Maori Party end year bewilderingly reopening door to National!?!?!?

1. Perhaps they don’t like this law?
   A generation forbidden for life from buying cigarettes

   • I’d like to see a law introduced which prevents the government from implementing nationwide restrictions to freedom of movement and access, civil liberties and human rights based on fear mongering opinion and speculation rather than evidence from medical professionals. Everything this government has done in the past two years has supposedly been to protect our health where they have ‘followed the science’ using the best data and advice available. The facts show that actually they chose to ignore this information and chart a future for New Zealand based on their own ideology and goals. This government cannot be trusted.

     • The government can now actually be deemed anti-science rather than the people they smeared with this description in the past, those asking legitimate questions who were told to defer to experts instead of trying to understand the concepts. Worse, this government chose to manipulate, deceive and lie about their source of expertise which was nothing more than licking a finger and holding it up to the breeze. They are the source of covid misinformation and ugly disinformation, amplified by their footsoldiers and the media. And these devious motivations drove the country into the depths of a police state with frightened citizens and celebrity pseudo science and masculine leadership.

     • We already have that law – the Human Rights Act.

       But Labour just ran right over it because that’s what autocratic regimes do.

       • You mean like selling State owned electricity companies when the referendum held voted against it? Autocracy at it’s absolute worst!

         • Actually no.
           State owned assets aren’t in the Human Rights Act and referenda are non binding in this country. (If they were binding we’d have had tougher sentencing for violent crimes, vetoed Bradford’s amendment to the child protection law and we’d only have 100 MPs in parliament)

         • Then why hasn’t “Labour not been prosecuted? And yes if the country votes against in a referendum it SHOULD be binding, any other decision for, means the government is an autocratic regime.

     • Sounds interesting. What are you talking about specifically?

   • Kheala. There’ll be a tension and a heightened anxiety among the dedicated, and the addicted, and the tobacco- is -my- friend community, with the virtue signalling government whacking them round the gills for Christmas. Being homeless and hungry is tough too, but after all a stable was good enough for Jesus to be born in, and abolishing tobacco is so much cheaper than providing homes, or the ability to buy decent food.

2. Well, we’ve known for years that the economics of the two groups are almost identical, so no surprises they would choose the low road when it comes to forward thinking on the economic front, but the fact they would choose to aid and abet those who have done so much damage, both on an economic, and societal level, shows a worrying sign that the “Iwi leadership group” has more influence than is sensible, or beneficial to the wider Maori electorate… To me, this is just more reason for me to go back to Fremantle when WA opens it’s borders, and continue on with a life that suits me, rather than wasting my time being caught up in the never ending cycle of boom and bust, with the occasional attempt to fix the utter clusterfuck that creates by an increasingly ineffective labour party, and almost nonexistent union “movement”…
   There is no saving these people, and they will stab you in the back if you tried… The awards for the stupidest people on the planet are due soon, and my money is on New Zealanders… And before the usual gaggle of tory “intellectuals” pile on with their usual bigoted nonsense, I was born in Ngapuhi country.. Te Kopuru… Learnt my politics under the iron fist of the Muldoon government, and marched against the abuses of Roger Douglas, and the great wrecker Ruth Richardson.. I predicted, on this page, and others, what was going to happen because of the American PM(Key), and every single prediction has come true, with knobs on.. It seems that the only skill we have left is the ability to shoot ourselves in the foot every time it looks like we might be about to take a positive step toward rational, forward thinking action..

   • I hope you stay here, Stefan. We need your voice.
     (Saying that because you’ve spoken of leaving the country asap.)

   • I tend to agree with you @Stefan.
     I’m now too old to relocate (possibly), That said I’m seriously considering a move to the lower slopes of the Himalayas where the water is pristine, people rally round to support one another regardless of their identity, and community self sufficiency is easy.
     As it happens, they’ve got better broadband, No8 wire gumption where anything can be fixed from a bloody washing machine to a cell phone, transport, and far fewer wankers with an understanding of at least a little humility

   • Apparently we aren’t allowed to talk about Keys failures. The hard right will have you believe National are the answer. As you say, all of your predictions have come to fruition. Hopefully this will be the peak. If the Maori party think National are the answer, they have very short memories and they only have to swipe left to see the face of Seymour whom has already complained about the footwear of a certain Maori party leader and let’s not forget Seymour voted against the Maori party having a right of reply to The P.M.’s address to the parliament. Seymour also wants to abolish Maori seats so I’d suggest to the Maori party, be very careful what you wish for.

3. The vaccine roll out has shown Labours contempt for Maori input. Despite having so many Maori in their line up they are still at the bottom of the heap in many aspects . The Maori Party can see that National are on the way back to the seats of power and they want to be in the winning team.

   • And that “want” is driven in part by desperation of problems unresolved.

   • National has nothing to run on and are just hoping that Luxon is Key 2.0.

     • Be careful to name he whom shall not be named. I’m Right will be pulling it’s hair out!

   • Maori appear stupid…just saying….oops im in trouble

     • The only Maori ‘politicians’ worth listening too are Hone Harawira and Tama Iti.
       Would they sell their very souls to go with National/Act. Yeah, right.

       • Hone sold out to the fat German.

4. Well Bomber ,you have found something worse than the Greens at last! I concur with you that the Maori Party has self destructed. Pity. It seems that the Left has been derailed. Who the hell are we going to vote for?

   • garibaldi. With respect, I query whether the openness of the Maori Party towards the Nats can be compared to the intellectual dishonesty of the Greens. Davidson’s victimhood-grab for bashed Maori women when it’s non-Maori females who are suffering the most, is a self-serving distortion of the truth in a way which just wanting to hear what the guy from the Upper Room has to say, isn’t.

5. I see a lot of qualifications in the quoted comments from Te Parti Māori. It does not give the impression that they are hot to trot with the filthy nats again–rather are just vaguely not ruling it out.

   Remember all current parliamentary parties are cross class parties that claim to represent “everyone” in their particular catchment.

   NZ Labour will not form a Govt. with NZ National, but in reality after each election the neo liberal consensus is rolled over–Reserve Bank Act, State Sector Act etc, as is Five Eyes and various free trade agreements.

   So I would not put the MP at the top of the sell out list!

6. As the only party in parliament who actually gives a damn about poor people, I was seriously considering giving the Maori Party my party vote…. but no way if they’re going to go into coalition with National.

7. They are expressing their right to self determination which in this case manifests as a careerist desire to partner with unhinged right wingers. Dick move. Their support base will be the ones who carry the burden.

8. They sound a wee bit desperate to me and the truth is glaring back at them and they are concerned….sadly it’s a uncertain time ahead for the party and they are changing tack perhaps in these weird old Covid rabid times.

   • Covid rabid times? Someone on The Standard tonight says, “Cabinet have actively put Māori citizens in harm’s way.”

9. Many Maori are conservative as – no surprises here

10. Could be that they are playing a smarter game. They are probably looking ahead to the next election and think it will be close. They might even think that they might be able to get an extra seat, possibly two, and are putting themselves into position as “King-makers”.

    Its a little patronising to write them off as stupid, or elitist.

11. No Trev the Maori party are keeping their options open like playing poker you never show your hand until your opponent pays to see you. Look I thought the Maori party started of well but seem to have fallen into a hole and they need to get themselves out asap. National with not deliver for the average Maori they never have and they never will they deliver for the elite.

    • Bingo!

12. There is a reason why they hardly get any votes even from Maori. AKA consistently only get 30,000 – 35,000 party votes, so only about a 1/3 of Maori votes.

    The Maori Party will go with whoever gives them personally the best deal, not what is best for Maori.

    While 1% of Maori might think Te Reo branding is wonderful, 80% of Maori are probably more interested in a better life with a decent job, better environment, better opportunities for their children, better housing and more social mobility. It’s easy to rebrand with marketing, not easy to do something real to help people.

    For every Maori mobster that the government gives money and help to, they are probably putting 5 other Maori victims into poverty who are harassed or victimised by them with drugs and violence.

    Labour can’t work out why they are now going lower in the polls!

    3 waters, continuation of terrible housing policy for developers to do what ever they like, impractical tenancy reforms, constant manipulation for more waste and development aka new builds being priorities and overseas investors getting the greed lights again on new builds in NZ, removal of democracy and woke laws to control people’s lives and thoughts that backfire such as the hate speech laws, that do the opposite (aka seem to enable more terrorists and criminals to be protected in NZ, while stopping others rights to disagree).

    Labour is full of reasonably nice people who don’t have a clue what is going on. Natz are full of less nice people, who also have no clue what is going on. Greens are full of clueless woke people who think they know what is going on.

    ACT have a clear plan and galloping ahead, their 1% party votes was an indication of their supercity and unitry plan reforms, but luckily Labour and Natz are continuing it on, for lower polls for labour and all forgiven for ACT. Go Labour!

    Mana always had a better future than the Maori Party, and the other parties worked together to destroy it.

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