Comments on: Polls show how to win the cannabis referendum: social equity, social enterprise and social clubs

By: KiwiChaos

KiwiChaos — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 10:51:02 +0000

but then you leave the entire growing/selling market to the gangs and dealers. Thats what we have right now and its a big problem. Regulation is the way forward for harm reduction.

By: KiwiChaos

KiwiChaos — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 10:31:28 +0000

Its a silly argument but sure,thats what regulation is for. I have a right to walk down the road and not be stabbed…but knives are still legal. It goes on forever with the silly examples.

Personal freedoms and responsibility is important. I dont want to live in a police state.

By: GreenBus

GreenBus — Sat, 15 Jun 2019 05:50:58 +0000

In reply to orbitalpanda. I must respond. As a so called dopehead and also pisshead of nearly 5 decades I can tell you arseholes that know zilch about it, yet seem to know everything that there is no damage, no addiction, no progression to meth etc. It's all bullshit. Tell you what, just try it. If you like the effect a little booze has, then you'll like it! Just have a little bit. And by the way, my boss knows I smoke it and I know he does (well used to) and nobody gives a toss. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

By: Martyn

Martyn — Sat, 15 Jun 2019 04:11:01 +0000

In reply to orbitalpanda. Im pretty certain that an enormous amount of academic research shows alcohol is a gateway drug, not cannabis

By: Peter Bradley

Peter Bradley — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 23:02:46 +0000

I suddenly feel far less optimistic then I used to about cannabis law reform in NZ. Those poll numbers are damning and reveal the massive conservative streak that runs across the electorate. My prediction is that this referendum will split largely along party lines at the next election but with older voters from all parties favoring a No vote. Since older voters are far more likely to turn up at the polling booth I do not think there will be a Yes vote for the cannabis referendum.
The one thing that could change those numbers would be a trans-formative stance and campaign by the Labour government and Adern in particular but that would cost a lot of political capital and for what exactly? Keeping a small, largely unproductive – but very relaxed – portion of the electorate happy. On current form I don’t think the government will take the risk.
It’s more probable that we will see incremental change and directives such as the one already given to police to shift the issue from criminal to health where possible.

By: orbitalpanda

orbitalpanda — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 22:54:58 +0000

In reply to Martyn.

wow-that was easy Martyn.
“Next please!!”.
You could save us an absolute fortune in the instant policy analysis unit at head office!
FYI-precursor drug=”oh dude try P man way better than dope”

By: Martyn

Martyn — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 21:54:39 +0000

In reply to orbitalpanda.

I’ve got this one folks.

1. How much shit does dope cause in NZ? 12 000 needless arrests EVERY SINGLE FUCKING YEAR for a product far less lethal than tobacco and alcohol. It also allows the Police vast search and surveillance powers through the good old, “I can smell pot” play. It’s valued as a billion dollar black industry that allows organised crime to flourish.

2. What do we spend to clean up the shit caused by cannabis? We are looking at around $200m each year for the prosecution of cannabis.

3. How many people are on the stuff and how many more will be if its legalised? 60% of NZ have tried cannabis

4. With increasing rates of hopelessness in NZ will the take up rate skyrocket? Is it a precursor drug that leads to P. That question is remarkably stupid and suggest you have no comprehension of the difference between meth and THC.

5. Can a yes vote be reversed later? The very basic premise of the NZ Parliamentary system using a one chamber westminster model means Parliament can always and will always be sovereign.

By: orbitalpanda

orbitalpanda — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 21:44:19 +0000

In reply to orbitalpanda.

Very intelligent comment OP-keep them coming.
Ive been asking a few of the old pissheads at the bowling club how to vote on this cannabis thing-mixed bag of poorly thought out comments as you can imagine (great blokes bless them)
Being a practical solution focussed geeky public health/ policy analyst/data analysis/public money well spent type of nerd I think about 100 of us in NZ need some solid info on which to base our decision.
1. How much shit does dope cause in NZ?
2. What do we spend to clean up the shit caused by cannabis?
3. How many people are on the stuff and how many more will be if its legalised?
4. With increasing rates of hopelessness in NZ will the take up rate skyrocket? Is it a precursor drug that leads to P.
5. Can a yes vote be reversed later?
Chloe says legalise it so dope addicts can get help. But dont we spend billions on addiction services already?-way more than primary maternity.
Is the only reason to legalise it so people can access help? Seems a bit lame Chloe. Are there really any pot smokers out there saying “oh man I hate this shit man, I really need help man, but man but Im just too scared man”
Who are we NZ? A people who base important decisions on scant and incomplete data.

By: bert

bert — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 19:44:08 +0000

In reply to Mjolnir. Bennett has admitting using it in her younger days. She may have ended up a better person if she continued using, given how she's turned out.

By: Mjolnir

Mjolnir — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 02:47:14 +0000

Bennett used scare tactics with bs like “cannabis cookies” and lollies infused with cannabis

The other day I bought choclate biscuits with alcohol infused in them

Hypocrisy rulez