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		By: Mike in Auckland		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31908</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2016 01:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I trust you are equally critical of former high flyer Tim Groser, when he was trying to get a top WTO job. Add also the Prime Minister and his many flights, add the various Ministers of the government, and MPs from that side, using every opportunity to furn fossil fuels, and otherwise do little to reduce emissions. 

Marama is not known to be a frequent flyer, and she will have invested in this trip and action wisely, and have made it a special mission of sorts. 

You have to allow the odd exception from the rule.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trust you are equally critical of former high flyer Tim Groser, when he was trying to get a top WTO job. Add also the Prime Minister and his many flights, add the various Ministers of the government, and MPs from that side, using every opportunity to furn fossil fuels, and otherwise do little to reduce emissions. </p>
<p>Marama is not known to be a frequent flyer, and she will have invested in this trip and action wisely, and have made it a special mission of sorts. </p>
<p>You have to allow the odd exception from the rule.</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31907</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You have no interest in environmental issues, Bg, except when it suits your purpose.

You&#039;re just another anonymous stooge for the Israeli government. You and your ilk pop up every time Israel is criticised for it&#039;s oppression of the Palestinians.

Tell us, Bg, do you support legal opinion that the West Bank settlements are illegal? Or do you just cherry pick what suits you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have no interest in environmental issues, Bg, except when it suits your purpose.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re just another anonymous stooge for the Israeli government. You and your ilk pop up every time Israel is criticised for it&#8217;s oppression of the Palestinians.</p>
<p>Tell us, Bg, do you support legal opinion that the West Bank settlements are illegal? Or do you just cherry pick what suits you?</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31906</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Macskasy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 02:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But you selectively ignore UN Resolution 242, or the fact that Israeli settlents on the West Bank are illegal?

Such is your selective &quot;morality&quot;. 

By the way, the last time your precious &quot;Israeli Defence Force&quot; thugs were &quot;taking these anti-Israeli protesters to safety&quot;, they shot several protestors in the back, multiple times; 

“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel.” - http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/palmer-report-did-not-find-gaza-blockade-legal-despite-media-headlines/

I believe Nazis used similar technniques against their victims - many of whom they also labelled &quot;terrorists&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you selectively ignore UN Resolution 242, or the fact that Israeli settlents on the West Bank are illegal?</p>
<p>Such is your selective &#8220;morality&#8221;. </p>
<p>By the way, the last time your precious &#8220;Israeli Defence Force&#8221; thugs were &#8220;taking these anti-Israeli protesters to safety&#8221;, they shot several protestors in the back, multiple times; </p>
<p>“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel.” &#8211; <a href="http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/palmer-report-did-not-find-gaza-blockade-legal-despite-media-headlines/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/palmer-report-did-not-find-gaza-blockade-legal-despite-media-headlines/</a></p>
<p>I believe Nazis used similar technniques against their victims &#8211; many of whom they also labelled &#8220;terrorists&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 02:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31900&quot;&gt;Zack Brando&lt;/a&gt;.

UNH Resolution 242 calls for Israeli withdrawal of Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights; https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/cf02d057b04d356385256ddb006dc02f/b08a2e4d1fde5cec85256b98006e752f?OpenDocument

And do you support the right of free travel on international waterways, Zack, as per the same UN Resolution; https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/7D35E1F729DF491C85256EE700686136

Do you support UN Resolution 242, Zack? Or only the bits that suit the Israeli Government, that you appear to be a mouthpiece for?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31900">Zack Brando</a>.</p>
<p>UNH Resolution 242 calls for Israeli withdrawal of Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights; <a href="https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/cf02d057b04d356385256ddb006dc02f/b08a2e4d1fde5cec85256b98006e752f?OpenDocument" rel="nofollow ugc">https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/cf02d057b04d356385256ddb006dc02f/b08a2e4d1fde5cec85256b98006e752f?OpenDocument</a></p>
<p>And do you support the right of free travel on international waterways, Zack, as per the same UN Resolution; <a href="https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/7D35E1F729DF491C85256EE700686136" rel="nofollow ugc">https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/7D35E1F729DF491C85256EE700686136</a></p>
<p>Do you support UN Resolution 242, Zack? Or only the bits that suit the Israeli Government, that you appear to be a mouthpiece for?</p>
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		By: Mike in Auckland		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2016 23:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31900&quot;&gt;Zack Brando&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I’m a Kiwi, I’m not from the lands of patriarchs and prophets. Unfortunately, the further away you are from a situation like the Gaza Blockade (which started in 2007), the more ignorant you are to the nuances. Self proclaimed ‘free thinking’ liberals and of course the media start going to work. &quot;

Yep, you fulfill the necessary characteristics of an IGNORANT person 100 percent, my friend! I am sure Marama has more knowledge of affairs in Gaza and Israel than YOU do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31900">Zack Brando</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m a Kiwi, I’m not from the lands of patriarchs and prophets. Unfortunately, the further away you are from a situation like the Gaza Blockade (which started in 2007), the more ignorant you are to the nuances. Self proclaimed ‘free thinking’ liberals and of course the media start going to work. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, you fulfill the necessary characteristics of an IGNORANT person 100 percent, my friend! I am sure Marama has more knowledge of affairs in Gaza and Israel than YOU do.</p>
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		By: Mike in Auckland		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31903</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2016 23:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What utter crap you comment:
&quot;What made matters worse in this case was that the politician concerned – Green MP Marama Davidson – participated in a breach of Israel’s sovereignty for no apparent purpose.&quot;

They were out at sea in international waters, as far as I can gather!

Also your pro Israeli bias ignores the activities of early Zionist terrorist that facilitated the establishment of the state of Israel in the first place. Israel has ignored and breached endless UN and UN Security Council resolutions over many years, thus denying rights the native Palestinian people have to their land and livelihoods. 

What a selective interpretation of the &quot;Oslo Accords&quot;, also something many have differing views on.

In my view the Oslo Accords are HISTORY and obsolete, given Israels continued disregard to the rights of Palestinians, as they even interfere into the affairs of the Palestinian Authority on a regular basis, including denying the local access to water, land to grow crops, and so forth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What utter crap you comment:<br />
&#8220;What made matters worse in this case was that the politician concerned – Green MP Marama Davidson – participated in a breach of Israel’s sovereignty for no apparent purpose.&#8221;</p>
<p>They were out at sea in international waters, as far as I can gather!</p>
<p>Also your pro Israeli bias ignores the activities of early Zionist terrorist that facilitated the establishment of the state of Israel in the first place. Israel has ignored and breached endless UN and UN Security Council resolutions over many years, thus denying rights the native Palestinian people have to their land and livelihoods. </p>
<p>What a selective interpretation of the &#8220;Oslo Accords&#8221;, also something many have differing views on.</p>
<p>In my view the Oslo Accords are HISTORY and obsolete, given Israels continued disregard to the rights of Palestinians, as they even interfere into the affairs of the Palestinian Authority on a regular basis, including denying the local access to water, land to grow crops, and so forth.</p>
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		By: Mike in Auckland		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31902</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2016 23:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31897&quot;&gt;Zack Brando&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It’s interesting that Jordan and the surrounding counties seem to have left the Palestinian people to languish rather than taking them in. This is clearly a political agenda Marama is ignorant of.

The original proposed boundaries of Israel were huge, it was going to encompass the whole of what is now called Jordan and more. Israel is tinny. I don’t see Marama denouncing munitions being brought in through Gaza and then used/fired into Israeli territory.&quot;

What the hell do you know and talk about?

Jordan is home to 1.4 million Palestinian refugees at least!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees

That is a sizeable part of the total Jordanian population. Also have Lebanon, Syria and other neighbouring countries accepted Palestinian refugees. 

As we are talking about comparatively poor countries, who also have their own challenges, they have hesitated to give the refugees the same full rights as their own residents and citizens, as the understanding was for many years, that one day they would return to their homeland in Israel. As that is for many no feasible, realistic option anymore, they rather prefer compensation now, but where is the compensation they should be given, from Israel?

As for the &quot;original proposed boundaries&quot; for Israel, yes, the Zionists would like to take it all, up to the Euphrates, I suppose:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel

The &quot;Promised Land&quot; according to Zionists:
&quot;The Bible contains three geographical definitions of the Land of Israel. The first, found in Genesis 15:18–21, seems to define the land that was given to all of the children of Abraham, including Ishmael, Zimran, Jokshan, Midian, etc. It describes a large territory, &quot;from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates&quot;, comprising all of modern-day Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq, as well as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E, Oman, Yemen, most of Turkey, and all the land east of the Nile river.&quot;


https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=greater+israel&#038;biw=939&#038;bih=592&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbo=u&#038;source=univ&#038;sa=X&#038;sqi=2&#038;ved=0ahUKEwjf_viQ6cnPAhVJnJQKHZVVAIQQsAQINA


So this comment reveals you are a Zionist Imperialist yourself, or at least a facilitator or supporter of their ideas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31897">Zack Brando</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s interesting that Jordan and the surrounding counties seem to have left the Palestinian people to languish rather than taking them in. This is clearly a political agenda Marama is ignorant of.</p>
<p>The original proposed boundaries of Israel were huge, it was going to encompass the whole of what is now called Jordan and more. Israel is tinny. I don’t see Marama denouncing munitions being brought in through Gaza and then used/fired into Israeli territory.&#8221;</p>
<p>What the hell do you know and talk about?</p>
<p>Jordan is home to 1.4 million Palestinian refugees at least!</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees</a></p>
<p>That is a sizeable part of the total Jordanian population. Also have Lebanon, Syria and other neighbouring countries accepted Palestinian refugees. </p>
<p>As we are talking about comparatively poor countries, who also have their own challenges, they have hesitated to give the refugees the same full rights as their own residents and citizens, as the understanding was for many years, that one day they would return to their homeland in Israel. As that is for many no feasible, realistic option anymore, they rather prefer compensation now, but where is the compensation they should be given, from Israel?</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;original proposed boundaries&#8221; for Israel, yes, the Zionists would like to take it all, up to the Euphrates, I suppose:</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel</a></p>
<p>The &#8220;Promised Land&#8221; according to Zionists:<br />
&#8220;The Bible contains three geographical definitions of the Land of Israel. The first, found in Genesis 15:18–21, seems to define the land that was given to all of the children of Abraham, including Ishmael, Zimran, Jokshan, Midian, etc. It describes a large territory, &#8220;from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates&#8221;, comprising all of modern-day Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq, as well as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E, Oman, Yemen, most of Turkey, and all the land east of the Nile river.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=greater+israel&#038;biw=939&#038;bih=592&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbo=u&#038;source=univ&#038;sa=X&#038;sqi=2&#038;ved=0ahUKEwjf_viQ6cnPAhVJnJQKHZVVAIQQsAQINA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=greater+israel&#038;biw=939&#038;bih=592&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbo=u&#038;source=univ&#038;sa=X&#038;sqi=2&#038;ved=0ahUKEwjf_viQ6cnPAhVJnJQKHZVVAIQQsAQINA</a></p>
<p>So this comment reveals you are a Zionist Imperialist yourself, or at least a facilitator or supporter of their ideas.</p>
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		By: Afewknowthetruth		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31901</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2016 20:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see that America is taking Orwellianism to new heights:

&#039;US secretary of state John Kerry has called for Russia and Syria to face war crimes investigations for their bombing of civilian targets.&#039;

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/07/syria-russia-war-crimes-inquiry-john-kerry]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that America is taking Orwellianism to new heights:</p>
<p>&#8216;US secretary of state John Kerry has called for Russia and Syria to face war crimes investigations for their bombing of civilian targets.&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/07/syria-russia-war-crimes-inquiry-john-kerry" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/07/syria-russia-war-crimes-inquiry-john-kerry</a></p>
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		By: Zack Brando		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2016 10:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just broaching Israel/Palestine as a topic in itself generates controversy and confrontation. The previous sentence could be deemed offensive. Using &#039;Israel&#039; as a proper noun is offensive to many who don&#039;t recognize Israel as a country/state - rather they refer to Israel as the &#039;occupied territories&#039;.

Everybody who takes sides, interferes or subverts with regard to Israel/Palestine comes out the other end proverbially mangled up to say the least. No matter how eloquent a writer or speaker, once they move from observation to involvement, they have plunged themselves into a snare.

I&#039;m a Kiwi, I&#039;m not from the lands of patriarchs and prophets. Unfortunately, the further away you are from a situation like the Gaza Blockade (which started in 2007), the more ignorant you are to the nuances. Self proclaimed &#039;free thinking&#039; liberals and of course the media start going to work. 

Liberals eliminate cultural paradigms, history, agreements, and of course all Gods. Then these liberal reporters, students, politicians and the like adorn themselves with a secular mindset and cry out with loud voices, &quot;INJUSTICE&quot;! They haven&#039;t adorned themselves with much else. No history, no regional knowledge, no culture, etc. Just talking points really.

We are seeing more and more ignorant celebrities and politicians opening their mouths about issues they know nothing about. Marama should be working on New Zealand issues, not plunging herself into this classic Middle Eastern Mire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just broaching Israel/Palestine as a topic in itself generates controversy and confrontation. The previous sentence could be deemed offensive. Using &#8216;Israel&#8217; as a proper noun is offensive to many who don&#8217;t recognize Israel as a country/state &#8211; rather they refer to Israel as the &#8216;occupied territories&#8217;.</p>
<p>Everybody who takes sides, interferes or subverts with regard to Israel/Palestine comes out the other end proverbially mangled up to say the least. No matter how eloquent a writer or speaker, once they move from observation to involvement, they have plunged themselves into a snare.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Kiwi, I&#8217;m not from the lands of patriarchs and prophets. Unfortunately, the further away you are from a situation like the Gaza Blockade (which started in 2007), the more ignorant you are to the nuances. Self proclaimed &#8216;free thinking&#8217; liberals and of course the media start going to work. </p>
<p>Liberals eliminate cultural paradigms, history, agreements, and of course all Gods. Then these liberal reporters, students, politicians and the like adorn themselves with a secular mindset and cry out with loud voices, &#8220;INJUSTICE&#8221;! They haven&#8217;t adorned themselves with much else. No history, no regional knowledge, no culture, etc. Just talking points really.</p>
<p>We are seeing more and more ignorant celebrities and politicians opening their mouths about issues they know nothing about. Marama should be working on New Zealand issues, not plunging herself into this classic Middle Eastern Mire.</p>
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		By: Mike in Auckland		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/open-letter-to-murray-mccully/#comment-31899</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2016 07:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She &quot;used&quot; the &quot;taxpayer&quot;??? Have you any evidence of this? She is likely to have traveled there on her own expenses. As for the rest, Marama has principles and takes human and minority rights rather seriously, not something I have detected in comments you have made, Andy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She &#8220;used&#8221; the &#8220;taxpayer&#8221;??? Have you any evidence of this? She is likely to have traveled there on her own expenses. As for the rest, Marama has principles and takes human and minority rights rather seriously, not something I have detected in comments you have made, Andy.</p>
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