“Perhaps you dont want cops around for some reason?”

Yeah, because our justice system is racist. I’d rather we invested into creating a society where crime is reduced.

I don’t understand how a left-wing blog can publish posts that promote the ‘tough on crime’ perspective.

When did more ambulances at the bottom of the cliff become more desirable? I’d expect this on Kiwiblog or something…

you are talking dribble too. Perhaps you dont want cops around for some reason?

Fatty and others do not agree with you, but I think you are correct on this one.

We have parties that all rush to cater for the “middle ground”, that is the middle class and its sections within, forgetting that society includes more than these people, at the top and AT THE BOTTOM.

So in the US this is nothing new, the “protest” people show is NOT expressed in a political way. They have not developed any political awareness, as they are even discouraged to do so, due to commercial dumbing-down by business and state interests, allowing massive brainwashing by adverts. The state there has failing to provide an environment where people can feel to be part of a “citizen society” (with more equality, involvement and being valued).

We are heading into the same direction as a failed society, forget the hand-wringing about child poverty, about damp, cramped homes, about unaffordable housing and child abuse, crime and the rest.

The ones at the top, even the ones leading the opposition, have lost touch with the common folk, especially the ones at the bottom, those that feel they do not count, they may be on benefits or being denied them, they have nothing, are treated like trash, feel like trash and thus dish out as “trash”, that is angry, neglected and ignored people.

We have dairies, liquor shops and gambling dens run by many new “entrepreneurial” migrants, who realised they could not make it in a profession they are qualified in, so they run easy businesses, to make a living. By the locals they are perceived as outsiders, invaders even, as immigrants that are new, and may not belong and are not accepted, they are easy prey, as they are perceived of being better off and living on the expense of the poor here.

Especially in South Auckland and some other suburbs in NZ cities, this is a common situation and sentiment, so young people with no work, no training, no prospects, they see their middle class youth of the same age afford stuff they cannot, so they just go and take it, one way or another.

Do you really believe the white washed crap we get from government, the statistics about growth, about low unemployment, and all being so “great”?

Get a reality check, some feel as they do not belong, and they do what the same poor do in the US, their form of “protest” is crime, that is sad, but it was forced upon them by a government and society that simply only talks about “caring” but that is highly judgmental, breeds competition, envy, social injustice and therefore deserves nothing else but rebellion, sad it happens in this way, but to me all this is a form of rebellion.

Shopkeepers may arm themselves, but it will only lead to a yet more vicious cycle. Welcome to the divide and rule society that John Key and his mates created, division rules, and hence you get divisive and at times hostile reaction.

There is NO ONE New Zealand anymore, it does NOT exist, it is a divided nation, where we have Darwin’s law, compete, fight, survive, or die.

That’s not dribble at all Dave – crime stats are extremely unreliable.

At best, putting more cops on the street will have little effect. Even if you flood a crime prone area with cops, it will just shift crime to other places. Giuliani did this in New York – he cleaned up some parts like Manhattan, but that just shifted violent crime into undesirable parts of the other boroughs.

“How did redistribution of wealth work in lowering crime in places like Venezuela?”

Redistribution of wealth did not lower crime in Venezuela Gosman because Venezuela never reduced inequality to meaningful levels. There has been a reduction of inequality in Venezuela, but it remains a very unequal society:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Venezuela#Socioeconomic_indicators

Here’s the GINI coefficient. You’ll notice Venezuela are nowhere close to the likes of Norway and Sweden. Venezuela is relatively equal in comparison to Latin and South American countries, but those regions are extremely unequal. Venezuela (39.0 GINI) is closer to USA (43.0) than it is to Denmark (24.8). Likewise, New Zealand (36.2) is closer to USA than it is to Denmark.

HAITI – 59.2
CHILE – 52.1
PANAMA – 51.9
BRAZIL – 51.9
VENEZUELA – 39.0
SWEDEN – 24.9
DENMARK – 24.8

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html

I understand that the neoliberal ideologues like yourself think Charvez created a communist state, but he didn’t. He just nationalised some stuff and helped the poor. Charvez never dismantled the ruling class, and he never redistributed their wealth. Charvez was called a communist by the imperialists because they wanted Venezuela’s oil. It was a fantasy.

Stop believing what you see on Fox News. It’s a comedy channel. Think Gosman, think

what absolute dribble

That redistribution of the commons wealth that has been systematically pilfered through neo liberal practice would go a long way towards alleviating the situation we now find ourselves in – so your quite right.

Yes, and your suggestion is rejected by evidence. It’s costly and ineffective.