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		By: covid is pa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[covid is pa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 21:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200128&quot;&gt;Andrew&lt;/a&gt;.

Is that what they did or do in the UK Andrew?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200128">Andrew</a>.</p>
<p>Is that what they did or do in the UK Andrew?</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 16:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t we just carpet bomb certain areas and then start again?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we just carpet bomb certain areas and then start again?</p>
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		By: James Brown		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 08:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blakes 7 was pretty cool . . remember watching it when I was a kid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blakes 7 was pretty cool . . remember watching it when I was a kid.</p>
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		By: moon_rekt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moon_rekt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 05:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Wellington Bureaucrats worship their new Big Data Fascism, Orac&quot;

Love the Blake&#039;s 7 reference. Cant believe any Wellington bureaucrat looks as cool as them though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wellington Bureaucrats worship their new Big Data Fascism, Orac&#8221;</p>
<p>Love the Blake&#8217;s 7 reference. Cant believe any Wellington bureaucrat looks as cool as them though.</p>
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		By: RobbieWgtn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RobbieWgtn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 03:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200120&quot;&gt;Martyn&lt;/a&gt;.

The whole OT problem starts with people not looking after their own children &#038; claiming it&#039;s someone else&#039;s responsibility to provide for them. NZ is now approaching the 3rd generation of institutionalised welfare dependency creating it&#039;s entirely predictable problems so for anything to change a significant circuit breaker is required.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200120">Martyn</a>.</p>
<p>The whole OT problem starts with people not looking after their own children &amp; claiming it&#8217;s someone else&#8217;s responsibility to provide for them. NZ is now approaching the 3rd generation of institutionalised welfare dependency creating it&#8217;s entirely predictable problems so for anything to change a significant circuit breaker is required.</p>
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		By: Greywarbler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greywarbler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 02:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200121&quot;&gt;Greywarbler&lt;/a&gt;.

This should have gone into another slot!!   I know     https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/03/13/putin-the-masochist-is-more-dangerous-than-putin-the-sadist/

Thought provoking  though.  The Lottery referred to above is interesting and relevant, apparently always in human society.   The scapegoating is particularly bad when it comes to women and children, if... they... didn&#039;t hadn&#039;t got pregnant then ....   People blamed for being people and being affect4ed by their bodies and genes, we know that receives sooo much consideration when you&#039;re transiting but when you are following natural creative paths it&#039;s different.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200121">Greywarbler</a>.</p>
<p>This should have gone into another slot!!   I know     <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/03/13/putin-the-masochist-is-more-dangerous-than-putin-the-sadist/" rel="ugc">https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/03/13/putin-the-masochist-is-more-dangerous-than-putin-the-sadist/</a></p>
<p>Thought provoking  though.  The Lottery referred to above is interesting and relevant, apparently always in human society.   The scapegoating is particularly bad when it comes to women and children, if&#8230; they&#8230; didn&#8217;t hadn&#8217;t got pregnant then &#8230;.   People blamed for being people and being affect4ed by their bodies and genes, we know that receives sooo much consideration when you&#8217;re transiting but when you are following natural creative paths it&#8217;s different.</p>
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		By: Greywarbler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greywarbler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 00:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200119&quot;&gt;Yeti&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeti - You are falling between the cracks here.   From the one view there is a societal problem that needs fixing because it shows up in sad people who can&#039;t live a satisfactorily happy life and are a trouble to themselves and society and, on the other hand. individuals that have developed a set of behaviours that enable them to manage their daily lives in unsatisfactory way to themselves and society but who are stuck in these behaviours.   It could be said that they are conservatives within the lower class of society. and that they are a reverse image of the wealthy who often also don&#039;t lead satisfactory lives.    

What the lower income and class people require is assistance, also along with their friends and whanau, so they can manage their lives more satisfactorily, have achievable goals to work towards that aren&#039;t stomped on by government and its agencies and contractors halfway through, so that every advantage gained is diminished by the cancellation of some other advantage.   They could get off the treadmill of behaviours that lead to bad consequences for them if the effort to change was met with good consequences.   

They feel particularly the bruising from living in a lying world, run by con artists who are in power and are connected to the financilal world.   This world requires skills of duplicity to  negotiate within it.   Those who are unsuccessful in fitting the template required have to make up their own lies to provide them with their own story to fit their daily setting.    Lies we all believe in?   One is that our politicians intend to make NZ better for the people, as they promise.   That is just one lie that we absorb and work around, there are so many others.
A little tale from Denmark&#039;s Hans Christian Anderson about The Emperor&#039;s New Clothes recounts what could happen when reality suddenly appears from the fog of lies and we laugh because it is such a rare and unlikely happening.   And if you have read all of this, it is just long enough for the reader to have dismissed it as rubbish, the vision of the naked truth is unattractive for those used to our daily fanciful fare.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200119">Yeti</a>.</p>
<p>Yeti &#8211; You are falling between the cracks here.   From the one view there is a societal problem that needs fixing because it shows up in sad people who can&#8217;t live a satisfactorily happy life and are a trouble to themselves and society and, on the other hand. individuals that have developed a set of behaviours that enable them to manage their daily lives in unsatisfactory way to themselves and society but who are stuck in these behaviours.   It could be said that they are conservatives within the lower class of society. and that they are a reverse image of the wealthy who often also don&#8217;t lead satisfactory lives.    </p>
<p>What the lower income and class people require is assistance, also along with their friends and whanau, so they can manage their lives more satisfactorily, have achievable goals to work towards that aren&#8217;t stomped on by government and its agencies and contractors halfway through, so that every advantage gained is diminished by the cancellation of some other advantage.   They could get off the treadmill of behaviours that lead to bad consequences for them if the effort to change was met with good consequences.   </p>
<p>They feel particularly the bruising from living in a lying world, run by con artists who are in power and are connected to the financilal world.   This world requires skills of duplicity to  negotiate within it.   Those who are unsuccessful in fitting the template required have to make up their own lies to provide them with their own story to fit their daily setting.    Lies we all believe in?   One is that our politicians intend to make NZ better for the people, as they promise.   That is just one lie that we absorb and work around, there are so many others.<br />
A little tale from Denmark&#8217;s Hans Christian Anderson about The Emperor&#8217;s New Clothes recounts what could happen when reality suddenly appears from the fog of lies and we laugh because it is such a rare and unlikely happening.   And if you have read all of this, it is just long enough for the reader to have dismissed it as rubbish, the vision of the naked truth is unattractive for those used to our daily fanciful fare.</p>
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		By: bert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200119&quot;&gt;Yeti&lt;/a&gt;.

The height of hypocrisy...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-i-was-grateful-to-nz-taxpayers-but-its-time-to-stop-depending-on-the-state/4T2AYGBZCUPWXG3JI34RDUSWPM/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200119">Yeti</a>.</p>
<p>The height of hypocrisy&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-i-was-grateful-to-nz-taxpayers-but-its-time-to-stop-depending-on-the-state/4T2AYGBZCUPWXG3JI34RDUSWPM/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-i-was-grateful-to-nz-taxpayers-but-its-time-to-stop-depending-on-the-state/4T2AYGBZCUPWXG3JI34RDUSWPM/</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greywarbler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2022 23:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Putin - your novel fiend.   Why not try Putin when you are looking for a new person to hate.   Forget all those lesser types doing objectionable, awful things - they&#039;ve lost their novelty, they are shopworn.   Use Putin now as your object of ridicule, the scapegoat of the day, for the heaping of all dissatisfactions. This is how all humans run their lives successfully.    Projection!    Always some scapegoat bears (get it)  all the rotten projections of self (deep psychological analysis here).   

While we are examining behaviours and thinking about those we don&#039;t like and why, we could well read the famous story The Lottery by Shirley Jackson.  It could help to explain how and why we condemn Putin so deeply from the midst of a world neck deep in disgraceful behaviours that no longer traumatise us, if they ever did! 

&lt;i&gt;“The Lottery” is a story which shows the complexity and capability of human behavior. Something immoral, like stoning a person to death once a year, is a normal occurrence. The main character, Tessie Hutchinson, is the victim of the lottery.
The Lottery and Human Behavior - 1674 Words &#124; 123 Help Me
https://www.123helpme.com › essay › The-Lottery-and-H...&lt;/i&gt;

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1948/06/26/the-lottery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putin &#8211; your novel fiend.   Why not try Putin when you are looking for a new person to hate.   Forget all those lesser types doing objectionable, awful things &#8211; they&#8217;ve lost their novelty, they are shopworn.   Use Putin now as your object of ridicule, the scapegoat of the day, for the heaping of all dissatisfactions. This is how all humans run their lives successfully.    Projection!    Always some scapegoat bears (get it)  all the rotten projections of self (deep psychological analysis here).   </p>
<p>While we are examining behaviours and thinking about those we don&#8217;t like and why, we could well read the famous story The Lottery by Shirley Jackson.  It could help to explain how and why we condemn Putin so deeply from the midst of a world neck deep in disgraceful behaviours that no longer traumatise us, if they ever did! </p>
<p><i>“The Lottery” is a story which shows the complexity and capability of human behavior. Something immoral, like stoning a person to death once a year, is a normal occurrence. The main character, Tessie Hutchinson, is the victim of the lottery.<br />
The Lottery and Human Behavior &#8211; 1674 Words | 123 Help Me<br />
<a href="https://www.123helpme.com" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.123helpme.com</a> › essay › The-Lottery-and-H&#8230;</i></p>
<p><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1948/06/26/the-lottery" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1948/06/26/the-lottery</a><br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery</a></p>
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		By: Martyn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2022 20:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200119&quot;&gt;Yeti&lt;/a&gt;.

And Yeti sings the same bullshit apologist shit doesn&#039;t Yeti?

Of course more fucking money is the solution!

Tax the rich and spend it on social infrastructure.

A financial transaction tax would do that.

I am so sick of hearing left wing apologists support scum bag wellington bureaucrats and their &#039;we don&#039;t have any money&#039; crap.

Tax the corporate elites, tax the rich and tax the banks. 

Then we can look after our children.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/why-oranga-tamariki-is-a-neoliberal-welfare-experiment-why-luxon-is-bringing-orac-back-to-life/#comment-200119">Yeti</a>.</p>
<p>And Yeti sings the same bullshit apologist shit doesn&#8217;t Yeti?</p>
<p>Of course more fucking money is the solution!</p>
<p>Tax the rich and spend it on social infrastructure.</p>
<p>A financial transaction tax would do that.</p>
<p>I am so sick of hearing left wing apologists support scum bag wellington bureaucrats and their &#8216;we don&#8217;t have any money&#8217; crap.</p>
<p>Tax the corporate elites, tax the rich and tax the banks. </p>
<p>Then we can look after our children.</p>
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