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		By: Tui		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@BwaV
I would agree that Woke-A is centre left leaning.  That is a thread the goes back through 2nd wave feminism, civil rights era some would argue back to the enlightenment.  I&#039;d describe Woke-B as an insurgent ideology claiming to be a continuation of Woke-A.  A cuckoo in the progressive next. 

I don&#039;t completely agree that Woke-B is centre right.  From a culture-politics perspective it is far-left.  The ideology is an offshoot of neomarxism with postmodern tools. However the absence of a socio-economic analysis (that isn&#039;t downstream of identity) means Woke-B is generally despised by marxists.  The fixation with grand narratives (conflict theory) means it is not truely postmodern either.  So even on the far-left it is niche.

Further it misapplies Critical Theory (a reflective discourse to find fault) because that should be used as ONE tool of many in a socratic dialogue.  Old school Critical Theorists understood this, but modern ones use  Critical Theory as the ONLY analytical tool and simultaneously claim relativism within their model while asserting that same model (described above) is objectively true.  Much of what is corrupted in modern academia and activism lies at their door.

Where I do agree with you is from an economic-politics perceptive.  The neoliberal embrace of Woke-B is what has caused it to go mainstream and become so influential rather than remain in fringe academia.  Corporatists can now claim to change the world for the better without personal cost or sacrifice while accruing all the social status and clout of virtue theatre.  In cultural and social terms it is the equivalent of privatising the profits and socialising the debts.  The perfect diversion of activist energy and politics post-occupy Wall Street.

As you say &quot;an imagined present that signals virtue but achieves nothing, is counterproductive.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BwaV<br />
I would agree that Woke-A is centre left leaning.  That is a thread the goes back through 2nd wave feminism, civil rights era some would argue back to the enlightenment.  I&#8217;d describe Woke-B as an insurgent ideology claiming to be a continuation of Woke-A.  A cuckoo in the progressive next. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t completely agree that Woke-B is centre right.  From a culture-politics perspective it is far-left.  The ideology is an offshoot of neomarxism with postmodern tools. However the absence of a socio-economic analysis (that isn&#8217;t downstream of identity) means Woke-B is generally despised by marxists.  The fixation with grand narratives (conflict theory) means it is not truely postmodern either.  So even on the far-left it is niche.</p>
<p>Further it misapplies Critical Theory (a reflective discourse to find fault) because that should be used as ONE tool of many in a socratic dialogue.  Old school Critical Theorists understood this, but modern ones use  Critical Theory as the ONLY analytical tool and simultaneously claim relativism within their model while asserting that same model (described above) is objectively true.  Much of what is corrupted in modern academia and activism lies at their door.</p>
<p>Where I do agree with you is from an economic-politics perceptive.  The neoliberal embrace of Woke-B is what has caused it to go mainstream and become so influential rather than remain in fringe academia.  Corporatists can now claim to change the world for the better without personal cost or sacrifice while accruing all the social status and clout of virtue theatre.  In cultural and social terms it is the equivalent of privatising the profits and socialising the debts.  The perfect diversion of activist energy and politics post-occupy Wall Street.</p>
<p>As you say &#8220;an imagined present that signals virtue but achieves nothing, is counterproductive.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Tui		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 09:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/mediawatch-damien-grant-a-notorious-white-cis-male-is-doing-more-to-defend-free-speech-than-the-entire-green-party-put-together-just-let-that-sink-in/#comment-245244&quot;&gt;Daniel&lt;/a&gt;.

@Daniel, agreed in that sense Woke-B is like a religion where the the emphasis is on sin and punishment but without forgiveness.  

It has the additional characteristic of the conservation of psychic guilt or pain where an individual shares the collective sin or pain of individuals with the same identity markers who committed crimes or suffered the consequences within a selectively curated account of history.  

You find this even if it makes no sense, such as with Irish and most Eastern Europeans who as a people were on the receiving end of Empire for much of their history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/mediawatch-damien-grant-a-notorious-white-cis-male-is-doing-more-to-defend-free-speech-than-the-entire-green-party-put-together-just-let-that-sink-in/#comment-245244">Daniel</a>.</p>
<p>@Daniel, agreed in that sense Woke-B is like a religion where the the emphasis is on sin and punishment but without forgiveness.  </p>
<p>It has the additional characteristic of the conservation of psychic guilt or pain where an individual shares the collective sin or pain of individuals with the same identity markers who committed crimes or suffered the consequences within a selectively curated account of history.  </p>
<p>You find this even if it makes no sense, such as with Irish and most Eastern Europeans who as a people were on the receiving end of Empire for much of their history.</p>
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		By: they call me trinity		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2023 01:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/mediawatch-damien-grant-a-notorious-white-cis-male-is-doing-more-to-defend-free-speech-than-the-entire-green-party-put-together-just-let-that-sink-in/#comment-245220&quot;&gt;plebeian&lt;/a&gt;.

Cancel the dirty smoker - draw and quarter him, put him on the wheel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/mediawatch-damien-grant-a-notorious-white-cis-male-is-doing-more-to-defend-free-speech-than-the-entire-green-party-put-together-just-let-that-sink-in/#comment-245220">plebeian</a>.</p>
<p>Cancel the dirty smoker &#8211; draw and quarter him, put him on the wheel.</p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2023 01:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/mediawatch-damien-grant-a-notorious-white-cis-male-is-doing-more-to-defend-free-speech-than-the-entire-green-party-put-together-just-let-that-sink-in/#comment-245238&quot;&gt;Tui&lt;/a&gt;.

And one of the fundamental principles of the Western enlightenment tradition, that the individual can change and improve themselves, no longer applies - you have the attributes that woke B assign to your group and anything you may have done or said, regardless of context, can and will be used against you at any time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/mediawatch-damien-grant-a-notorious-white-cis-male-is-doing-more-to-defend-free-speech-than-the-entire-green-party-put-together-just-let-that-sink-in/#comment-245238">Tui</a>.</p>
<p>And one of the fundamental principles of the Western enlightenment tradition, that the individual can change and improve themselves, no longer applies &#8211; you have the attributes that woke B assign to your group and anything you may have done or said, regardless of context, can and will be used against you at any time.</p>
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		By: Archonblatter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2023 22:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@BwaV
I think you&#039;ve got your wires crossed old chappy/girl, along with everything else.
Politics of distraction you know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BwaV<br />
I think you&#8217;ve got your wires crossed old chappy/girl, along with everything else.<br />
Politics of distraction you know.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2023 22:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Te Rob&#039;s Mob
The &#039;Cycles of Heaven&#039; never cease, neither does the condition of the human animal change.
Galaxy song (Monty Python)
Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown, 
And things seem hard or tough, 
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft, 
(sung) 
And you feel that you&#039;ve had quite eno-o-o-o-o-ough, 
 
Just remember that you&#039;re standing on a planet that&#039;s evolving 
And revolving at 900 miles an hour. 
It&#039;s orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it&#039;s reckoned, 
The sun that is the source of all our power. 
Now the sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see, 
Are moving at a million miles a day, 
In the outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour, 
Of a galaxy we call the Milky Way. 
 
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars; 
It&#039;s a hundred thousand light-years side to side; 
It bulges in the middle sixteen thousand light-years thick, 
But out by us it&#039;s just three thousand light-years wide. 
We&#039;re thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point, 
We go &#039;round every two hundred million years; 
And our galaxy itself is one of millions of billions 
In this amazing and expanding universe. 
 (waltz) 
 Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding, 
In all of the directions it can whiz; 
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know, 
Twelve million miles a minute and that&#039;s the fastest speed there is. 
So remember, when you&#039;re feeling very small and insecure, 
How amazingly unlikely is your birth; 
And pray that there&#039;s intelligent life somewhere out in space, 
&#039;Cause there&#039;s bugger all down here on Earth!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Te Rob&#8217;s Mob<br />
The &#8216;Cycles of Heaven&#8217; never cease, neither does the condition of the human animal change.<br />
Galaxy song (Monty Python)<br />
Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown,<br />
And things seem hard or tough,<br />
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,<br />
(sung)<br />
And you feel that you&#8217;ve had quite eno-o-o-o-o-ough, </p>
<p>Just remember that you&#8217;re standing on a planet that&#8217;s evolving<br />
And revolving at 900 miles an hour.<br />
It&#8217;s orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it&#8217;s reckoned,<br />
The sun that is the source of all our power.<br />
Now the sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,<br />
Are moving at a million miles a day,<br />
In the outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour,<br />
Of a galaxy we call the Milky Way. </p>
<p>Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars;<br />
It&#8217;s a hundred thousand light-years side to side;<br />
It bulges in the middle sixteen thousand light-years thick,<br />
But out by us it&#8217;s just three thousand light-years wide.<br />
We&#8217;re thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point,<br />
We go &#8217;round every two hundred million years;<br />
And our galaxy itself is one of millions of billions<br />
In this amazing and expanding universe.<br />
 (waltz)<br />
 Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,<br />
In all of the directions it can whiz;<br />
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,<br />
Twelve million miles a minute and that&#8217;s the fastest speed there is.<br />
So remember, when you&#8217;re feeling very small and insecure,<br />
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;<br />
And pray that there&#8217;s intelligent life somewhere out in space,<br />
&#8216;Cause there&#8217;s bugger all down here on Earth!</p>
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		By: Bozo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2023 11:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, you&#039;re right sumsuch. But freedom of speech might get a shout out. More broadly, the battle line between conservatives, liberals and progressives, notwithstanding comments by Tui. But the social spaces, important as they often are,  are increasingly becoming subject to noise. There are bigger concerns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you&#8217;re right sumsuch. But freedom of speech might get a shout out. More broadly, the battle line between conservatives, liberals and progressives, notwithstanding comments by Tui. But the social spaces, important as they often are,  are increasingly becoming subject to noise. There are bigger concerns.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2023 08:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was a different Green Party back in 2004:

&quot;Green MP Keith Locke has accused the Immigration Service of not upholding the right of free speech in its refusal to allow David Irving into the country.

The Immigration Service has today confirmed that the controversial historian will be denied entry to New Zealand, on the grounds that he has been deported from another country. Mr Irving was deported from Canada in 1992.

&quot;David Irving&#039;s holocaust denial views are repugnant to most New Zealanders but that is not sufficient reason to bar him from New Zealand,&quot; said Mr Locke, the Green Party Human Rights spokesperson..&quot;

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0408/S00020.htm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a different Green Party back in 2004:</p>
<p>&#8220;Green MP Keith Locke has accused the Immigration Service of not upholding the right of free speech in its refusal to allow David Irving into the country.</p>
<p>The Immigration Service has today confirmed that the controversial historian will be denied entry to New Zealand, on the grounds that he has been deported from another country. Mr Irving was deported from Canada in 1992.</p>
<p>&#8220;David Irving&#8217;s holocaust denial views are repugnant to most New Zealanders but that is not sufficient reason to bar him from New Zealand,&#8221; said Mr Locke, the Green Party Human Rights spokesperson..&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0408/S00020.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0408/S00020.htm</a></p>
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		By: David+George		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2023 08:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What happened last weekend in New Zealand isn’t confined to one side of an otherwise principled political debate, in which a few bad actors are spoiling things for everyone else. It’s the latest instance of a post-democratic style of politics now well on its way to being the new normal.

It follows a pattern inseparable from the viral power of social media and its anonymous denizens: a fusion of “high” and “low” politics, in which Farage was a definitive innovator. But if Farage pioneered this populist style, it’s now being wielded far more widely — including to defend the status quo.&quot; Mary Harrington.
https://unherd.com/2023/03/what-posie-parker-learnt-from-brexit/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What happened last weekend in New Zealand isn’t confined to one side of an otherwise principled political debate, in which a few bad actors are spoiling things for everyone else. It’s the latest instance of a post-democratic style of politics now well on its way to being the new normal.</p>
<p>It follows a pattern inseparable from the viral power of social media and its anonymous denizens: a fusion of “high” and “low” politics, in which Farage was a definitive innovator. But if Farage pioneered this populist style, it’s now being wielded far more widely — including to defend the status quo.&#8221; Mary Harrington.<br />
<a href="https://unherd.com/2023/03/what-posie-parker-learnt-from-brexit/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://unherd.com/2023/03/what-posie-parker-learnt-from-brexit/</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2023 08:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@BwaV  It absolutely is NOT be a bad thing IF that was the characteristics of woke.  I suspect most people here would be fully supportive of it.  

Your definition, call it &#039;Woke-A&#039;, chimes with the original use of &#039;woke&#039; in American black culture (awake to injustice) before it was appropriated by the modern critical theorists.  Some might call that cultural appropriation.

This form of modern activism, call it &#039;Woke-B&#039;, is cultural conflict theory (neomarxism) that says the correct way to see society is as a series of oppressor/oppressed power dynamics across dimensions of race, sex, gender, sexuality, indigeneity, bodysize, neuro typical/divergent etc.  It has even extended to being left or right handed.  
Those on the oppressor side of the line have prilidge (white, male, cis, straight etc), Those on the oppressed side have victimhood (black, female, trans, gay etc).

The intersectional model then combines all these dimensions to determine ones total privilege (oppressor points) or victimhood (oppression points). Victimhood (and the ability to claim victimhood) becomes a currency of social status or clout, displacing ‘dignity’ which earlier generations of social activists rallied around.

EVERY interaction from the macro to interpersonal across these imagined dividing line is an oppressive power dynamic.   A black man married to white woman oppresses her because of his ‘masculinity’ and she oppresses him because of her ‘whiteness’.  They both oppress gay friends because of their ‘hetronormativity’.

A moral layer is often added so privilege equates to original sin, victimhood equates to sanctification.  However a white-male who confesses their privilege and fight&#039;s to overthrow oppression (defined by Woke B) has a &#039;critical consciousness&#039; and is acceptable.  The most black-trans-woman in the world, if they criticise Woke-B has a &#039;false consciousness&#039; and their &#039;lived experience&#039; can be completely disregarded.  Indeed often there is a very high cost for anyone with a &#039;sanctified identity&#039; who is a heretic.  

So in reality Woke-B is about ideological self-propogation using minorities as both political battering ram and rhetorical human shield, while discarding anyone who objects.

Woke-B gives rise to a kind of antipolitics where advancing anyone who is not white/male/cis/straight feels highly progressive but does not challenge underlying systems of neoliberal power.  Therefore it has been embraced by corporatists with Green washing, Rainbow washing and other kinds virtue theatre.  Children in Afghanistan and Pakistan can rest easy knowing Lockheed Martin is a Rainbow friendly company to work at.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BwaV  It absolutely is NOT be a bad thing IF that was the characteristics of woke.  I suspect most people here would be fully supportive of it.  </p>
<p>Your definition, call it &#8216;Woke-A&#8217;, chimes with the original use of &#8216;woke&#8217; in American black culture (awake to injustice) before it was appropriated by the modern critical theorists.  Some might call that cultural appropriation.</p>
<p>This form of modern activism, call it &#8216;Woke-B&#8217;, is cultural conflict theory (neomarxism) that says the correct way to see society is as a series of oppressor/oppressed power dynamics across dimensions of race, sex, gender, sexuality, indigeneity, bodysize, neuro typical/divergent etc.  It has even extended to being left or right handed.<br />
Those on the oppressor side of the line have prilidge (white, male, cis, straight etc), Those on the oppressed side have victimhood (black, female, trans, gay etc).</p>
<p>The intersectional model then combines all these dimensions to determine ones total privilege (oppressor points) or victimhood (oppression points). Victimhood (and the ability to claim victimhood) becomes a currency of social status or clout, displacing ‘dignity’ which earlier generations of social activists rallied around.</p>
<p>EVERY interaction from the macro to interpersonal across these imagined dividing line is an oppressive power dynamic.   A black man married to white woman oppresses her because of his ‘masculinity’ and she oppresses him because of her ‘whiteness’.  They both oppress gay friends because of their ‘hetronormativity’.</p>
<p>A moral layer is often added so privilege equates to original sin, victimhood equates to sanctification.  However a white-male who confesses their privilege and fight&#8217;s to overthrow oppression (defined by Woke B) has a &#8216;critical consciousness&#8217; and is acceptable.  The most black-trans-woman in the world, if they criticise Woke-B has a &#8216;false consciousness&#8217; and their &#8216;lived experience&#8217; can be completely disregarded.  Indeed often there is a very high cost for anyone with a &#8216;sanctified identity&#8217; who is a heretic.  </p>
<p>So in reality Woke-B is about ideological self-propogation using minorities as both political battering ram and rhetorical human shield, while discarding anyone who objects.</p>
<p>Woke-B gives rise to a kind of antipolitics where advancing anyone who is not white/male/cis/straight feels highly progressive but does not challenge underlying systems of neoliberal power.  Therefore it has been embraced by corporatists with Green washing, Rainbow washing and other kinds virtue theatre.  Children in Afghanistan and Pakistan can rest easy knowing Lockheed Martin is a Rainbow friendly company to work at.</p>
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