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		By: Shirley Knuckey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shirley Knuckey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2016 07:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/private-schools-provide-a-socially-cleansed-environment-for-the-children-of-cabinet-ministers/#comment-23277&quot;&gt;Helena&lt;/a&gt;.

Great piece John but I&#039;d  suggest harking back to previous governments and operatives is counter-productive. Trevor Mallard or whoever - all people in politics make wrong judgement calls at some stage (does anyone remember KDC?) 

Critique the Now things and today&#039;s personnel.  You&#039;re good at that John.  Keep sweet, be fair and do care and compassion  -  cos that is what you are and do!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/private-schools-provide-a-socially-cleansed-environment-for-the-children-of-cabinet-ministers/#comment-23277">Helena</a>.</p>
<p>Great piece John but I&#8217;d  suggest harking back to previous governments and operatives is counter-productive. Trevor Mallard or whoever &#8211; all people in politics make wrong judgement calls at some stage (does anyone remember KDC?) </p>
<p>Critique the Now things and today&#8217;s personnel.  You&#8217;re good at that John.  Keep sweet, be fair and do care and compassion  &#8211;  cos that is what you are and do!!</p>
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		By: Bryce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Put more bluntly: in Auckland at least, they don&#039;t want their children attending schools with Maori and Polynesian kids who might live nearby.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put more bluntly: in Auckland at least, they don&#8217;t want their children attending schools with Maori and Polynesian kids who might live nearby.</p>
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		By: Molly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Molly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2016 00:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/private-schools-provide-a-socially-cleansed-environment-for-the-children-of-cabinet-ministers/#comment-23321&quot;&gt;Robert Glennie&lt;/a&gt;.

... except it&#039;s not all about you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/private-schools-provide-a-socially-cleansed-environment-for-the-children-of-cabinet-ministers/#comment-23321">Robert Glennie</a>.</p>
<p>&#8230; except it&#8217;s not all about you.</p>
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		By: Marcus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2016 20:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Private schools may be an institutionalised form of privilege but there is an  up side.
If the rich want to cloister themselves away in their special schools and groups and pay for it themselves, then let them. At least we don&#039;t have to put up with them taking control of our public schools and running them as prep camps for the labour they will need when they become corporate business managers.
Of course therein lies the main problem. The rich want their own private schools but they think everyone else should pay for them.
I have no problem with private schools as long as the parents pay for it all themselves, like they do with international students in public schools but I have a big problem with National putting increasing amounts of money into private schools and running down state education. AND lying about doing so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Private schools may be an institutionalised form of privilege but there is an  up side.<br />
If the rich want to cloister themselves away in their special schools and groups and pay for it themselves, then let them. At least we don&#8217;t have to put up with them taking control of our public schools and running them as prep camps for the labour they will need when they become corporate business managers.<br />
Of course therein lies the main problem. The rich want their own private schools but they think everyone else should pay for them.<br />
I have no problem with private schools as long as the parents pay for it all themselves, like they do with international students in public schools but I have a big problem with National putting increasing amounts of money into private schools and running down state education. AND lying about doing so.</p>
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		By: Robert Glennie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Glennie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2016 03:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My parents were not the wealthiest I knew when my brother went to St. Andrews College. They sent him there because he got a scholarship. 

And because his mates were going there. He and his many friends turned out to be perfectly decent people and he never saw himself as being better for having that education.

They sent me to Burnside because I wanted to go there. And my mates were going there. I and my mates turned out fine too.

So this typical Minto line about a socially cleansed environment doesn&#039;t hold any water with me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents were not the wealthiest I knew when my brother went to St. Andrews College. They sent him there because he got a scholarship. </p>
<p>And because his mates were going there. He and his many friends turned out to be perfectly decent people and he never saw himself as being better for having that education.</p>
<p>They sent me to Burnside because I wanted to go there. And my mates were going there. I and my mates turned out fine too.</p>
<p>So this typical Minto line about a socially cleansed environment doesn&#8217;t hold any water with me.</p>
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		By: Draco T Bastard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draco T Bastard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2016 03:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/private-schools-provide-a-socially-cleansed-environment-for-the-children-of-cabinet-ministers/#comment-23315&quot;&gt;Quick Thinking&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;What part is wrong?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The idea that private schools should get public funding. They shouldn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;because it&#039;s the choice of the parents not to use state schooling.&lt;/I&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;You could say the same about roads, we tax fuel, vehicle registration, RUC etc to pay for roads but pedestrians, cyclists that use roads don’t pay any of these taxes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But they probably do pay rates which pays for the roads that they do use. Not all roads are paid for by the state and the taxes that you mention.

&lt;blockquote&gt;…but to move to a society where state education is the only option would be a backward step.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I didn&#039;t say that should happen. Sure, it probably would be the result of removing state subsidies from for profit education but in what way would it be a backward step?

&lt;blockquote&gt;When working families can afford their own home…&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If we had good provision of state homes then people wouldn&#039;t need to be able to afford their own homes and then we wouldn&#039;t get the massive imbalance of housing that we have today.

Home ownership is actually the problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/private-schools-provide-a-socially-cleansed-environment-for-the-children-of-cabinet-ministers/#comment-23315">Quick Thinking</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>What part is wrong?</p></blockquote>
<p>The idea that private schools should get public funding. They shouldn&#8217;t <i>because it&#8217;s the choice of the parents not to use state schooling.</i></p>
<blockquote><p>You could say the same about roads, we tax fuel, vehicle registration, RUC etc to pay for roads but pedestrians, cyclists that use roads don’t pay any of these taxes.</p></blockquote>
<p>But they probably do pay rates which pays for the roads that they do use. Not all roads are paid for by the state and the taxes that you mention.</p>
<blockquote><p>…but to move to a society where state education is the only option would be a backward step.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say that should happen. Sure, it probably would be the result of removing state subsidies from for profit education but in what way would it be a backward step?</p>
<blockquote><p>When working families can afford their own home…</p></blockquote>
<p>If we had good provision of state homes then people wouldn&#8217;t need to be able to afford their own homes and then we wouldn&#8217;t get the massive imbalance of housing that we have today.</p>
<p>Home ownership is actually the problem.</p>
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		By: Draco T Bastard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draco T Bastard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2016 03:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/private-schools-provide-a-socially-cleansed-environment-for-the-children-of-cabinet-ministers/#comment-23318&quot;&gt;mpledger&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s integrated schools, not private. There&#039;s a difference.

And all the government really had to do there was to buy up the school and make it a full state school.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/private-schools-provide-a-socially-cleansed-environment-for-the-children-of-cabinet-ministers/#comment-23318">mpledger</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s integrated schools, not private. There&#8217;s a difference.</p>
<p>And all the government really had to do there was to buy up the school and make it a full state school.</p>
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		By: mpledger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mpledger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2016 21:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/private-schools-provide-a-socially-cleansed-environment-for-the-children-of-cabinet-ministers/#comment-23307&quot;&gt;Draco T Bastard&lt;/a&gt;.

No, that&#039;s not true.

The Catholic school system run out of people from religious orders who could teach for free.   They didn&#039;t have the money to pay for teachers and upkeep so they went to the government and said that they were going to have to close.  The government saw that the public system couldn&#039;t cope with all these Catholic students arriving so they said they&#039;d fund some of the costs if the Catholic schools maintained the buildings etc.   It was win-win - the Catholic schools stayed open at a much lower cost to the government than if they closed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/private-schools-provide-a-socially-cleansed-environment-for-the-children-of-cabinet-ministers/#comment-23307">Draco T Bastard</a>.</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s not true.</p>
<p>The Catholic school system run out of people from religious orders who could teach for free.   They didn&#8217;t have the money to pay for teachers and upkeep so they went to the government and said that they were going to have to close.  The government saw that the public system couldn&#8217;t cope with all these Catholic students arriving so they said they&#8217;d fund some of the costs if the Catholic schools maintained the buildings etc.   It was win-win &#8211; the Catholic schools stayed open at a much lower cost to the government than if they closed.</p>
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		By: In Vino		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[In Vino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2016 09:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/the-most-honest-advert-for-nz-government-ever-written/#comment-344177&quot;&gt;Greywarbler&lt;/a&gt;.

Your first 7 words were quite accurate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/the-most-honest-advert-for-nz-government-ever-written/#comment-344177">Greywarbler</a>.</p>
<p>Your first 7 words were quite accurate.</p>
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		By: Smilin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smilin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2016 08:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The fickle policy of  User Pays clearly defined once again 
Tax paying masses getting the other privileged boot stomping on them 
If private schools cant survive financially then with all their education cant they make n argument to tell the govt what is wrong with its policies 
Dumb me they are all pissin in each others pockets ,torified chicken for tea again anyone  with splashes of corporate thickening]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fickle policy of  User Pays clearly defined once again<br />
Tax paying masses getting the other privileged boot stomping on them<br />
If private schools cant survive financially then with all their education cant they make n argument to tell the govt what is wrong with its policies<br />
Dumb me they are all pissin in each others pockets ,torified chicken for tea again anyone  with splashes of corporate thickening</p>
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