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		By: Marc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2018 12:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-budget-2018-labours-pre-emptive-capitulation-to-kiwi-capitalisms-discontent/#comment-81060&quot;&gt;Nobody&lt;/a&gt;.

So true!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/must-read-budget-2018-labours-pre-emptive-capitulation-to-kiwi-capitalisms-discontent/#comment-81060">Nobody</a>.</p>
<p>So true!</p>
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		By: Marc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2018 12:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yep, and as most humans are conformist cowards, there will be no true revolution here, they rather work like hamsters run in the hamster wheel, keeping their heads down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, and as most humans are conformist cowards, there will be no true revolution here, they rather work like hamsters run in the hamster wheel, keeping their heads down.</p>
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		By: Mjolnir		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mjolnir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2018 03:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Baby steps?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baby steps?</p>
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		By: Wensleydale		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wensleydale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2018 02:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone wishing for war is a fool. You know what happens during war, right? The very worst facets of human nature come to the fore. The rule of law goes out the window. Murder, arson, rape, looting... that&#039;s what happens during a war. It&#039;s chaos. There&#039;s no such thing as a carefully orchestrated war whereby all the rules of engagement are dutifully obeyed, and the Geneva Convention is strictly adhered to. It&#039;s horrible, and ugly and vicious, and as much as I loathe the National/Act Parties, I most definitely don&#039;t wish for war. That way lies madness and death.

Get some perspective, mate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone wishing for war is a fool. You know what happens during war, right? The very worst facets of human nature come to the fore. The rule of law goes out the window. Murder, arson, rape, looting&#8230; that&#8217;s what happens during a war. It&#8217;s chaos. There&#8217;s no such thing as a carefully orchestrated war whereby all the rules of engagement are dutifully obeyed, and the Geneva Convention is strictly adhered to. It&#8217;s horrible, and ugly and vicious, and as much as I loathe the National/Act Parties, I most definitely don&#8217;t wish for war. That way lies madness and death.</p>
<p>Get some perspective, mate.</p>
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		By: OCON		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OCON]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2018 01:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it was Ardern who described this budget as &quot;transformational&quot;. Of course it was nothing of the sort. It was, as you have described Chris, &#039;timid&#039; and as others have said &#039;National Lite&#039;. 

The result is to provide sustenance to existing economic structures and practices. The economic status quo is reinforced rather than dismantled, which is what a transformational budget would have done, or at least started. Transformation is essentially about &#039;out with the old and in with the new&quot;. This budget was more like &#039;reinforce the old and resist the new&#039;. 

No wonder the left are pissed off.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was Ardern who described this budget as &#8220;transformational&#8221;. Of course it was nothing of the sort. It was, as you have described Chris, &#8216;timid&#8217; and as others have said &#8216;National Lite&#8217;. </p>
<p>The result is to provide sustenance to existing economic structures and practices. The economic status quo is reinforced rather than dismantled, which is what a transformational budget would have done, or at least started. Transformation is essentially about &#8216;out with the old and in with the new&#8221;. This budget was more like &#8216;reinforce the old and resist the new&#8217;. </p>
<p>No wonder the left are pissed off.</p>
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		By: David Stone		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Stone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 21:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As Nobody says there&#039;s not much sign of government altering the way the country is run, why it is run,what it will produce, or for whom it will be run.
&quot;Why&quot; &quot;What&quot; and &quot;for Whom&quot; being the fundamental questions of economics.
      To take back control though is a big ask. It requires that the international banks are either regulated as once upon a time they were, and now they are controlled nowhere in the western world. What Nobody says of who runs NZ is true of all Western &quot;democracies&quot; in 2018. The necessary changes would be resisted by the rest of the western world, not just the business lobby here.
     But in order to approach the issue government needs to thoroughly understand the system as it is. And since Russell Norman left there is no-one in there on either side with the possible exception of Winston, that has ever said anything to give any indication that they do. Frankly I don&#039;t believe Grant Robinson has the intellectual capacity, and Jacinda has never had the necessary specialist interest to study and think about it enough.
     What they could do , and possibly get away with, would be to leave the existing banks alone, and let the business lobby get on with what it does best, but either using Kiwibank or starting another, Issue fiat money into it and use that to fund some parts of government expenditure. Perhaps leaving social expenditure to be covered by taxation, but funding infrastructure with new money. The business community might like that anyway, It would create opportunities&#039;.
D J S]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Nobody says there&#8217;s not much sign of government altering the way the country is run, why it is run,what it will produce, or for whom it will be run.<br />
&#8220;Why&#8221; &#8220;What&#8221; and &#8220;for Whom&#8221; being the fundamental questions of economics.<br />
      To take back control though is a big ask. It requires that the international banks are either regulated as once upon a time they were, and now they are controlled nowhere in the western world. What Nobody says of who runs NZ is true of all Western &#8220;democracies&#8221; in 2018. The necessary changes would be resisted by the rest of the western world, not just the business lobby here.<br />
     But in order to approach the issue government needs to thoroughly understand the system as it is. And since Russell Norman left there is no-one in there on either side with the possible exception of Winston, that has ever said anything to give any indication that they do. Frankly I don&#8217;t believe Grant Robinson has the intellectual capacity, and Jacinda has never had the necessary specialist interest to study and think about it enough.<br />
     What they could do , and possibly get away with, would be to leave the existing banks alone, and let the business lobby get on with what it does best, but either using Kiwibank or starting another, Issue fiat money into it and use that to fund some parts of government expenditure. Perhaps leaving social expenditure to be covered by taxation, but funding infrastructure with new money. The business community might like that anyway, It would create opportunities&#8217;.<br />
D J S</p>
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		By: Marc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 12:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Chris, you sum it up well in this post.

I am NOT surprised, things are unfolding more or less as I had expected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Chris, you sum it up well in this post.</p>
<p>I am NOT surprised, things are unfolding more or less as I had expected.</p>
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		By: Philg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 09:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The left has left,  gone and all but  forgotten.  The neolibs are steering  the ship, again, albeit with a fresh coat of paint.  Time , I hope,  will  prove me wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left has left,  gone and all but  forgotten.  The neolibs are steering  the ship, again, albeit with a fresh coat of paint.  Time , I hope,  will  prove me wrong.</p>
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		By: Nobody		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nobody]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 07:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They&#039;re not called, &quot;The Ruling Class&quot; for nothing. 

The pedestrian Left gets taken in by the same old rouse from Labour every time, and then when they are inevitably betrayed, they weep and wail like it was the first time.

I said it before this election and I&#039;ll say it again, Labour doesn&#039;t win elections because of disconnect in the electorate, they win them because the Ruling Class realise that their natural tool, the National Party has gone blunt and can no longer get the job done. 

The Hard Left fought the previous government to a stand still on the TPP so Labour was brought in to finish the job. Jacinda Ardern was plucked from obscurity for this very purpose. That is why Jacinda and Co *literally ran* to get the TPP signed, metaphorically leaping over god knows how many more pressing issues in the process - it is the ONLY thing this government has done with urgency. It tells you exactly who they&#039;re trying to impress. 

After that was done, we discovered that after 9 years in opposition, they had no concrete plans at all. How can that be? Because they are crystal clear on their role and function if absolutely no one else is on the Left; they don&#039;t need any plans, because they will be told what their plans are by the Ruling Class, on a bloody need-to-know basis. And in the absence of any orders to the contrary, carry on carrying on with the Neo Liberal Agenda and the Washington Concensus.

The Permanent Public Service actually runs the government day to day, year to year and government to government, and they are hand in glove with Big Business. If you stand in front of the Bee Hive for any length of time on a work day, you can see the Business Lobbiests come and go. They generally come out smiling. You quickly realise that if they stop coming out smiling, they will stop coming at all, and when that happens, the government will fall. 

That&#039;s how the government of NZ really works, in essence. All the rest is simply theatre. 

Case in point; we&#039;ve needed a Banking Royal Commission for years. Everyone knows that, the government best of all. Occupy Auckland told us that much! But it&#039;s only the sheer weight of dead trees coming out of the Australian Press that can&#039;t be ignored that would force us to have one if ever, out of sheer embarrassment. If the Government actually governed, it would be New Zealand leading the charge. But the Government does not govern. The Ruling Class governs.

After a while, after enough heartbreak, outrage and betrayal, the Hard Left will once again start protesting, and the Ruling Class will realise this government is finished too, and they will bring in a new one, and then a new government will push the Capitalist ball further down the field. It really doesn&#039;t matter, chocolate or vanilla, blue or red, both teams are owned by the same Club.

We&#039;re deluded if we think this is Democracy, it&#039;s nothing like it. The only way to change this is to make the majority Proletariat the new Ruling Class, but it seems no one here knows how to do that. Not even the Hard Left knows how to do that I have discovered, so round and round we go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re not called, &#8220;The Ruling Class&#8221; for nothing. </p>
<p>The pedestrian Left gets taken in by the same old rouse from Labour every time, and then when they are inevitably betrayed, they weep and wail like it was the first time.</p>
<p>I said it before this election and I&#8217;ll say it again, Labour doesn&#8217;t win elections because of disconnect in the electorate, they win them because the Ruling Class realise that their natural tool, the National Party has gone blunt and can no longer get the job done. </p>
<p>The Hard Left fought the previous government to a stand still on the TPP so Labour was brought in to finish the job. Jacinda Ardern was plucked from obscurity for this very purpose. That is why Jacinda and Co *literally ran* to get the TPP signed, metaphorically leaping over god knows how many more pressing issues in the process &#8211; it is the ONLY thing this government has done with urgency. It tells you exactly who they&#8217;re trying to impress. </p>
<p>After that was done, we discovered that after 9 years in opposition, they had no concrete plans at all. How can that be? Because they are crystal clear on their role and function if absolutely no one else is on the Left; they don&#8217;t need any plans, because they will be told what their plans are by the Ruling Class, on a bloody need-to-know basis. And in the absence of any orders to the contrary, carry on carrying on with the Neo Liberal Agenda and the Washington Concensus.</p>
<p>The Permanent Public Service actually runs the government day to day, year to year and government to government, and they are hand in glove with Big Business. If you stand in front of the Bee Hive for any length of time on a work day, you can see the Business Lobbiests come and go. They generally come out smiling. You quickly realise that if they stop coming out smiling, they will stop coming at all, and when that happens, the government will fall. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s how the government of NZ really works, in essence. All the rest is simply theatre. </p>
<p>Case in point; we&#8217;ve needed a Banking Royal Commission for years. Everyone knows that, the government best of all. Occupy Auckland told us that much! But it&#8217;s only the sheer weight of dead trees coming out of the Australian Press that can&#8217;t be ignored that would force us to have one if ever, out of sheer embarrassment. If the Government actually governed, it would be New Zealand leading the charge. But the Government does not govern. The Ruling Class governs.</p>
<p>After a while, after enough heartbreak, outrage and betrayal, the Hard Left will once again start protesting, and the Ruling Class will realise this government is finished too, and they will bring in a new one, and then a new government will push the Capitalist ball further down the field. It really doesn&#8217;t matter, chocolate or vanilla, blue or red, both teams are owned by the same Club.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re deluded if we think this is Democracy, it&#8217;s nothing like it. The only way to change this is to make the majority Proletariat the new Ruling Class, but it seems no one here knows how to do that. Not even the Hard Left knows how to do that I have discovered, so round and round we go.</p>
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		By: Theodore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Theodore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 00:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s not be too harsh here.

Neo-liberalism has impacted NZ for 30-plus years. It&#039;s tentacles reach into every part of our nation&#039;s economy, social services, and as well psyche.

It&#039;ll take more than 6 months to overturn the neo-liberal regime. Let&#039;s  give  them some room before jumping over their heads.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not be too harsh here.</p>
<p>Neo-liberalism has impacted NZ for 30-plus years. It&#8217;s tentacles reach into every part of our nation&#8217;s economy, social services, and as well psyche.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll take more than 6 months to overturn the neo-liberal regime. Let&#8217;s  give  them some room before jumping over their heads.</p>
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