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		By: Susan		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/some-babies-are-more-special-than-others/#comment-21071</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2016 00:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/nicola-willis-blames-us-tariffs-for-gdp-crash-but-the-tariffs-didnt-come-into-effect-until-august/#comment-342051&quot;&gt;Richard Christie&lt;/a&gt;.

Andrew
I accept the thrust of your argument re the effect on businesses of a key employees taking time out.  But this is a different issue from whether leave is paid or not and how much. My argument is that PPL is a lottery-being tied to fulfilling requirement of paid work even though it is a tax funded not employer funded scheme and is suppose to be in the best interests of babies. My preference is to pay all mothers of newborns the same amount and pay for that by combining the costs of PPL with the parental tax credit, in work tax credit, and childcare subsidies for those under one year. I don&#039;t see the point in limiting contact with the workplace - mothers can use the money to pay for nannies etc if they choose and see fit.   Australia does this all much better than we do]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/nicola-willis-blames-us-tariffs-for-gdp-crash-but-the-tariffs-didnt-come-into-effect-until-august/#comment-342051">Richard Christie</a>.</p>
<p>Andrew<br />
I accept the thrust of your argument re the effect on businesses of a key employees taking time out.  But this is a different issue from whether leave is paid or not and how much. My argument is that PPL is a lottery-being tied to fulfilling requirement of paid work even though it is a tax funded not employer funded scheme and is suppose to be in the best interests of babies. My preference is to pay all mothers of newborns the same amount and pay for that by combining the costs of PPL with the parental tax credit, in work tax credit, and childcare subsidies for those under one year. I don&#8217;t see the point in limiting contact with the workplace &#8211; mothers can use the money to pay for nannies etc if they choose and see fit.   Australia does this all much better than we do</p>
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		By: Susan St John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan St John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 07:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/in-occupied-palestine-14-september-2025/#comment-341618&quot;&gt;stephen lennon&lt;/a&gt;.

I cant see how it would as it is not funded by the employer?  6 months out of the workforce would not require retraining surely? 

 The point is there is no obligation to go back to work and the comment in the last sentence  if it is true is true  independently of PPL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/in-occupied-palestine-14-september-2025/#comment-341618">stephen lennon</a>.</p>
<p>I cant see how it would as it is not funded by the employer?  6 months out of the workforce would not require retraining surely? </p>
<p> The point is there is no obligation to go back to work and the comment in the last sentence  if it is true is true  independently of PPL.</p>
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		By: Susan St John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan St John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/charlie-kirk-was-a-christofascist-hate-grifter-not-a-free-speech-champion-i-wont-celebrate-his-death-but-i-wont-martyr-it-either/#comment-341259&quot;&gt;Lone Comet&lt;/a&gt;.

On that reasoning it is surprising they vetoed this bill as the PPL  excludes the worst off and goes without any income test to high income families]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/charlie-kirk-was-a-christofascist-hate-grifter-not-a-free-speech-champion-i-wont-celebrate-his-death-but-i-wont-martyr-it-either/#comment-341259">Lone Comet</a>.</p>
<p>On that reasoning it is surprising they vetoed this bill as the PPL  excludes the worst off and goes without any income test to high income families</p>
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		By: Susan St John		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/some-babies-are-more-special-than-others/#comment-21068</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan St John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/some-babies-are-more-special-than-others/#comment-21065&quot;&gt;Dorothy Bulling&lt;/a&gt;.

Frank
by that reasoning the industry of child rearing should collapse as it is totally  propped up by the unpaid work of mothers.
Surely the issue here is that PPL is a tax funded payment to support babies and mothers- why should she miss out? PPL only replaces lost income and if you dont earn any regardless of how many hours you work you dont get any or the very minimum]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/some-babies-are-more-special-than-others/#comment-21065">Dorothy Bulling</a>.</p>
<p>Frank<br />
by that reasoning the industry of child rearing should collapse as it is totally  propped up by the unpaid work of mothers.<br />
Surely the issue here is that PPL is a tax funded payment to support babies and mothers- why should she miss out? PPL only replaces lost income and if you dont earn any regardless of how many hours you work you dont get any or the very minimum</p>
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		By: Kim dandy		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/some-babies-are-more-special-than-others/#comment-21067</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim dandy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a citizen of New Zealand I would like to veto it back in! Maybe an extremely large signed petition placed on the National parties desk showing how many votes they are likely to lose over this one, may help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a citizen of New Zealand I would like to veto it back in! Maybe an extremely large signed petition placed on the National parties desk showing how many votes they are likely to lose over this one, may help.</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Macskasy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/some-babies-are-more-special-than-others/#comment-21065&quot;&gt;Dorothy Bulling&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;business can’t afford to pay anyone else,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps that business is so grossly under-capitalised that it&#039;s going to collapse anyway. Why should a new &quot;young mum&quot; have to prop up a failing business at the expense of her family?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/some-babies-are-more-special-than-others/#comment-21065">Dorothy Bulling</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>business can’t afford to pay anyone else,</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps that business is so grossly under-capitalised that it&#8217;s going to collapse anyway. Why should a new &#8220;young mum&#8221; have to prop up a failing business at the expense of her family?</p>
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		By: Dorothy Bulling		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dorothy Bulling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to know what will happen where a mother is an integral part of a family business, working in it, often for very little, has a child, business can&#039;t afford to pay anyone else, so young mum fits the work around the child&#039;s needs. I have been in this situation with 4 children over 10 years. I presume that there would be no paid psrental leave in this situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know what will happen where a mother is an integral part of a family business, working in it, often for very little, has a child, business can&#8217;t afford to pay anyone else, so young mum fits the work around the child&#8217;s needs. I have been in this situation with 4 children over 10 years. I presume that there would be no paid psrental leave in this situation.</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/some-babies-are-more-special-than-others/#comment-21064</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2016 23:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tl;dr (will at some stage) I like what the Swedes do, 18 months split between mother and father how they wish, but not more than 12 months for any one.

This also means women don&#039;t have as big a hit to their career since their male coworkers also tend to take leave.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tl;dr (will at some stage) I like what the Swedes do, 18 months split between mother and father how they wish, but not more than 12 months for any one.</p>
<p>This also means women don&#8217;t have as big a hit to their career since their male coworkers also tend to take leave.</p>
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