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		By: Greywarbler		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/men-to-boys/#comment-130948</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/men-to-boys/#comment-130935&quot;&gt;Aaron&lt;/a&gt;.

Aaron
You sound like the new feminists.   Everything is someone else&#039;s fault.   I never got a chance and is unfair to me.
On the other hand when looking at unsatisfactory outcomes, the wise person or manager would find a way to change the systems being used until a successful method was found.
   
 I have experienced how hard it is to get boys at school to concentrate and learn something out of their immediate interests.    Just one period on one day I was supporting an ordinary teenage boy to collect his thoughts, and write down something about his holidays;  every suggestion I made was met with a dunno.  All he could do was look at his friends and wish he was with them.   Another boy, with all the library resources, got out a motor cycle magazine and flicked through the pages, making motor sounds - vroom, vroom.

I looked up Donald Trump&#039;s education and childhood;  he was impossible to teach if he decided he didn&#039;t want to know something.   He&#039;d sit and glower.    Later he was sent to a military academy.    That&#039;s how they spoil the minds and imaginations of young men in USA.    A recent UK book about the better schools for boys and young men posits that they grow up as cold individuals, not knowing loving family life because they are boarding, and their main interest and loyalties are to their schoolmates and their class privileges.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/men-to-boys/#comment-130935">Aaron</a>.</p>
<p>Aaron<br />
You sound like the new feminists.   Everything is someone else&#8217;s fault.   I never got a chance and is unfair to me.<br />
On the other hand when looking at unsatisfactory outcomes, the wise person or manager would find a way to change the systems being used until a successful method was found.</p>
<p> I have experienced how hard it is to get boys at school to concentrate and learn something out of their immediate interests.    Just one period on one day I was supporting an ordinary teenage boy to collect his thoughts, and write down something about his holidays;  every suggestion I made was met with a dunno.  All he could do was look at his friends and wish he was with them.   Another boy, with all the library resources, got out a motor cycle magazine and flicked through the pages, making motor sounds &#8211; vroom, vroom.</p>
<p>I looked up Donald Trump&#8217;s education and childhood;  he was impossible to teach if he decided he didn&#8217;t want to know something.   He&#8217;d sit and glower.    Later he was sent to a military academy.    That&#8217;s how they spoil the minds and imaginations of young men in USA.    A recent UK book about the better schools for boys and young men posits that they grow up as cold individuals, not knowing loving family life because they are boarding, and their main interest and loyalties are to their schoolmates and their class privileges.</p>
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		By: Richard Christie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 08:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Makes me want to dust off and reattach the &quot;Real Men Don&#039;t Play Rugby&quot; bumper sticker I made myself twenty years ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes me want to dust off and reattach the &#8220;Real Men Don&#8217;t Play Rugby&#8221; bumper sticker I made myself twenty years ago.</p>
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		By: Bonnie		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/men-to-boys/#comment-130946</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A system was started almost 2000 years ago to develop gentlemen who would be able to improve society yet it got taken over by the muscle bound male ego which lead to the dark ages. Any attempt to force acceptable behaviour will probably get support from enough of the population to become official although it is only decisions people are free to make that will eventually succeed in changing them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A system was started almost 2000 years ago to develop gentlemen who would be able to improve society yet it got taken over by the muscle bound male ego which lead to the dark ages. Any attempt to force acceptable behaviour will probably get support from enough of the population to become official although it is only decisions people are free to make that will eventually succeed in changing them.</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/men-to-boys/#comment-130945</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2020 23:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/men-to-boys/#comment-130944&quot;&gt;SOB&lt;/a&gt;.

What makes the All Blacks so great is:

A pool of highly competitive talent
 
Recruitment

Training

Management 

Tactics

Economics which is the luxury of being a 1st world nation

If you&#039;re substandard in anyone one of these key areas then you will produce substandard rugby players relative to the All Blacks which is an area feminists don&#039;t understand when they promote the idea that woman should play in the All Blacks.

Replicating as much as possible the All Blacks brand and reputation so woman can have some sort of equality will not make woman rich, and it won&#039;t make woman equal with the All Blacks. 

The All Blacks are physically the best New Zealand can produce. They&#039;re big muscular guys, and you need huge amounts of testosterone for that which means they&#039;ve bphot the Nui raarks (papa rakua, you get what I mean). So if you&#039;re deficient in any of these areas you will not, no mater how hard some one screams will not achieve equality with the All Blacks. We can lower the standards for the standards of the All Blacks to bring them down to the standards of the woman&#039;s divisions but we can&#039;t raise the standard of the woman&#039;s divisions so they equal the All Blacks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/men-to-boys/#comment-130944">SOB</a>.</p>
<p>What makes the All Blacks so great is:</p>
<p>A pool of highly competitive talent</p>
<p>Recruitment</p>
<p>Training</p>
<p>Management </p>
<p>Tactics</p>
<p>Economics which is the luxury of being a 1st world nation</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re substandard in anyone one of these key areas then you will produce substandard rugby players relative to the All Blacks which is an area feminists don&#8217;t understand when they promote the idea that woman should play in the All Blacks.</p>
<p>Replicating as much as possible the All Blacks brand and reputation so woman can have some sort of equality will not make woman rich, and it won&#8217;t make woman equal with the All Blacks. </p>
<p>The All Blacks are physically the best New Zealand can produce. They&#8217;re big muscular guys, and you need huge amounts of testosterone for that which means they&#8217;ve bphot the Nui raarks (papa rakua, you get what I mean). So if you&#8217;re deficient in any of these areas you will not, no mater how hard some one screams will not achieve equality with the All Blacks. We can lower the standards for the standards of the All Blacks to bring them down to the standards of the woman&#8217;s divisions but we can&#8217;t raise the standard of the woman&#8217;s divisions so they equal the All Blacks.</p>
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		By: SOB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2020 07:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yesterday there was an argument about whether we got the government we wanted or we (cough) had no choice but to vote for neolib scum.
The truth is we got what the majority asked for, and governments run very sophisticated algorithms to determine what we want and then give it to us, a ram rod up the arse.
This is no different. NRL gives people what they want to see. Sure their business model is fallible, but no more than many others as we are now seeing.
The point is, don&#039;t be so pompous and elitist that you cannot see this.
Unless of course you are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday there was an argument about whether we got the government we wanted or we (cough) had no choice but to vote for neolib scum.<br />
The truth is we got what the majority asked for, and governments run very sophisticated algorithms to determine what we want and then give it to us, a ram rod up the arse.<br />
This is no different. NRL gives people what they want to see. Sure their business model is fallible, but no more than many others as we are now seeing.<br />
The point is, don&#8217;t be so pompous and elitist that you cannot see this.<br />
Unless of course you are.</p>
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		By: WILD KATIPO		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/men-to-boys/#comment-130943</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2020 05:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dunno, Chris, since time began, the male attributes have been valued, the only reason why those &#039;English aristocracy&#039; attributes were made possible was because of the growth from hunter gatherer society&#039;s to one of,.... servile men.

Here&#039;s Tom Sewid of the Kwakwaka’wakw (Kwakiutl) First Nations Tribes, otherwise known as Canadian Indians. He was/is an elder and shaman of the tribe as well...

This might be true with England or New Zealand, but there are many gritty types out there all around the world, real tough nuts who are the veritable salt of the earth.

Have a listen :

Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:328 Encounters around the ...www.stitcher.com › podcast › bigfoot-hotspot-radio › sc-ep328-encount..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno, Chris, since time began, the male attributes have been valued, the only reason why those &#8216;English aristocracy&#8217; attributes were made possible was because of the growth from hunter gatherer society&#8217;s to one of,&#8230;. servile men.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Tom Sewid of the Kwakwaka’wakw (Kwakiutl) First Nations Tribes, otherwise known as Canadian Indians. He was/is an elder and shaman of the tribe as well&#8230;</p>
<p>This might be true with England or New Zealand, but there are many gritty types out there all around the world, real tough nuts who are the veritable salt of the earth.</p>
<p>Have a listen :</p>
<p>Sasquatch Chronicles &#8211; SC EP:328 Encounters around the &#8230;www.stitcher.com › podcast › bigfoot-hotspot-radio › sc-ep328-encount..</p>
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		By: Rawshark		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/men-to-boys/#comment-130942</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2020 03:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I dunno. Women have Tova as their idiot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno. Women have Tova as their idiot.</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2020 03:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I disagree with you country boy that guys like him never had a chance. It&#039;s a shitty chance, but the vast majority of feminine men never really make it out of state housing but I know guys that do, Hone Harawira, my own grandfather. My Great Grand Mother was born on a dirt floor, my grandmother was born in a tent, my mother was born in a one bedroom flat, I was born in a hospital. That&#039;s four generations from 3rd world to 1st world and we all cam from fatherless backgrounds. 

So how do people stop being a lossaholic? 

There&#039;s nothing wrong with seeking out masculine men and emulating them. Being a copy cat might get you kicked out of university but it won&#039;t get you kicked out of state housing projects, and it&#039;s an absolute fallacy that to succeed you have to be a genius. I don&#039;t consider myself to be a genius, Iv had my ups and downs and so have many people here. But the one thing we have is we worked, stuck to what worked, didn&#039;t over celebrate and treated everyone as a business.

Most people are able to do that, not everyone but most people are able to do that.

One of the most obvious things to say is there&#039;s no short cut. School just opens the door then education, and work ethic does the rest. Yknow if you think there are short cuts then you really will have &quot;no chance.&quot; 

Sceptical men stay alive and cynical males suffer paralysis. Has anyone worked with cynical people? How much longer have they made you&#039;re day? How much energy have they drained from you with their negativity? There&#039;s no room for cynicism, you either think you can do it or you can not. 

And we get plenty of cynical people coming to TDB saying its to hard, it&#039;s Jacinda&#039;s fault, or &quot;I&#039;ll never have the informational edge that we do.&quot; There&#039;s always people dragging us down, Yknow what ever, there&#039;s no excuses. 

Men have one job and it&#039;s pretty fucken simple. You get a payslip every week with a number at the bottom and your job is to make that number bigger.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with you country boy that guys like him never had a chance. It&#8217;s a shitty chance, but the vast majority of feminine men never really make it out of state housing but I know guys that do, Hone Harawira, my own grandfather. My Great Grand Mother was born on a dirt floor, my grandmother was born in a tent, my mother was born in a one bedroom flat, I was born in a hospital. That&#8217;s four generations from 3rd world to 1st world and we all cam from fatherless backgrounds. </p>
<p>So how do people stop being a lossaholic? </p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with seeking out masculine men and emulating them. Being a copy cat might get you kicked out of university but it won&#8217;t get you kicked out of state housing projects, and it&#8217;s an absolute fallacy that to succeed you have to be a genius. I don&#8217;t consider myself to be a genius, Iv had my ups and downs and so have many people here. But the one thing we have is we worked, stuck to what worked, didn&#8217;t over celebrate and treated everyone as a business.</p>
<p>Most people are able to do that, not everyone but most people are able to do that.</p>
<p>One of the most obvious things to say is there&#8217;s no short cut. School just opens the door then education, and work ethic does the rest. Yknow if you think there are short cuts then you really will have &#8220;no chance.&#8221; </p>
<p>Sceptical men stay alive and cynical males suffer paralysis. Has anyone worked with cynical people? How much longer have they made you&#8217;re day? How much energy have they drained from you with their negativity? There&#8217;s no room for cynicism, you either think you can do it or you can not. </p>
<p>And we get plenty of cynical people coming to TDB saying its to hard, it&#8217;s Jacinda&#8217;s fault, or &#8220;I&#8217;ll never have the informational edge that we do.&#8221; There&#8217;s always people dragging us down, Yknow what ever, there&#8217;s no excuses. </p>
<p>Men have one job and it&#8217;s pretty fucken simple. You get a payslip every week with a number at the bottom and your job is to make that number bigger.</p>
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		By: Tiger Mountain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2020 02:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Decades have passed since the masculinity questioning “Whaddarya?” cry from Greg McGee’s “Foreskins Lament” play of the ’81 Springbok Tour era–but such withering accusatory statements are still made in modern parlance by angry boofheads from one end of this country to the other.

I jettisoned most of my rarely seen old Queen St. male V8 mates as soon as they discovered Facebook–few of them seemed to have learnt anything whatsoever in 40 years. A seething anger about ‘something’ bugs them. I suspect it is existential questions like New Zealand’s first independent thinkers encountered, and the fall out from Roger’n’Ruth’s legacy, they just can’t articulate it like early progressive writers, artists and architects were able to. Some of the Female V8ers however are different, they have moved on and in many cases reinvented themselves in various ways and are good company even in 2020.

I was lucky I guess and discovered art, literature and the Auckland International Film Festival etc. at a young age. There is a strong hardwired component along with upbringing and school decile, as to which fork in the road we all take–anti intellectualism or empathy and enquiry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decades have passed since the masculinity questioning “Whaddarya?” cry from Greg McGee’s “Foreskins Lament” play of the ’81 Springbok Tour era–but such withering accusatory statements are still made in modern parlance by angry boofheads from one end of this country to the other.</p>
<p>I jettisoned most of my rarely seen old Queen St. male V8 mates as soon as they discovered Facebook–few of them seemed to have learnt anything whatsoever in 40 years. A seething anger about ‘something’ bugs them. I suspect it is existential questions like New Zealand’s first independent thinkers encountered, and the fall out from Roger’n’Ruth’s legacy, they just can’t articulate it like early progressive writers, artists and architects were able to. Some of the Female V8ers however are different, they have moved on and in many cases reinvented themselves in various ways and are good company even in 2020.</p>
<p>I was lucky I guess and discovered art, literature and the Auckland International Film Festival etc. at a young age. There is a strong hardwired component along with upbringing and school decile, as to which fork in the road we all take–anti intellectualism or empathy and enquiry.</p>
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		By: Chris Harris		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2020 01:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rebels without a cause, I meant to write. Left out the &#039;a&#039;.]]></description>
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