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		By: Rodel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rodel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2020 11:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I nats get back in, look out kiwisave, and kiwibank and kiwirail and kiwianything.
Brierly&#039;s ( whatever happened to him?) asset stripping will be minor compared to Muller&#039;s asset sales.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I nats get back in, look out kiwisave, and kiwibank and kiwirail and kiwianything.<br />
Brierly&#8217;s ( whatever happened to him?) asset stripping will be minor compared to Muller&#8217;s asset sales.</p>
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		By: Susan St John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan St John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2020 07:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[oops you are right-- the NZ Initiative - note to self-- always double check]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops you are right&#8211; the NZ Initiative &#8211; note to self&#8211; always double check</p>
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		By: r		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2020 04:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[touch my money n you fucks will be in the shit!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>touch my money n you fucks will be in the shit!</p>
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		By: Terry Coggan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terry Coggan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 23:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It’s a human right to be able to lead a dignified and secure life when you are no longer able to work, but successive  governments have refused to set universal superannuation at a level that allows this.  They pay a propagandist called “the retirement commissioner” a six figure salary to drum away at the message that we must provide for ourselves, and thoughtfully provide the vehicle, KiwiSaver.

In good faith, many workers try to build up their KiwiSaver account, often at considerable sacrifice. Many were dismayed when the recent Stockmarket slump shaved thousands off their fund. A workmate of mine, who was very proud of her balance, said quite accurately, “They’ve stolen my hard-earned money.”

Don’t worry , we are told, the markets will recover. Well, maybe, maybe not. But no one asks the basic question, “ Why should our retirement security depend on the vagaries of their markets in the first place?”

What the ideologues at the NZ Institute ignore, or cover up, is that all pensions are not a grant, but an entitlement. They are just deferred earnings, part of the value that workers create through their labour, that the state or the employer holds back to - perhaps- pay out later. That’s also why it’s a lie to say that superannuation will be a burden on future generations. We have already paid for it. As Marx said, “Each generation pays for its own wars.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a human right to be able to lead a dignified and secure life when you are no longer able to work, but successive  governments have refused to set universal superannuation at a level that allows this.  They pay a propagandist called “the retirement commissioner” a six figure salary to drum away at the message that we must provide for ourselves, and thoughtfully provide the vehicle, KiwiSaver.</p>
<p>In good faith, many workers try to build up their KiwiSaver account, often at considerable sacrifice. Many were dismayed when the recent Stockmarket slump shaved thousands off their fund. A workmate of mine, who was very proud of her balance, said quite accurately, “They’ve stolen my hard-earned money.”</p>
<p>Don’t worry , we are told, the markets will recover. Well, maybe, maybe not. But no one asks the basic question, “ Why should our retirement security depend on the vagaries of their markets in the first place?”</p>
<p>What the ideologues at the NZ Institute ignore, or cover up, is that all pensions are not a grant, but an entitlement. They are just deferred earnings, part of the value that workers create through their labour, that the state or the employer holds back to &#8211; perhaps- pay out later. That’s also why it’s a lie to say that superannuation will be a burden on future generations. We have already paid for it. As Marx said, “Each generation pays for its own wars.”</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lets-please-save-kiwisaver-from-the-axe/#comment-139193</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 11:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My daughter has a Kiwi saver account in which she has accumulated tens of thousands of dollars which she otherwise would not have saved.

Originally the govt contributed a greater share but this was whittled away by the Key Regime. Labour need to put that right. The higher the subsidy the greater incentive there is for workers to save to gain the subsidy. Its a perfect election bribe for Labour.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter has a Kiwi saver account in which she has accumulated tens of thousands of dollars which she otherwise would not have saved.</p>
<p>Originally the govt contributed a greater share but this was whittled away by the Key Regime. Labour need to put that right. The higher the subsidy the greater incentive there is for workers to save to gain the subsidy. Its a perfect election bribe for Labour.</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lets-please-save-kiwisaver-from-the-axe/#comment-139192</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 10:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wealth is created by human labour.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wealth is created by human labour.</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 10:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lets-please-save-kiwisaver-from-the-axe/#comment-139178&quot;&gt;Iainz&lt;/a&gt;.

Muldoon got in with massive backing from CIA (Hanna-Barbera) running the communist scare of a superannuation system where individuals contributed to their accounts held by the NZ govt so guaranteed.   
The last thing banks wanted to see was people investing in their country.  In a matter of months the govt had accumulated substantial capital held by citizens and it was obvious that Govt borrowing would be a thing of the past.
A whole new framework where citizens owned the show not private off shore banks,   If that excellent scheme had continued then NZ would have been well heeled and capable of lending for profit to other states.

But the yanks were not going to have that so McCarthy was dragged out of the cupboard and the Cossacks danced on the TV screen accompanied with lies and scare tactics. 

Cullen was &quot;allowed&quot; to bring in Kiwi Saver as Kiwis money was given to private fund managers to play with and charge &quot;management fees&quot; for the privilege. .   When the gambling is over and the coming financial crash comes then Kiwis Saver&#039;s money will be gone.
A rort disguised.

Kirk&#039;s scheme was govt backed.  
Kiwisaver is not and the money contributed by the govt is given to fund managers to gamble with.

There should be a Kiwi Saver fund owned and run by the NZ govt with guaranteed backing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lets-please-save-kiwisaver-from-the-axe/#comment-139178">Iainz</a>.</p>
<p>Muldoon got in with massive backing from CIA (Hanna-Barbera) running the communist scare of a superannuation system where individuals contributed to their accounts held by the NZ govt so guaranteed.<br />
The last thing banks wanted to see was people investing in their country.  In a matter of months the govt had accumulated substantial capital held by citizens and it was obvious that Govt borrowing would be a thing of the past.<br />
A whole new framework where citizens owned the show not private off shore banks,   If that excellent scheme had continued then NZ would have been well heeled and capable of lending for profit to other states.</p>
<p>But the yanks were not going to have that so McCarthy was dragged out of the cupboard and the Cossacks danced on the TV screen accompanied with lies and scare tactics. </p>
<p>Cullen was &#8220;allowed&#8221; to bring in Kiwi Saver as Kiwis money was given to private fund managers to play with and charge &#8220;management fees&#8221; for the privilege. .   When the gambling is over and the coming financial crash comes then Kiwis Saver&#8217;s money will be gone.<br />
A rort disguised.</p>
<p>Kirk&#8217;s scheme was govt backed.<br />
Kiwisaver is not and the money contributed by the govt is given to fund managers to gamble with.</p>
<p>There should be a Kiwi Saver fund owned and run by the NZ govt with guaranteed backing.</p>
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		By: Diane says:		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lets-please-save-kiwisaver-from-the-axe/#comment-139180&quot;&gt;WILD KATIPO&lt;/a&gt;.

Who&#039;s the German dude in charge? 
Why is a German dude running the New Zealand Institute? 
Is this a FFS-forehead- head-slap moment?
Would this be like John Palino and Luigi Wewege running the Auckland Council as mayor and mayor&#039;s henchman?
Who pays for the light bulbs, wages, fax machine and suits at the NZ Institute? 
Follow the money and the influencers?  Did you know that effluent and influencers have no acronymic correlation?  
How does one access the tax records and funding of the New Zealand Institute Nicky Hager?
Who pays Mr Zippy and the taxpayers coalition? 
How does one access the tax records and funding of the Taxpayers Coalition Nicky Hager?
I need a new book to read just before the election Nicky?
Probably enough for a couple of books, or a book and a sequel, or a sequel and a prequel Nicky?
Follow the money and the influencers?  Did you know that Zippy and Williams have no acronymic correlation?
So many questions, so little time before the election, but there&#039;s got to be a whiff, a National Party dirty politics mephitis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lets-please-save-kiwisaver-from-the-axe/#comment-139180">WILD KATIPO</a>.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s the German dude in charge?<br />
Why is a German dude running the New Zealand Institute?<br />
Is this a FFS-forehead- head-slap moment?<br />
Would this be like John Palino and Luigi Wewege running the Auckland Council as mayor and mayor&#8217;s henchman?<br />
Who pays for the light bulbs, wages, fax machine and suits at the NZ Institute?<br />
Follow the money and the influencers?  Did you know that effluent and influencers have no acronymic correlation?<br />
How does one access the tax records and funding of the New Zealand Institute Nicky Hager?<br />
Who pays Mr Zippy and the taxpayers coalition?<br />
How does one access the tax records and funding of the Taxpayers Coalition Nicky Hager?<br />
I need a new book to read just before the election Nicky?<br />
Probably enough for a couple of books, or a book and a sequel, or a sequel and a prequel Nicky?<br />
Follow the money and the influencers?  Did you know that Zippy and Williams have no acronymic correlation?<br />
So many questions, so little time before the election, but there&#8217;s got to be a whiff, a National Party dirty politics mephitis.</p>
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		By: Jess		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 07:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m 30 and think Kiwisaver is a great initiative. Hearing how much superannuation costs each year I have a strong suspicion it&#039;s either gone completely or pushed back 5-10 years by the time I go to retire and without Kiwisaver I wouldn&#039;t have a cent saved or even thought about retirement yet. Same for my husband!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 30 and think Kiwisaver is a great initiative. Hearing how much superannuation costs each year I have a strong suspicion it&#8217;s either gone completely or pushed back 5-10 years by the time I go to retire and without Kiwisaver I wouldn&#8217;t have a cent saved or even thought about retirement yet. Same for my husband!</p>
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		By: Ben Donovan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Donovan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 06:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The government changing the rules all the time its all going too disappear b4 we no it.. Been a cash cow for some fleas too invest and abuse our money and adventully lose it..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government changing the rules all the time its all going too disappear b4 we no it.. Been a cash cow for some fleas too invest and abuse our money and adventully lose it..</p>
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