Certainly the pattern of US wars ever since Vietnam.

Kia ora ano David
States usually go to war when they anticipate a quick and decisive victory. There should be no such anticipations on either side in the case of a war between AUKUS and the PRC. Never-the-less AUKUS are clearly upping the ante and we for that reason alone we cannot rule out the possibility of war. If the US/UK are able to manipulate the Commonwealth of Australia into acquiring nuclear capability targeted at the PRC, then they are probably capable of engineering tensions and provocations in which the PRC feels obligated to launch either a pre-emptive or retaliatory strike against the CA.
My point is that if there is to be a nuclear exchange, or even a conventional weapons conflict, the belligerents are now much more likely to be the CA and the PRC than the US/UK and the PRC. This is because US/UK have set up the CA as a proxy power, and proxies always make or take the first hit. That is their purpose and reason for being.

Make NZ that little bit better Andrew ,,,, Piss off home Pom.

,,,,, have you tried going to Aussie Andrew? ,,,, I bet they rejected your pommy reject arse.,,,,

Despite them being similar to Israel in a few ways. 🙂
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Two lies and the warning about making a third one up

1. the squadron decision resulted in the loss of welfare for Kiwis in Oz.
2. 501’s got dumped here because of something Ardern said.

Now you warn us that if Kiws require visas to visit Oz, you’ll claim its because Ardern noted we have had a nuclear free policy since the 1980’s …

It was Lange who played fast & loose with the ANZUS alliance in order to get re-elected.

It was Clark who scrapped the fighter squadrons without even informing the Aussies. This was particularly irksome because one was based in Northern Territories at the time and provided a measure of cover in the top end. The response just a few weeks later was to deny Kiwis access to welfare over there, .

More recently it was Ardern who publicly lectured Morrison on their policy on illegal immigrants, and not just once either. For that we got the 501s dumped here, and a subsequent gang war back home.

In the latest spat over the new subs, did Ardern really have to say she refuse to let their subs in our territorial waters? (as if she could prevent it!) What did she achieve by that, other than her usual narcissistic grandstanding? And what penalty will we pay this time? Loss of automatic visa rights maybe?

What successive Labour governments have failed to see is that military deals go with deals in other areas such as trade. The result is that we become more isolated, less able to trade and poorer.

Stop crying about it? – You’ve got many of our people over there working and your quite happy to take their taxes but not give them easy path to citizenship if they lose their jobs or have illness, you say ‘tough luck, cobber!”. Meanwhile you send your Aussie learned crim’s back here to NZ aka the 501’s because your too cheap and runty to put them in your own prisons, you slime up to the U$A’s arse and go all nuclear and put us at risk,- and you have the colossal cheek to say we are crying about it?

Guess what, – we never needed you lot and your B.S or your U$A sycophancy and your roll over like a whipped dog mentality and if anyone’s doing any crying?- its YOU.

It wasn’t us who slimed up the U$A’s arse like a tapeworm with no balls and ate shit.

And we, – if we so wanted to be vicious,- could re nationalize and commandeer those property’s , turn ’em into productive uses for trade or on sell to our own people. Its time we stopped the victim mentality thing.

And if that’s the case then NZ becomes a southern fulcrum of strategic worth. I think your fears are a little unfounded but there is some validity. None of us have a crystal ball to peer into the future and the future could be vastly different globally than it is today in 50 years.

But just because we are deemed a fulcrum of strategic worth , albeit a minor one, does not mean that we should sit on our hands. We can do much to quietly extricate ourselves to a more neutral position whereby we are not seen as a direct threat ( which we are not ) because of crazy adherence to greater powers wants via ‘agreements’.

NZ has fought in every major engagement on the behest of someone else during the 20th century. It is time we stopped with the little kid brother act and stated clearly and emphatically where we stand . We have one major advantage to that stance most other country’s don’t: our oceanographic isolation.

And that means invasion, -and the simple act of having to spread the supply lines so thinly for relatively negligible gains, under war time conditions, – cancels us out as a major ground to take. All we are to anybody is a convenient staging post subject to potential ongoing sabotage and guerilla style tactics to hamper and impede.

It took 20 years for the Americans to learn that lesson and almost as much in Vietnam.

So if that is our strengths, lets get on and start taking advantage of them.

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Partially true, but after WW2, England was pretty bust. But they recaptured the global economic dominance by passing discreet laws which involved multiple layers of trusts and front company’s with a strong emphasis on ‘discretion’ regarding disclosure and the use of many, many locations which were , in effect, tax havens. The Caiman Islands, for example. That was how they did it and that is why the Federal Reserve Bank answers to the ‘Square Mile of London’…the heart of the Western banking system.

It was the Europeans who sold Woodrow Wilson the idea of the Federal Reserve,… he knew that would be deemed as ‘ un-American’ so he waited for Congress to dissolve in 1917 for their Christmas break and then signed it.

Afterwards he regretted it until his dying day proclaiming if he had known what would transpire , and that the U$A would forever be indebted to Europe via interest on every dollar minted he would never have done it.