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		By: Mjolnir		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/special-investigation-democracy-denied-labours-saddest-failing/#comment-94775</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mjolnir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2018 05:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So no responsd from Jays? I guess this issue was too taxinb for his limited cranial capacity. Aside ftom a couple of knee jerks, that appears to be  the limit of his &quot;reasoning&quot;.  Poor Jays, no way for him to get back to the Victorian Era.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So no responsd from Jays? I guess this issue was too taxinb for his limited cranial capacity. Aside ftom a couple of knee jerks, that appears to be  the limit of his &#8220;reasoning&#8221;.  Poor Jays, no way for him to get back to the Victorian Era.</p>
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		By: Michelle		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/special-investigation-democracy-denied-labours-saddest-failing/#comment-94774</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2018 01:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/special-investigation-democracy-denied-labours-saddest-failing/#comment-94773&quot;&gt;Marc&lt;/a&gt;.

Its called a trade off Marc you cant get your way all of the time unless you have the numbers that is why the RMA changes weren&#039;t passed the gnatties didn&#039;t have the support to get it passed as Cullen and the Maori party would not support the changes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/special-investigation-democracy-denied-labours-saddest-failing/#comment-94773">Marc</a>.</p>
<p>Its called a trade off Marc you cant get your way all of the time unless you have the numbers that is why the RMA changes weren&#8217;t passed the gnatties didn&#8217;t have the support to get it passed as Cullen and the Maori party would not support the changes.</p>
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		By: Marc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2018 03:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/special-investigation-democracy-denied-labours-saddest-failing/#comment-94763&quot;&gt;Alan&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t worry, they will get the soft former Nat voters, or swing voters, primarily females from the middle class suburbs will vote for them, mainly because of &#039;Jacinda Dear&#039;. 

Labour have again betrayed their activists, who they always appeal to for help for when in crisis, and before and election. Conveniently used and abused, again and again, it seems.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/special-investigation-democracy-denied-labours-saddest-failing/#comment-94763">Alan</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry, they will get the soft former Nat voters, or swing voters, primarily females from the middle class suburbs will vote for them, mainly because of &#8216;Jacinda Dear&#8217;. </p>
<p>Labour have again betrayed their activists, who they always appeal to for help for when in crisis, and before and election. Conveniently used and abused, again and again, it seems.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for an excellent article Frank.  This fundamentally anti-democratic piece of National Party electoral gerrymandering should be repealed promptly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for an excellent article Frank.  This fundamentally anti-democratic piece of National Party electoral gerrymandering should be repealed promptly.</p>
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		By: sevorges		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sevorges]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is the rationale behind prisoners being excluded from voting? Apart from further punishment and political grandstanding for the harsher sentencing brigade, that is. 

The call could be to repeal Quinn&#039;s under 3 year imprisonment bill. But why stop there; why not give all prisoners the vote? That would take away any drive to lock up people for political reasons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the rationale behind prisoners being excluded from voting? Apart from further punishment and political grandstanding for the harsher sentencing brigade, that is. </p>
<p>The call could be to repeal Quinn&#8217;s under 3 year imprisonment bill. But why stop there; why not give all prisoners the vote? That would take away any drive to lock up people for political reasons.</p>
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		By: saveNZ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saveNZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2018 21:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What about people who should be doing jail time and get off because they can afford a good lawyer and those the get jail time because they don&#039;t have a good lawyer and didn&#039;t even do the crime or it is justified in some way. 

What annoys me about the Czech is that he seems to be a highly privileged  kick boxer star (therefore deemed to be a person of great importance in the eyes of politicians)  person who screws up repeatedly into criminal behaviour  and our bungling immigration system and poor judgement from our government ministers, gives him another free pass at the expense of the taxpayers struggling in NZ and when he has ABUNDANT other options once deported, where is exactly he should be and never allowed in NZ again. Will the NZ government get it right, or are they going to rub people&#039;s noses in it, again, by allowing this guy to stay on humanitarian grounds or being a nark! What a crock!

Any migrant who ends up in jail should have their assets seized like the do to Kiwis and that pays for their stay. Aka his share of that 2 million Remuera mansion paid back to the justice system and then he be deported with his own assets paying for his deportation. 

The courts seem to have no issue taking from Kiwi criminals but then are happy allowing migrant criminals to profit from living here, even if they are costing hundreds of thousands in prison and stealing from others or illegally speculating on property. 

Why is our government so interested in supporting rich migrant bludgers and giving them the red carpet treatment for residency  while throwing away the key to their own people, who some of in jail never knew a day of privilege in their entire lives and the state probably has a lot of blame in the situation if they were in care during their youth????]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about people who should be doing jail time and get off because they can afford a good lawyer and those the get jail time because they don&#8217;t have a good lawyer and didn&#8217;t even do the crime or it is justified in some way. </p>
<p>What annoys me about the Czech is that he seems to be a highly privileged  kick boxer star (therefore deemed to be a person of great importance in the eyes of politicians)  person who screws up repeatedly into criminal behaviour  and our bungling immigration system and poor judgement from our government ministers, gives him another free pass at the expense of the taxpayers struggling in NZ and when he has ABUNDANT other options once deported, where is exactly he should be and never allowed in NZ again. Will the NZ government get it right, or are they going to rub people&#8217;s noses in it, again, by allowing this guy to stay on humanitarian grounds or being a nark! What a crock!</p>
<p>Any migrant who ends up in jail should have their assets seized like the do to Kiwis and that pays for their stay. Aka his share of that 2 million Remuera mansion paid back to the justice system and then he be deported with his own assets paying for his deportation. </p>
<p>The courts seem to have no issue taking from Kiwi criminals but then are happy allowing migrant criminals to profit from living here, even if they are costing hundreds of thousands in prison and stealing from others or illegally speculating on property. </p>
<p>Why is our government so interested in supporting rich migrant bludgers and giving them the red carpet treatment for residency  while throwing away the key to their own people, who some of in jail never knew a day of privilege in their entire lives and the state probably has a lot of blame in the situation if they were in care during their youth????</p>
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		By: Mjolnir		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mjolnir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2018 21:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A very simplistic, one-eyed view of things, Jays. Frank has presented an in-depth look at the issue and you&#039;ve responded with a parroted comment that is lettle better than a knee-jerk.

How do you reintergrate prisoners into society if you completely cut them off from that same society? Any ideas?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very simplistic, one-eyed view of things, Jays. Frank has presented an in-depth look at the issue and you&#8217;ve responded with a parroted comment that is lettle better than a knee-jerk.</p>
<p>How do you reintergrate prisoners into society if you completely cut them off from that same society? Any ideas?</p>
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		By: Janio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2018 11:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another (very good) example of the political system as an idiot. I think those who reject it altogether are ahead of the rest of us - they&#039;re part of a class but probably not yet class conscious. This points to real change (more than reform) coming about from class conscious workers acting together to throw away the old systems that exploit them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another (very good) example of the political system as an idiot. I think those who reject it altogether are ahead of the rest of us &#8211; they&#8217;re part of a class but probably not yet class conscious. This points to real change (more than reform) coming about from class conscious workers acting together to throw away the old systems that exploit them.</p>
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		By: Marc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2018 07:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe Winston does not like prisoners being allowed to vote? He can put the brake on almost anything, as I observe it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Winston does not like prisoners being allowed to vote? He can put the brake on almost anything, as I observe it.</p>
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		By: Mjolnir		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mjolnir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2018 05:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent analysis Frank. For Labour to be so dismissive of something as critical as the right to vote beggars belief. Its the sott of crap we came to expect ftom the Nats, not from a supposedly progressive party. This is disappointing to put it mildly.

Come on Andrew Little, GET SOME GUTS!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis Frank. For Labour to be so dismissive of something as critical as the right to vote beggars belief. Its the sott of crap we came to expect ftom the Nats, not from a supposedly progressive party. This is disappointing to put it mildly.</p>
<p>Come on Andrew Little, GET SOME GUTS!!</p>
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