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		By: SOB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SOB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2020 09:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154575&quot;&gt;Applewood&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t worry about what has happened to me I can look after myself just fine.
I was just pointing out what it is like to live on the street.
Worry about those who can&#039;t, there are so many out there.]]></description>
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<p>Don&#8217;t worry about what has happened to me I can look after myself just fine.<br />
I was just pointing out what it is like to live on the street.<br />
Worry about those who can&#8217;t, there are so many out there.</p>
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		By: bert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2020 04:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes Andrew aren&#039;t we just so very happy to have her!]]></description>
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		By: Markus McCraith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markus McCraith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 22:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice article. If we are to ‘dream reality’ then I would argue that saying “we need a revolution” and kind of ending there greatly stymies the imagination. It is of great value thinking about what a post carbon, post growth, post capitalist society might actually look and feel like. What are the types of social relations that would accompany such a transition and how can those be brought into being now? We must degrow, we must decolonize, and we must move towards a post capitalist, post development and pluriversal world. In the famous words of the Zapatistas - “a world where many worlds fit”. I am disappointed by the lack of mention of Matike Mai (report on constitutional transformation), the UNDRIP (UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People) and Te Tiriti o Waitangi in these discussions around anti neoliberal capitalism in NZ ... The future of Aotearoa is indigenous, it’s our only hope. Time to throw away the ideologies which accompany modernity, of a Cartesian divide between humans/nature, a worldview which sees humanity on a linear path to ‘progress’ and ‘betterment’. Such a masculinist, colonial and hierarchical  worldview has and continues to wreck havoc on people and planet. Alternative epistemologies need to be embraced on all levels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. If we are to ‘dream reality’ then I would argue that saying “we need a revolution” and kind of ending there greatly stymies the imagination. It is of great value thinking about what a post carbon, post growth, post capitalist society might actually look and feel like. What are the types of social relations that would accompany such a transition and how can those be brought into being now? We must degrow, we must decolonize, and we must move towards a post capitalist, post development and pluriversal world. In the famous words of the Zapatistas &#8211; “a world where many worlds fit”. I am disappointed by the lack of mention of Matike Mai (report on constitutional transformation), the UNDRIP (UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People) and Te Tiriti o Waitangi in these discussions around anti neoliberal capitalism in NZ &#8230; The future of Aotearoa is indigenous, it’s our only hope. Time to throw away the ideologies which accompany modernity, of a Cartesian divide between humans/nature, a worldview which sees humanity on a linear path to ‘progress’ and ‘betterment’. Such a masculinist, colonial and hierarchical  worldview has and continues to wreck havoc on people and planet. Alternative epistemologies need to be embraced on all levels.</p>
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		By: Red Flag		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Red Flag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2020 07:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Today&#039;s centre left is the right wing of yesteryear. Centre left/centre right. It&#039;s still the same neo-liberal centre. Robertson, Ardern, and Boy Hipkins are not the functionaries that will dismantle the neo-liberal orthodoxy. Why would they? It is all they have ever known, and it works for them. They were spoon fed it by blair and Clark. 
Unless NZ Labour can remember why they are called labour, and not capital for instance, I will not be voting for them. Which is not an endorsement of any other political party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s centre left is the right wing of yesteryear. Centre left/centre right. It&#8217;s still the same neo-liberal centre. Robertson, Ardern, and Boy Hipkins are not the functionaries that will dismantle the neo-liberal orthodoxy. Why would they? It is all they have ever known, and it works for them. They were spoon fed it by blair and Clark.<br />
Unless NZ Labour can remember why they are called labour, and not capital for instance, I will not be voting for them. Which is not an endorsement of any other political party.</p>
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		By: Trevor Sennitt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trevor Sennitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154558&quot;&gt;Tuibelle&lt;/a&gt;.

Where were all these voices before the election. A few weeks after getting a huge majority Labour are being called out for what they are by many on this platform. Jacinda handled the shooting well but what did she really do for the victims of White Island and with the covid crisis they played a good hand but luck was on their side as well.
It is going to be a tough 3 years and I can see the Greens getting really upset at Labours lack of action to help those that are supposed to be their base]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154558">Tuibelle</a>.</p>
<p>Where were all these voices before the election. A few weeks after getting a huge majority Labour are being called out for what they are by many on this platform. Jacinda handled the shooting well but what did she really do for the victims of White Island and with the covid crisis they played a good hand but luck was on their side as well.<br />
It is going to be a tough 3 years and I can see the Greens getting really upset at Labours lack of action to help those that are supposed to be their base</p>
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		By: Applewood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Applewood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154568&quot;&gt;SOB&lt;/a&gt;.

SOB. I am sorry about what has happened to you, and salute you for calling out about hope. Something really rotten has happened in New Zealand, and stealthily, but our young folk seeing nothing ahead of them, is a hell of an indictment upon us as a people.

If I’m right, Key returned to these shores proclaiming he was to be PM before even entering Parliament; if this was on the word of a rich woman it was sinister or a complete circus. English disparaging our young men was disgraceful; I’m not defending the man, but as an old mother I’ve always thought him and Don Brash a pair of Peter Pans, boys who never really grew up, don’t know it, and not as clever as they think they are. This wouldn’t matter except that they cause trouble, get too caught up in their own dumb righteousness to perceive this, or care. Then there are the columnists and commentators who are haters. Best ignored, they probably hate themselves, and they too will die- that is not a threat - just a dust to dust comment.

We can’t rewrite history, and nor can we rely on government to do the right thing, or to do anything very much. We have to force their hand, and I don’t know how this can be done, but an avalanche of voices is a good start. All of us can confront every politician and ex- politician that we see - I do- more pleasantly than they may deserve - and urge others to, but they won’t, but it is the pollies who always go on the defensive, and the only publicly angry one I’ve seen was Prebble - plus Clark keeping her regal difference at a social function- possibly just clumsiness  -  and I certainly don’t want any of them hugging me - the ball’s in my court on this one, not their’s.

Being seen as the enemy of the children is foolish position for a kindness-claiming government  to put itself in, and if they don’t realise this, it will not need a revolution to consign them to history, we’ll do that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154568">SOB</a>.</p>
<p>SOB. I am sorry about what has happened to you, and salute you for calling out about hope. Something really rotten has happened in New Zealand, and stealthily, but our young folk seeing nothing ahead of them, is a hell of an indictment upon us as a people.</p>
<p>If I’m right, Key returned to these shores proclaiming he was to be PM before even entering Parliament; if this was on the word of a rich woman it was sinister or a complete circus. English disparaging our young men was disgraceful; I’m not defending the man, but as an old mother I’ve always thought him and Don Brash a pair of Peter Pans, boys who never really grew up, don’t know it, and not as clever as they think they are. This wouldn’t matter except that they cause trouble, get too caught up in their own dumb righteousness to perceive this, or care. Then there are the columnists and commentators who are haters. Best ignored, they probably hate themselves, and they too will die- that is not a threat &#8211; just a dust to dust comment.</p>
<p>We can’t rewrite history, and nor can we rely on government to do the right thing, or to do anything very much. We have to force their hand, and I don’t know how this can be done, but an avalanche of voices is a good start. All of us can confront every politician and ex- politician that we see &#8211; I do- more pleasantly than they may deserve &#8211; and urge others to, but they won’t, but it is the pollies who always go on the defensive, and the only publicly angry one I’ve seen was Prebble &#8211; plus Clark keeping her regal difference at a social function- possibly just clumsiness  &#8211;  and I certainly don’t want any of them hugging me &#8211; the ball’s in my court on this one, not their’s.</p>
<p>Being seen as the enemy of the children is foolish position for a kindness-claiming government  to put itself in, and if they don’t realise this, it will not need a revolution to consign them to history, we’ll do that.</p>
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		By: Afewknowthetruth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Afewknowthetruth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154571&quot;&gt;Afewknowthetruth&lt;/a&gt;.

Apologies. Compilation error:

we all get wiped out by bad energy polices and bad environment polices. And we’ve had decades of nothing but bad energy polices and bad environment polices -whoever has been in power.

(squander energy, fuck the planet)]]></description>
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<p>Apologies. Compilation error:</p>
<p>we all get wiped out by bad energy polices and bad environment polices. And we’ve had decades of nothing but bad energy polices and bad environment polices -whoever has been in power.</p>
<p>(squander energy, fuck the planet)</p>
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		By: Kat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154572&quot;&gt;Bozo&lt;/a&gt;.

It would seem you recognise comic relief though Bozo.]]></description>
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<p>It would seem you recognise comic relief though Bozo.</p>
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		By: Bozo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bozo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154570&quot;&gt;Kat&lt;/a&gt;.

Recognition of irony is not my strong point. You must be joking Kat... surely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154570">Kat</a>.</p>
<p>Recognition of irony is not my strong point. You must be joking Kat&#8230; surely.</p>
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		By: Afewknowthetruth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Afewknowthetruth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154570&quot;&gt;Kat&lt;/a&gt;.

Truth has no colour. Left, right, middle...are faux descriptions, and are irrelevant at this stage in the game. 

And even if people insist on using red/blue, left/right etc. it makes no difference in the long run: we all get wiped out by bad energy polices and bad and environment polices. And we&#039;ve had decades of nothing but bad energy polices and bad environment polices -whoever has been in power. 

So now the end is in sight, and coming a lot faster than most people realise:

https://sioweb.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/co2_800k.png

We&#039;re now approaching 420 ppm atmospheric CO2, which is 190 ppm above the 800,000 average. And still rising at the fastest rate in all of geological history. That&#039;s the Halocene gone forever.

+ 3oC is just decades away. And +3oC means a 20 metre sea level rise in the short term and 100 metre sea level rise longer term.

+3C means most of the Earth becomes uninhabitable, and certainly unsuitable for the kind of agriculture that has spurred the [human] population explosion of recent decades. Indeed, +2oC will almost certainly wipe out industrial agriculture, as will the decline in availability of liquid fuels that is a consequence of peak oil.

+3oC means the kind of storms and droughts that affect us irregularly become the daily norm.

But, hey, we &#039;&#039;have to have&#039; motor racing, and air travel, and heat pumps and air conditioners, and we have to have trips to drive-through takeaways, and shopping for plastic nick-knacks that will be thrown away a week after purchase -because we live in a CONSUMER SOCIETY, and as far as the government is concerned, consumption is all that counts, along with jobs. Got to keep the financial Ponzi system going a little longer, even if it will be the death of us all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-jacinda-2-0-is-licenced-to-govern-but-not-by-or-for-us/#comment-154570">Kat</a>.</p>
<p>Truth has no colour. Left, right, middle&#8230;are faux descriptions, and are irrelevant at this stage in the game. </p>
<p>And even if people insist on using red/blue, left/right etc. it makes no difference in the long run: we all get wiped out by bad energy polices and bad and environment polices. And we&#8217;ve had decades of nothing but bad energy polices and bad environment polices -whoever has been in power. </p>
<p>So now the end is in sight, and coming a lot faster than most people realise:</p>
<p><a href="https://sioweb.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/co2_800k.png" rel="nofollow ugc">https://sioweb.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/co2_800k.png</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;re now approaching 420 ppm atmospheric CO2, which is 190 ppm above the 800,000 average. And still rising at the fastest rate in all of geological history. That&#8217;s the Halocene gone forever.</p>
<p>+ 3oC is just decades away. And +3oC means a 20 metre sea level rise in the short term and 100 metre sea level rise longer term.</p>
<p>+3C means most of the Earth becomes uninhabitable, and certainly unsuitable for the kind of agriculture that has spurred the [human] population explosion of recent decades. Indeed, +2oC will almost certainly wipe out industrial agriculture, as will the decline in availability of liquid fuels that is a consequence of peak oil.</p>
<p>+3oC means the kind of storms and droughts that affect us irregularly become the daily norm.</p>
<p>But, hey, we &#8221;have to have&#8217; motor racing, and air travel, and heat pumps and air conditioners, and we have to have trips to drive-through takeaways, and shopping for plastic nick-knacks that will be thrown away a week after purchase -because we live in a CONSUMER SOCIETY, and as far as the government is concerned, consumption is all that counts, along with jobs. Got to keep the financial Ponzi system going a little longer, even if it will be the death of us all.</p>
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