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		By: Janio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2019 23:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where&#039;s my post praising Hillary&#039;s comments? A voice of reason, she covers the ground of the conversations on this blog, shows up the zealots. Is this too much for you Martyn? You who thinks that the Green MPs know better than the voters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s my post praising Hillary&#8217;s comments? A voice of reason, she covers the ground of the conversations on this blog, shows up the zealots. Is this too much for you Martyn? You who thinks that the Green MPs know better than the voters.</p>
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		By: Janio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2019 22:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hillary, yours is a voice of reason. You cover critical points and in doing so, expose the weak claims of the zealots.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary, yours is a voice of reason. You cover critical points and in doing so, expose the weak claims of the zealots.</p>
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		By: Mjolnir		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100532</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mjolnir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2019 09:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100522&quot;&gt;Frank Macskasy&lt;/a&gt;.

Let us know if you get anything eh Frank.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100522">Frank Macskasy</a>.</p>
<p>Let us know if you get anything eh Frank.</p>
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		By: Mjolnir		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mjolnir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2019 09:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100529&quot;&gt;Lynn Williams-Myers&lt;/a&gt;.

Lynn, is that blog connected to the BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL or not?? Or is it just using the BMJ initials???

Unless you can show us where its connected to the British Medical Journal, I call bull shit. Its a fake news site exploiting the initials of the British Medical Jounal.

I trust I&#039;m fairly clear on this??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100529">Lynn Williams-Myers</a>.</p>
<p>Lynn, is that blog connected to the BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL or not?? Or is it just using the BMJ initials???</p>
<p>Unless you can show us where its connected to the British Medical Journal, I call bull shit. Its a fake news site exploiting the initials of the British Medical Jounal.</p>
<p>I trust I&#8217;m fairly clear on this??</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Macskasy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2019 07:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100529&quot;&gt;Lynn Williams-Myers&lt;/a&gt;.

Lynn, the BMJ blog  is unconnected to the British medical Association.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100529">Lynn Williams-Myers</a>.</p>
<p>Lynn, the BMJ blog  is unconnected to the British medical Association.</p>
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		By: Lynn Williams-Myers		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100529</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn Williams-Myers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2019 07:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100524&quot;&gt;Mjolnir&lt;/a&gt;.

Suggest you check out the provenance and look at the editorial board of the site which is owned by the BMJ.  
Might also be a good idea to read the article before you dismiss it as &#039;fake news&#039;.
 It&#039;s written by :
Professor Carl Heneghan
Editor in Chief BMJ EBM, Professor of EBM, University of Oxford, Director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine and a practising GP &#038; clinical epidemiologist; and,
Professor Tom Jefferson who is a physician, researcher and campaigner for access to randomised controlled trial data; Senior Associate Tutor University of Oxford;
Visiting Professor Institute of Health &#038; Society, Faculty of Medicine, Newcastle University]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100524">Mjolnir</a>.</p>
<p>Suggest you check out the provenance and look at the editorial board of the site which is owned by the BMJ.<br />
Might also be a good idea to read the article before you dismiss it as &#8216;fake news&#8217;.<br />
 It&#8217;s written by :<br />
Professor Carl Heneghan<br />
Editor in Chief BMJ EBM, Professor of EBM, University of Oxford, Director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine and a practising GP &amp; clinical epidemiologist; and,<br />
Professor Tom Jefferson who is a physician, researcher and campaigner for access to randomised controlled trial data; Senior Associate Tutor University of Oxford;<br />
Visiting Professor Institute of Health &amp; Society, Faculty of Medicine, Newcastle University</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100526&quot;&gt;John W&lt;/a&gt;.

I know for a fact genetics plays a humongous part and I&#039;ll prove it. Richie McCaw and Danial Carter both had career ending injuries but for the sack of there mental health and job prospects they were able to receive reconstructive surgery so that they could return to sports &quot;entertainment&quot; to complete there carriers as All Blacks. Every All Black is born with an oval ball in there hands and non of them will dispute that. There brains are just wired differently to kick, pass or run it. You can copy the All Blacks training regimes, language and gimmicks but you can&#039;t take that brain, molded by thousands of kilometres of running and learning their craft and put it in another brain. If you could we&#039;d all be all blacks. 

You can say the same for trans people. You can&#039;t take there brain guided by thousands of hours of knowing they&#039;re in the wrong body and leave it in the wrong body because they ain&#039;t playing games.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100526">John W</a>.</p>
<p>I know for a fact genetics plays a humongous part and I&#8217;ll prove it. Richie McCaw and Danial Carter both had career ending injuries but for the sack of there mental health and job prospects they were able to receive reconstructive surgery so that they could return to sports &#8220;entertainment&#8221; to complete there carriers as All Blacks. Every All Black is born with an oval ball in there hands and non of them will dispute that. There brains are just wired differently to kick, pass or run it. You can copy the All Blacks training regimes, language and gimmicks but you can&#8217;t take that brain, molded by thousands of kilometres of running and learning their craft and put it in another brain. If you could we&#8217;d all be all blacks. </p>
<p>You can say the same for trans people. You can&#8217;t take there brain guided by thousands of hours of knowing they&#8217;re in the wrong body and leave it in the wrong body because they ain&#8217;t playing games.</p>
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		By: Mjolnir		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mjolnir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100525&quot;&gt;Janio&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I don’t hate trans people. I dislike what a minority of them do when they attack women.&quot;

Funny though how you fixate on the &quot;minority&quot; Janio. Why is that?

I&#039;m reminded of racists who deny their racism with the cliche, &quot;I&#039;m not racist, some of my best friends are [insert ethnic minority here].&quot;

&quot;Protecting children is the basis of a raft of laws. They should be protected against the consequences of making life changing decisions before they are adults.&quot;

Again, you use one case as some kind of validation to deny an entire group theur right to make their own choices. When did you ever ascribe the mistakes of one cis woman onto ALL cis women Janio? Of course you haven&#039;t. That would be riduculous eh?

For some who says you&#039;re not against trans people, you&#039;re ceratinly doing your damndest to paint them in a dark light.

It&#039;s like, &quot;I&#039;m not anti Maori, but you know, theres heaps of them in prison and........&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100525">Janio</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t hate trans people. I dislike what a minority of them do when they attack women.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny though how you fixate on the &#8220;minority&#8221; Janio. Why is that?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of racists who deny their racism with the cliche, &#8220;I&#8217;m not racist, some of my best friends are [insert ethnic minority here].&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Protecting children is the basis of a raft of laws. They should be protected against the consequences of making life changing decisions before they are adults.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, you use one case as some kind of validation to deny an entire group theur right to make their own choices. When did you ever ascribe the mistakes of one cis woman onto ALL cis women Janio? Of course you haven&#8217;t. That would be riduculous eh?</p>
<p>For some who says you&#8217;re not against trans people, you&#8217;re ceratinly doing your damndest to paint them in a dark light.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like, &#8220;I&#8217;m not anti Maori, but you know, theres heaps of them in prison and&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100500&quot;&gt;Sam&lt;/a&gt;.

Sam with respect, the self identification of gender is a complex process with much research having been done from Freud forward.

There are several camps as to where the weight of evidence is interpreted, but no clear path to identify whether DNA or nurture are solely responsible.  Opinion varies but their is a majority consensus that it seems a complex interaction between the two.

A youngsters development psychologically is heavily affected by interaction with the world and people in their life and particularly significant are those who are parent figures and the interaction between them as a group.

Putting gender identification as being solely or mainly DNA driven is not what medical opinion indicates, but is often a political ploy used in argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/respects-to-tracey-martin-this-debate-desperately-requires-more-kindness-respect/#comment-100500">Sam</a>.</p>
<p>Sam with respect, the self identification of gender is a complex process with much research having been done from Freud forward.</p>
<p>There are several camps as to where the weight of evidence is interpreted, but no clear path to identify whether DNA or nurture are solely responsible.  Opinion varies but their is a majority consensus that it seems a complex interaction between the two.</p>
<p>A youngsters development psychologically is heavily affected by interaction with the world and people in their life and particularly significant are those who are parent figures and the interaction between them as a group.</p>
<p>Putting gender identification as being solely or mainly DNA driven is not what medical opinion indicates, but is often a political ploy used in argument.</p>
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		By: Janio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MJolnir, where/when did I ever make &quot;unfounded allegations against an entire minority&quot;? Fantasy claims. If you and Frank understood the difference between sex and gender you would recognise my position is rational, not emotional. I don&#039;t hate trans people. I dislike what a minority of them do when they attack women.

Protecting children is the basis of a raft of laws. They should be protected against the consequences of making life changing decisions before they are adults. The NZ Herald (29 April, 2017)carried a story about a teenage lesbian who changed her mind about transitioning, in the middle of a course of testosterone. Zahra Cooper found she couldn&#039;t reverse the effects of the drug and hates her deep voice - but likes being a woman.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJolnir, where/when did I ever make &#8220;unfounded allegations against an entire minority&#8221;? Fantasy claims. If you and Frank understood the difference between sex and gender you would recognise my position is rational, not emotional. I don&#8217;t hate trans people. I dislike what a minority of them do when they attack women.</p>
<p>Protecting children is the basis of a raft of laws. They should be protected against the consequences of making life changing decisions before they are adults. The NZ Herald (29 April, 2017)carried a story about a teenage lesbian who changed her mind about transitioning, in the middle of a course of testosterone. Zahra Cooper found she couldn&#8217;t reverse the effects of the drug and hates her deep voice &#8211; but likes being a woman.</p>
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