majorie Taylor Greene into someone credible
Wheel. How about some references for these allegations ? I watched Keen being interview by the UK Spectator maybe twice, and by GB News, and haven’t picked up on this. Had she not been stopped from speaking in New Zealand, she’d have had the opportunity to speak as you say. Her previous interviews on US television reflect pretty much what many biological women, and what parents of daughters think, and not what New Zealand media and politicians allege her to have said.
https://twitter.com/icanseeforever1/status/1640340060145852417?s=42&t=8zKJvmAjfkyua8hUVSgrxA
Wheel Agree, this looks bizarre. Surprised one of the reputable overseas interviews didn’t picked up on it. It may need to be put into some sort of context, and it may require joining Twitter to do so, which I won’t.
They certainly do, despite what the man who shot the mental health case, the IPCA said the man had his gun slung over his shoulder.
Just another lying cop:
he was holding the firearm in the low ready position as he walked and continued to yell out abuse and challenges…
When the tasers came into use this is exactly what we said would happen, they don’t bother to get the crisis team just shoot em up.
Martyn, regarding your comment: “Is this a real threat or an erratic mental health issue?”. I disagree with your use of the word “or”. Very often, it is “and”. He was hallucinating, paranoid and aggressive. Calling this a “mental health issue” risks downplaying it, as the phrase ‘mental health’ is now used so broadly as to be meaningless. The man was psychotic.
Having worked for decades with psychotic individuals in acute situations, I can assure you that the threats are ‘real’. That someone is hallucinating and paranoid does not reduce their threat – it increases it dramatically – as their behaviour becomes less predictable, more impulsive, and less responsive to the actual (rather than hallucinated) situation. I have directly witnessed of a lot of violence from psychotic individuals – it has never been in slow motion, and being assaulted by someone who is psychotic doesn’t make you less injured.
This is why I’d never want to be a cop.
Forced into a life & death situation, you make a split second judgement call in order to protect others, only to be criticised by someone who wasn’t there, has never worn a uniform or held a firearm.
Police did a early morning raid on my house. Mom had a bit of a panic attack, has been pretty on edge since even though it’s been a number of years. My own mental health has been bad, but not definitively related. Armed Defenders surrounded house, and both me and mom were already awake, insomnia I guess. They failed to secure mom in van, so she sustained injury when they did a sharp turn and drove a little aways from house. Later find out warrant was for dude we’d never heard of. Later, later, found out *maybe* friend of friend of family who no longer stayed with us. Mom uses incident to say we live in a police state (also couple other incidents where we’ve done nothing wrong and still had run ins with police, including 1 that went to court and then CCTV footage went missing, so they dropped case). I don’t really think it fits the definition of police state though, just suspicious behaviour, incompetent if I give the benefit of the doubt. But she does find a lot of similar stories happening to her online group of friends. I remain skeptical, but think something should change if they don’t have enough protocols in place to not harass law abiding citizens.
“He had been holed up in a house for a number of hours before coming out with a shotgun.”
the dude was too cowardly to do himself in, so he got the cops to do it for him, and after fucking everyone around for hours. at least he didn’t hurt anyone else. help! would have been a better option to come out with. meh! and if he had pulled the gun and shot a cop? I wouldn’t give him the chance either.
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