Are the SIS taking threats against the PM seriously?
If they are, how the fuck did a far right fanatic connected to Steve Bannon’s hate network get close enough to the PM to harass her with antiVaxx propaganda?
Almost every single splinter group has become radicalized by the 90% double vaccination threshold.
The Vaccinated:
- Angry Double vaxxed Good Citizens in Auckland & Good Buggers in South Island – They have done what they were asked, they have sacrificed and now they want their lives back. Being told they can’t because morons don’t want to be vaccinated is going down about as well as a cup of cold sick. These people are not bad people, they’ve done what they were asked and they want their lives back. You can’t get angry at these people and painting their frustration out as racist will hurt the Left at the election. The unfairness of continuing to lose your liberty under de facto house arrest because Liz Gunn thinks vaccinations are raping Gaia makes this group ripe for radicalisation.
- Small Business – These are people who for the first time in their lives feel economically vulnerable. They have haemorrhaged cash because of the lockdown and are on the verge of collapse. Economic hardship will see many blame Jacinda while seeing her only helping gangs. They are also ripe for radicalisation.
- The Woke – If you honestly think like the Maori Party that this is modern genocide, all violence is justified.
The Unvaccinated:
- Qanon Anti-vaxx lunatics – Will see the vaccination passports as a vast erosion of their civil rights and that measure will dangerously radicalize this fringe. If you honestly believe Jacinda is the same as Nazi Germany, any violence becomes permissible.
- Crystal Karens – These are the middle class new age conspiracy clique who will become culturally ostracised by the vaccine passports. If you believe like Liz Gunn does, that the vaccine is raping Gaia to the point that the Earth Mother Goddess is starting earthquakes then any violence is justified.
- Jesus is my vaccine fanatics – They will see Bishop Brian Tamaki’s prosecution as persecution and see end of days symbolism at every turn. The passport will be framed as the number of the beast. If Jacinda is the antiChrist then any violence is acceptable.
As hospitalizations climb and desperation mixes with fear and anger over the coming months, we must acknowledge that the possibility for real political violence driven by an extreme position only goes up.
I believe the Wellington Mandarins who surround the PM have no concept of how angry and hateful the current environment is against the PM.
Wellington never understands Auckland. Ever.
News that the Wellington Mandarins will send Jacinda to Auckland when tensions are this high is as irresponsible as sending Kennedy to Dallas.
Allow Jacinda to come to Auckland AFTER we are a few weeks out of lockdown, don’t send her before!!!
Extremism has erupted in NZ in a way I’ve never witnessed. To date the Wellington Mandarins have shown no understanding of that to the point they allowed a far right fanatic to get within reach of the Prime Minister!
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The anti-Ardern mob don’t care if she is under threat in public. They love it. They would have been happy yesterday if there had been a crop of nutcases rabbiting irrelevant inanities.
The anti-vaxx mob the same. The realities of rational discussion, and time and place, are not of concern, they want a circus.
Maybe Ardern shouldn’t have stand-ups like yesterday. Maybe she could, but have the crowd no closer than 20 metres. Maybe surrounded by a big pack of visibly armed security forces.
The best thing Ardern could do is get stuck into provisions around mental health. There are a helluva lot of nutcases and intellectually impaired about.
Agree with our esteemed Editor on this, despite my being a trenchant critic of this MMP majority Labour Govt. on various matters.
Filthy NZ Nashnull and the EMA and ACT and thousands of SMEs and service providers would have opened up to COVID in 2020 if you believe their public statements. Jacinda has navigated this shit show as well as any international leader and better than most–just look at the figures.
But the whip has come down now with Delta, and a whole bunch of anti vaccination crazies are on the munt as we speak. Protect the PM!
No one individual.will be held accountable.
Northland locked down as a punishment for the embarrassment inflicted on her.
But seriously consider how Muldoon or Lange would have handled the occasion. With delight and enthusiasm, ceased the moment and turned the tables. Changed the subject and made political capital out of the situation.
All Jacinda did was confirm her intelectual weakness and inability to work off the prepared script.
Normally of course with a compliant and as she pointed out an “accredited” 4th estate.
She should have ignored the others who were there and let the guy calling out call the shots?
She should have said, “Piss off Noddy, take your misinformation and fanaticism elsewhere.”
Metaphorically or literally. Gone into Muldoon mode.
Today? Today you would have been on here calling her a rude bitch, unfit for office. Metaphorically or literally.
Northland is in level three lockdown because diseased fuckwits are running around in our community spouting about their “freedoms.” If anyone suffered embarrassment in Kawakawa yesterday, it was two Trump-inspired morons posing as bona fide journalists, and a young mother who would rather grandstand than keep her infant safe. To answer your question, I suspect Muldoon would have got shit-faced and called an early election, and Lange would have responded with a bit of witi repati and moved on.
Yeah I think going to Auckland right now could be risky. Hopefully they have ramped up security. We need our leader right now, for better or for worse, but we need her
scary stalker comment.
Idiotic moron comment.
Again.
Living proof Wellington never understand Auckland is the contradictory illogical rules they set upon Auckland under this never-ending lockdown. Wellington based government members could easily be accused of letting their prejudices guide them a bit too far lately.
And yes, it is probably the least ideal time ever for Jacinda to rediscover Auckland, this far into this lockdown. She’s may not recognise the people here anymore. Our government are none too popular with anyone I speak to.
Isn’t this exactly why she should have been here ages ago? Locking themselves away on the ninth floor listening to the same alleged experts and becoming trapped into group think has landed us where we now are. If Labour had maybe listened to others we might not be burning through billions of dollars we don’t have whilst we chase a mirage.
The level of division, hatred and contempt is very concerning. The expert/novice anti-vax are not interested in debate. Their way is the only way. Anything else must be wrong.
We know an Auckland vaccination venue has been vandalized in the same way abortion clinics were targeted previously in the States. That situation ended very badly for many that were targeted. The people at the vaccination centre that reported the vandalism were then stood over for having the audacity to report what unfolded to the Police. I’m 100% certain this is the tip of the iceberg. Many victims of such action would not report what occurred to the Police due to fear.
I’m incredulous at the PM’s statement yesterday that there isn’t a lot of anti-vax out there. You can’t be serious? Are you that far removed from the coalface that you can’t see what’s unfolding? Even blind Freddy can see it.
“I’m incredulous at the PM’s statement yesterday that there isn’t a lot of anti-vax out there. You can’t be serious?”
Um, she is probably cognisant that vaccination rates are approaching target levels of 90% of the eligible population.
The thing here is that the police protection could have been diverted by the shocking mother and child antics. I was. I was appalled to see an infant held by a screaming female, surrounded by police, who she was also shouting about. While back in Continental Europe, gypsy robbers and pickpockets used babies in this way, including throwing them to strangers who would instinctively raise their arms to catch them, and get robbed. Using a baby like this, is, as far as I know a new low in New Zealand, and it’s the front line cops who’ll be dealing with it, and with the deranged nutters who the pandemic has triggered.
If Poto Williams and Andrew Coster had to spend a couple of weeks working the front line, the police might have got the priority vaccinations which they should have, and which their union had to beg for, and the cops got their pay increase – even if that risks offending the hoi polloi who hate them. Surprises me that we still have any police left; armed forces involvement may be inevitable.
“…the shocking mother and child antics.”
I hadn’t seen that footage until I clicked on the link in Martyn’s piece above. Nowadays, I try to avoid TV news. I wasn’t overly surprised to see it, in truth: the pandemic and its economic effects have unsurprisingly exacerbated existing mental health problems. And in the far north, it’s combined with longstanding ethno-nationalism, resulting in a toxic brew. Add to that, opposition to this particular vaccine, and the result is what we’ve seen at the PM’s press conference. And the big protests in Auckland, of course.
“…gypsy robbers and pickpockets used babies in this way…”
Heh! Yes indeed. I remember this stuff from Italy, in particular Florence and Rome. Though we managed to avoid being robbed, lucky us.
In my view, the PM ought to have dealt with the heckling as other PMs have done, rather than terminating the press conference. Refusing to engage just entrenches opposition. Yes, I know that it’s difficult, but she’s PM: she’s paid to do the difficult stuff. It’s her job.
At present, we have a very obvious divide in NZ, between orthodox and heterodox opinions. The more the government attempts to convince everybody that it has cornered the market in the correct way to think about the coronavirus and the vaccine, the more entrenched the opposition will become. That’s what we’re seeing now.
At present, we have Auckland family with us. They’ve been here since August, with no foreseeable chance of returning. They might be able to get back across the border, but one of them needs to come back and forth for work: no chance of that at this stage.
We’re all fully vaccinated. I must say that we’re becoming a bit aggrieved at being held hostage to those unvaccinated among us. We’ve done what the government has asked of us: we doubt that any amount of haranguing, persuasion, or throwing more cash at the unvaccinated, will shift the vaccination dial very much.
We think that opening the borders between Auckland and everywhere else, and allowing us freedom of movement, should happen now. No further delays. As a society, we’ll simply have to manage the consequences as best we can.
D’Esterre I saw the footage by chance, posted by the Herald on YouTube, and I have to say that my main focus was that baby on the hip of a seemingly demented mother.
Bert has commented about the future prospects for the little one, and I agree with Bert, but what was happening there and then was a dreadful thing to expose any baby to, and possibly very traumatising for it, so for that one baby’s sake alone, it was good that the situation didn’t escalate. ( The bros Karamazov have thrashed this issue out much better than I ever could.)
But apart from this, I think that the PM was right in not continuing to engage with the hecklers. Confrontation is rarely particularly productive, especially when dealing with irrational nutters, and I would have been pissed off if Ardern had wasted time on the dumbo balding American. I don’t know how half them get into this country, but I have one thick Indian neighbour who is worse, and these people have nothing, absolutely nothing, to add to the good of the community. We don’t need them in New Zealand.
I have no view about opening the border with Auckland, much sympathy for Aucklanders, and zero patience with the self-indulgent ones who have flouted every rule, and put undeserving persons at risk – and have no aversion to horse-whipping.
There aren’t any comments on why the suggested extremism has erupted in NZ in a way that Martyn has never witnessed?
Could it be directly related to the utter incompetence displayed by Labour in delivering anything coupled with things like their tone deaf approach to 3 Waters, their divisive policies and of course the endless, cruel and disgraceful treatment of a million Kiwi’s overseas who can’t come home due to the omnishambles that is MIQ?
Could it be that social media has allowed all the nutbars in creation to come out of the woodwork?
Shame on the lot of you fools.
I thought it was rocks they crawled out from under. I stand corrected . As a slightly irrelevant aside, I have been pondering the “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” quote attributed to Voltaire. It’s a phrase beloved of village idiots seeking their views a bit of the old gravitas. Today I learned that Voltaire said no such thing ever. His biographer Evelyn Beatrice Hall concocted the quote to illustrate Voltaire’s views. Voltaire died in his bed aged 83; Hall popped her clogs at at 87. So apparently they were both just kidding. For those now feeling a bit robbed, here’s a real Voltaire quote: “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
Nice one TD 🙂
Seems to me, that the people who are using vandalism, threats, and intimidation are all anti vax. Don’t recall anyone smashing windows of Nanaia Mahuta’s electoral office because of the Three Waters reforms. Or people threatening Megan Woods with violence over housing.
I know Guy Fawkes is coming up, but perhaps you should keep your straw man out in your yard next to the bonfire, hell, dress it up like the PM if thats what turns you on, but keep it off the internet…
I note that the far right protester is American. I wonder how long he’s been here. If he’s arrived since the beginning of lockdown last year, I wonder how he was able to enter NZ.
“These are people who for the first time in their lives feel economically vulnerable.”
This is most emphatically not true. Anyone involved with the world of small business – as we have been for many years – knows the financial tightrope walked by most at one time or another. Many people walk it most of the time: income is dependent upon clients doing the right thing and paying on time. The past couple of years have been as difficult for small business owners and employees as for anybody else. The only people who’ve been relatively unaffected seem to be public servants.
“….as irresponsible as sending Kennedy to Dallas.”
You do know why John Kennedy was assassinated? If all you know about that awful event is the propaganda version delivered to us by the msm at the time of his murder, and endlessly repeated in the decades since, I recommend to you David Talbot’s “The Devil’s Chessboard”. It’s about Allen Dulles, the CIA and the rise of the US’s secret government.
Talbot doesn’t quite reveal the smoking gun, but he comes as close as, doubtless, he deemed wise. He values his life, after all.
Kennedy’s murder was one of the clumsiest of the CIA’s many crimes, eclipsing even the Bay of Pigs incident some years earlier. And it was the closest it came to being “outed” as the perpetrator of a crime, at least at that stage. I don’t think the situation of the PM is in any way commensurate.
Couldn’t agree more Martyn. I’ve been thinking this for a while based on what I see in social media and emails that people send me.
C’mon Bomber – pull the other one. Heckers are a fine tradition in NZ and every leader should have to face them. Key did, Clark did, Don Brash did. Hell Winston positively loves engaging with them.
Nothing the dribbler did yesterday was in the remote threatening and has every right to heckle and shout questions at the PM in a representative democracy.
Was at a pre election meeting in Helensville supporting Laila Harre of Internet Mana a few years back. FJK arrived and I moved in to have a word with the local MP–who happened to live in Parnell–on the entry ramp. Two guys with curly wires down their necks grabbed me before we could have a chat…
It was for your own protection Tiger, did you have a Ponytail?
Heh, sprung! long haired AND bearded…
Key was looking a bit queasy that night, thought he was on home turf or something, but there was a good sized crowd of non Nats there.
Ha!
Was the guy threatening Ardern or just riding her hard with questions? I wished he would have applied for ‘accreditation’ to enter Ardern’s sacred sanctum of political choreography instead of unloading on her thoughtlessly and mercilessly (“Jess, then Tova, then heckler”).
Bringing in widespread mandates removing personal choices was always going to lead to this.
Had to hide from up to 250 in Whanganui today.
It will be a much bigger crowd in Auckland and hiding from it wont help.
What would standing in front of 200 baying morons achieve?
” To date the Wellington Mandarins have shown no understanding of that”.. Are you being polite, or just giving them the benefit of the doubt… ? Who’s to say these shadows aren’t playing their own game. And who’s to say that they are ultimately working to implement the orders of their ministers, or the orders of those who would usurp them? From what I’ve seen since arriving back, I wouldn’t trust the civil service with a packet of chewing gum, let alone anything that matters to the population… It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest to discover the the Bureaucracy is riddled with “career politicians
who’s only ambition is to curry favor with the colonial power base… Setting up the “socialist” bitch is a great way to impress those arseholes…
Ardern must have expected pushback, if not for the ridiculous flip-flopping improvised rule making or media-driven pseudo science, then for her confirming that two classes of society are needed. They are us, be kind to one another, most transparent government ever?
Okay, media-driven pseudo science, is out, exactly which science should she follow?
From psyop nudge units to the use of celebrities and ‘the science’ experts, from dancing clown nurses in carparks to ‘journalists’ scaring communities, from the perversion of the judicial system to snoop on brown people to the use of criminal gangs to promote their messaging, the establishment has tried it all. The whole system has been captured. Just nasty.
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