I listened to that interview and was very disappointed that Kim Hill didn’t remind Ms Rahman the fact that the person who perpetrated these atrocities was completely unknown to both the NZ & Aussie intelligence services.

I rest my case.

The Informer;

“We allow Fox news to spread their lies and propaganda under the noses of the general public, whilst dog-whistling to those that are “utterly inaccessible to reason”. Indeed, people have had to be deprogrammed in the U.S off Fox “news”. We should ban Fox news outright,”

Whoa, whoa , whoa, there. Not so fast.

If you seriously believe this then you have lost all credibility in anything you
have to say.

“utterly inaccessible to reason” and “people have had to be deprogrammed in the U.S off Fox “news”. We should ban Fox news outright,” are typical phrases that would be used by CNN.

You know, that CIA funded channel that has one of the lowest numbers out of the big 10 that spew nothing but weaponized propaganda 24/7 of a lower quality than cartoon level.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/

With your name and all,have I spotted an international or intelligence troll here?

In your defense, a number of years ago now, (after hearing this from others
as well) an experienced taxi driver told me “Fox fucks news”.

Thinking that he would drive around a few ‘big wigs’ in his time and he should know, the expression stuck with me until I retired and purchased my first computer.

Now having the time and already knowing that MSM were not telling the whole truth half the time I started researching some of the big issues for myself.

Well, what a machine. All that info at your finger tips.

Having a reasonably high IQ and the ability to read scientific papers and such,
it did not take long to figure out what was fact and fiction or propaganda and deception.

How anyone could watch Racheal Maddow or Chris Cuomo, who has made such a big fool of himself lately, is really beyond me.

Looks like “Fox Fucks News” has been a huge successful meme and it’s no wonder when CNN has paid to have their coverage in all airports/transport hubs, hotels/motels, malls/supermarkets etc, etc, etc.

As you can see with link above, Fox has the no 1 viewers platform in
America by far. And that fact was a huge surprise to me.

First I would change your name, then do some research and get educated.

Cheers.

Get that law in place to eliminate the rapid fire weapons and register the remaining guns, and then talk about freedom of speech. (I say that wishing the country in which I reside would heed such advice, and hoping my native land will.)

Finally common sense voices start to be heard

Well said TI!!!!!

I dont know what cloud Chris and his cohort live on but its not the one where 50 people were killed

Chris’s self indulgence comes from being privileged white. No fear for him of being shot down like a dog in his place of worship

“Both 1 News and Newshub put it to the pair that their rejection was, more likely, just free speech in action. The venue owners got some bracing feedback from their community. As Gower later put it, “The market has spoken.” They weren’t having that.”“In terms of an intellectual argument, they totally nailed me,” said a defeated Gower on The Project. His interview demonstrated there’s little to be gained from playing their sort of game. Southern has said diversity causes weakness. New Zealand is known for its diversity, said Gower. “Are you saying New Zealand is weak?” Southern replied by saying he must then believe that women should be stoned for being raped. These are tactics from the playbook of Holocaust deniers and other cranks: change the goal posts, cherry-pick facts, deploy logical fallacies, sow confusion. Generally cause your questioner to lose the will to live.” https://www.noted.co.nz/culture/television/lauren-southern-stefan-molyneux-nz-media-left-provocateurs-rattled/

Anyone who thinks South and Molineux werent advocating violence need to read up what Molineux said next: “Sophisticated is not the word that comes to mind when viewing a video Molyneux has since posted. It’s a call to arms, warning of “the war that is coming”; a frenzied invocation of all kinds of left-wing havoc: “the demonic mob”; “eye of the beast”; “truly dying West”. It’s also a call for alms: “We lost a venue and that’s costly … We take bitcoin …” The reception they got in Auckland clearly rattled him.”

I woulndt be surprised if Tarrant viewed that crap as part of his radicalisation

Maybe NZers standing up to those two neofascists was OUR free speech telling them them THANKS, BUT NOTHANKS, NOW FUCK OFF

free speech works both ways I guess

Lone Comet gets it

As the US NRA comes to NZ to ramp up its organised opposition to Ardern’s call for gun control expect more “Shonas” to magically appear

Secondly and to the point, Chris you said… “Lone wolf terrorists of his sort are not produced by the ignorant racist mutterings of gun club members. Nor are they inspired by the rantings and ravings of social media. That’s not how it works.”… Sorry Chris but you severely underplay how it takes a village to build a terrorist. He was nurtured by his community near and far. He was brought up in Grafton rural Australia (say no more). The gun club members could well have supplied him with the means to illegally modify his assault rifle etc. The media too is to blame for Stochastic terrorism. We allow Fox news to spread their lies and propaganda under the noses of the general public, whilst dog-whistling to those that are “utterly inaccessible to reason”. Indeed, people have had to be deprogrammed in the U.S off Fox “news”.
We should ban Fox news outright, Fire the head of the SIS for chasing Keith Locke and Nicky Hager. Hold Facebook, Google etc, accountable in law (they have technology with bots that can within seconds tell you if your advertising is legal, so why not hate sites and video). And of course ban semi-automatics (Shona).
Sure we had an unwanted import of global terrorism, but we are not entirely faultless.
We may not have started the fire but we kept it burning bright.

CC: “We, as a nation, need to admit that we have responsibility for the evil deeds of Tarrant and his fellow travellers”

No. We do not. Blaming an entire country for the crimes of an Australian immigrant is a step much too far.

“…though our ‘she’ll be right’ liberalism.”

And isn’t it just this aspect of our culture which attracts refugees from repressive countries and conflict zones? What do you want to do: turn us into the sort of society from which those refugees have fled?

Chris Trotter is right when he says, “We must not allow the unanimity of our grief to be translated into a demand for unanimity of opinion.”

I’m certain that you would not want to live in a country so transformed. I’m equally certain that I wouldn’t either.

Welcome then to a world of anti vaccers, white supremacists, nut jobs who believe in anything from the world is flat to Obama is not a US citizen to anyone who is not your religion is the ‘other’.

The world needs to eradicates neoliberalism and replaces it with a better solution of world governance for all people and fairness to all rather than rampant worldwide profiteering. The fall out of that policy is driving people into all sorts of individualistic rages and delusions as their identity and society is threatened and the rise of political groups to ‘belong’ to that then start taking it out of ordinary people that they don’t even know but hate anyway.

Part of the responsibility for the attacks are the pathetic gun laws here which in spite of 3 enquiries have left any migrant, visitor to NZ and Kiwi able to buy semi automatic weapons! Not sure if true, but visitors don’t even have to do a test and can get a gun with a piece of paper from their home country. Why the fuck would anyone need semi automatic weapons in NZ especially if they were just visiting and had a job as a personal trainer? Nobody in NZ needs semi automatic weapons from farmers to visitors here apart from the military!

The attacker never planned to commit the act in NZ, and would not have been able to massacre as many people in OZ because they have stricter gun laws and no doubt he could have been over powered sooner.

These ‘lone wolf’ types are the types of people the government LOVES to attract into NZ. Aka young men and women with low paid jobs, little education or a fake one, few prospects and make them ‘compete’ with others. Increasingly they might start to find meaning outside their low paid blue collar job, perfect for recruitment into some fucked up cause, like white supremacist or some other fucked up religious or political agenda here or overseas?????

You just need Laissez-faire gun controls from the above fucked up policies and viola!

What I find weird is that businesses are so quick to denounce Facebook but I betcha some of the businesses leading the ‘rage’ have financial funds in gun companies and supported the Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria/Yeman invasion that have killed a lot more muslims in cold blood!

Hypocrisy is everywhere on this issue.