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		By: CLEANGREEN		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12767</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2016 11:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This one hour long Nicky Hagar produced very good video story of John Key backstabbing Don Brash to become leader of National in 2005 when he arranged with The exclusive Bretheren to taint Don Brash as he tied him to circulation of illegal posters in the first case of dirty politics.

Then Key flies to Australia and hires Crosby Textor as he prepares for the 2008 election, so perhaps Crosby Textor had a hand in our Electoral Commission use of doggy voting systems too for our election then???.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NBQSU9btnw&#038;ebc=ANyPxKpMXpGuxziBQPIiTbkarsZW612C7vMBoU_o2QfFuZG1ZBiuQ0X0j69i_jGYTptVf2oEDjLqCWddpC9gpk4itDLHI5QSNQ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one hour long Nicky Hagar produced very good video story of John Key backstabbing Don Brash to become leader of National in 2005 when he arranged with The exclusive Bretheren to taint Don Brash as he tied him to circulation of illegal posters in the first case of dirty politics.</p>
<p>Then Key flies to Australia and hires Crosby Textor as he prepares for the 2008 election, so perhaps Crosby Textor had a hand in our Electoral Commission use of doggy voting systems too for our election then???.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NBQSU9btnw&#038;ebc=ANyPxKpMXpGuxziBQPIiTbkarsZW612C7vMBoU_o2QfFuZG1ZBiuQ0X0j69i_jGYTptVf2oEDjLqCWddpC9gpk4itDLHI5QSNQ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NBQSU9btnw&#038;ebc=ANyPxKpMXpGuxziBQPIiTbkarsZW612C7vMBoU_o2QfFuZG1ZBiuQ0X0j69i_jGYTptVf2oEDjLqCWddpC9gpk4itDLHI5QSNQ</a></p>
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		By: Words		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12766</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2016 10:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12764&quot;&gt;OneTrack&lt;/a&gt;.

The facts say that the Labour government ran the country a hell of a lot better than the failed National government. As PM John key has been an abject failure and a traitor, the worst pm this country has ever had. History will not look kindly on John key&#039;s tenure of treason and economic and social destruction.  

So pleased the majority of voters did kick John key&#039;s butt, he deserved it. John key&#039;s failed flag legacy wasn&#039;t a democratic process to start with. It wasn&#039;t Labour or the Green&#039;s policy to change the flag. Labour wanted a review/discussion, which is not the same as actively changing it like John Key tried to do. 

John Key showed his arrogance and nasty side again and again by ignoring the majority who were against changing the flag from the outset. He also ignored Labour&#039;s request to at least include a yes/no question in the first ref to save the tax payer a lot money, when it became clear John key was still going to ram it down our throats anyway.

Anyone who still blindly supports John key like you do after all that has occurred over the last 7 and half years is a traitor to this country and its people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12764">OneTrack</a>.</p>
<p>The facts say that the Labour government ran the country a hell of a lot better than the failed National government. As PM John key has been an abject failure and a traitor, the worst pm this country has ever had. History will not look kindly on John key&#8217;s tenure of treason and economic and social destruction.  </p>
<p>So pleased the majority of voters did kick John key&#8217;s butt, he deserved it. John key&#8217;s failed flag legacy wasn&#8217;t a democratic process to start with. It wasn&#8217;t Labour or the Green&#8217;s policy to change the flag. Labour wanted a review/discussion, which is not the same as actively changing it like John Key tried to do. </p>
<p>John Key showed his arrogance and nasty side again and again by ignoring the majority who were against changing the flag from the outset. He also ignored Labour&#8217;s request to at least include a yes/no question in the first ref to save the tax payer a lot money, when it became clear John key was still going to ram it down our throats anyway.</p>
<p>Anyone who still blindly supports John key like you do after all that has occurred over the last 7 and half years is a traitor to this country and its people.</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2016 02:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12764&quot;&gt;OneTrack&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The blame is for Labour and the Greens reaction to “John Keys mess”&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Oh, really, OneTrack?!

You know, if Labour/Grens were so persuasive as you suggest, why didn&#039;t they win the last election?

You Righties are hilarious; blaming anyone/everyone else for your f**kups. What happened to all the Personal Responsibility you lot are so keen to demand from everyone else?! Why don&#039;t you demand Personal Responsibility from your esteemed glorious leader?

I&#039;ll tell you why - because you lost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12764">OneTrack</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The blame is for Labour and the Greens reaction to “John Keys mess”</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, really, OneTrack?!</p>
<p>You know, if Labour/Grens were so persuasive as you suggest, why didn&#8217;t they win the last election?</p>
<p>You Righties are hilarious; blaming anyone/everyone else for your f**kups. What happened to all the Personal Responsibility you lot are so keen to demand from everyone else?! Why don&#8217;t you demand Personal Responsibility from your esteemed glorious leader?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you why &#8211; because you lost.</p>
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		By: OneTrack		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2016 01:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12759&quot;&gt;Words&lt;/a&gt;.

The blame is for Labour and the Greens reaction to &quot;John Keys mess&quot;.  They were simply unable to take the high road, which would have been to support their own policies for a flag change and fully engage with the process.  Oh no, it was far more important to them to show their nasty side and act to &quot;Get John Key&quot;.  I am so glad they don&#039;t run the country and I fear for New Zealand if they ever get the chance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12759">Words</a>.</p>
<p>The blame is for Labour and the Greens reaction to &#8220;John Keys mess&#8221;.  They were simply unable to take the high road, which would have been to support their own policies for a flag change and fully engage with the process.  Oh no, it was far more important to them to show their nasty side and act to &#8220;Get John Key&#8221;.  I am so glad they don&#8217;t run the country and I fear for New Zealand if they ever get the chance.</p>
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		By: CLEANGREEN		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12763</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CLEANGREEN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 23:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12756&quot;&gt;Kim dandy&lt;/a&gt;.

THANK YOU KIM DANDY,

WE KNOW THE DOGGY VOTING ISSUES ARE VERY CORRUPTED VOTING AND PM KEY OR HIS ACCOMPICES MAY HAVE USED THIS AS HIS WAY OF STORMING OUR COUNTRY EIGHT YEARS AGO AS ALL THIS BEGAN WHERE HE WAS LAST RESIDING?

WATCH THE WHOLESET OF THIS COMPLIATION OF PROGRAMMER CLINT CURTIS AS HE BEGINS HIS 6YR EXPOSE&#039; OF THE CORRUPTN VOTING SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW APON US.

DESEMINATE THIS TO ALL FOLKS YOU CAN PLEASE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBtfiRKaVY&#038;ebc=ANyPxKqWPE89j0sOWw1wIvcn84ky9SLJcTkK3KQ-0QCxLHYp-Lp0XwxjokocnbWg8Yx6zVVD3TdyjFu3ObaIRvKOLdptKU7SSQ

Uploaded on Jul 29, 2009

Murders Spies And Voting Life&#039;s: 

The Clint Curtis Story is an incredible documentary which tells the story of a computer programmer who was contacted by a private company&#039; with ties to convicted Chinese spies, to write a program that could be used to rig elections...

What follows is the breaking of a massive conspiracy in which there would be hard evidence of vote]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12756">Kim dandy</a>.</p>
<p>THANK YOU KIM DANDY,</p>
<p>WE KNOW THE DOGGY VOTING ISSUES ARE VERY CORRUPTED VOTING AND PM KEY OR HIS ACCOMPICES MAY HAVE USED THIS AS HIS WAY OF STORMING OUR COUNTRY EIGHT YEARS AGO AS ALL THIS BEGAN WHERE HE WAS LAST RESIDING?</p>
<p>WATCH THE WHOLESET OF THIS COMPLIATION OF PROGRAMMER CLINT CURTIS AS HE BEGINS HIS 6YR EXPOSE&#8217; OF THE CORRUPTN VOTING SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW APON US.</p>
<p>DESEMINATE THIS TO ALL FOLKS YOU CAN PLEASE.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBtfiRKaVY&#038;ebc=ANyPxKqWPE89j0sOWw1wIvcn84ky9SLJcTkK3KQ-0QCxLHYp-Lp0XwxjokocnbWg8Yx6zVVD3TdyjFu3ObaIRvKOLdptKU7SSQ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBtfiRKaVY&#038;ebc=ANyPxKqWPE89j0sOWw1wIvcn84ky9SLJcTkK3KQ-0QCxLHYp-Lp0XwxjokocnbWg8Yx6zVVD3TdyjFu3ObaIRvKOLdptKU7SSQ</a></p>
<p>Uploaded on Jul 29, 2009</p>
<p>Murders Spies And Voting Life&#8217;s: </p>
<p>The Clint Curtis Story is an incredible documentary which tells the story of a computer programmer who was contacted by a private company&#8217; with ties to convicted Chinese spies, to write a program that could be used to rig elections&#8230;</p>
<p>What follows is the breaking of a massive conspiracy in which there would be hard evidence of vote</p>
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		By: CLEANGREEN		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12762</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CLEANGREEN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12760&quot;&gt;Words&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes thanks words,

We in NZ are right now being targeted for a electronic internet voting trial for the next election!

So we need to keep the paper voting papers to hold a backup independent manual recount audit, to see if these electronic internet voting systems are actually safe/accurate and free from hacking as they are reported to be prone to we are advised now.

Opposition Parties must require that we keep the paper voting papers for at least six moths not the usual 28 days.


So we can independently challenge any &quot;Doggy&quot; 2017 election results after they electronically tabulate those manual paper votes.

And also make sure that we keep our right to hold the election using the paper voting system, as our backup audit in case we are critical of the doggy election results again next time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12760">Words</a>.</p>
<p>Yes thanks words,</p>
<p>We in NZ are right now being targeted for a electronic internet voting trial for the next election!</p>
<p>So we need to keep the paper voting papers to hold a backup independent manual recount audit, to see if these electronic internet voting systems are actually safe/accurate and free from hacking as they are reported to be prone to we are advised now.</p>
<p>Opposition Parties must require that we keep the paper voting papers for at least six moths not the usual 28 days.</p>
<p>So we can independently challenge any &#8220;Doggy&#8221; 2017 election results after they electronically tabulate those manual paper votes.</p>
<p>And also make sure that we keep our right to hold the election using the paper voting system, as our backup audit in case we are critical of the doggy election results again next time.</p>
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		By: richarquis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 10:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12749&quot;&gt;The Other Donald&lt;/a&gt;.

No problem, just bill that to the Parliamentary Leaders&#039; budget.

JK.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12749">The Other Donald</a>.</p>
<p>No problem, just bill that to the Parliamentary Leaders&#8217; budget.</p>
<p>JK.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 06:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12754&quot;&gt;CLEANGREEN&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you,  thank thank, thankyou Cleangreen. Most people with their eyes open know dirty National has been rigging the system, and as pointed out in other threads,  I do not have any faith in the Electoral Commission as it has been corrupted.  Another point,  no one from the left would ever party vote National. The 2014 election in particular,  really did expose that there was something inherently dodgy going on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12754">CLEANGREEN</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you,  thank thank, thankyou Cleangreen. Most people with their eyes open know dirty National has been rigging the system, and as pointed out in other threads,  I do not have any faith in the Electoral Commission as it has been corrupted.  Another point,  no one from the left would ever party vote National. The 2014 election in particular,  really did expose that there was something inherently dodgy going on.</p>
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		By: Words		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 05:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12751&quot;&gt;aja&lt;/a&gt;.

Why blame Labour for John key&#039;s mess? Doubt you voted Labour in the first place. It was John key who politicized it and broke parliamentary rules. Bet you will continue to support John key&#039;s corruption anyway. Andrew Little voted to keep the flag.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12751">aja</a>.</p>
<p>Why blame Labour for John key&#8217;s mess? Doubt you voted Labour in the first place. It was John key who politicized it and broke parliamentary rules. Bet you will continue to support John key&#8217;s corruption anyway. Andrew Little voted to keep the flag.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 05:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/unpopular-opinion-the-flag-debate-hasnt-been-a-huge-defeat-for-key/#comment-12752&quot;&gt;aja&lt;/a&gt;.

National did far worse ONLY 20.93% in 2002. Does that help you and make you feel better?]]></description>
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<p>National did far worse ONLY 20.93% in 2002. Does that help you and make you feel better?</p>
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