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		By: John W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141741&quot;&gt;Draco T Bastard&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes farming and particularly dairy does need to be cut back drastically if we look at the damage being done environmentally.
The extraction industries leave a trail of damage that they do not meet the  cost of when it comes to restoration.
The importation of crap to clutter up shrinking landfills is enabled by the dairy industry polluting land, ground water and rivers as well as displacing wetlands, native forest and wilderness.  The fertiliser used on farms alone has a highly significant GHG emission.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141741">Draco T Bastard</a>.</p>
<p>Yes farming and particularly dairy does need to be cut back drastically if we look at the damage being done environmentally.<br />
The extraction industries leave a trail of damage that they do not meet the  cost of when it comes to restoration.<br />
The importation of crap to clutter up shrinking landfills is enabled by the dairy industry polluting land, ground water and rivers as well as displacing wetlands, native forest and wilderness.  The fertiliser used on farms alone has a highly significant GHG emission.</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141740&quot;&gt;Kheala&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed 100%]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141740">Kheala</a>.</p>
<p>Agreed 100%</p>
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		By: Draco T Bastard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draco T Bastard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141736&quot;&gt;John W&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d say that the inflated prices for farms is due to:

1. Lack of land. Really, we&#039;re already at ~54% of total land area used for farming.
2. Land being bought out by rich foreigners for both farming and other uses.
3. Multiple farms being owned by a single NZ farmer

We really are at the point that people who want to become farmers can&#039;t. 

But we&#039;re also at the point where we should be saying that we have too much farm and we need to cut back so as to save our environment so as to save the services that the environment does for us..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141736">John W</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that the inflated prices for farms is due to:</p>
<p>1. Lack of land. Really, we&#8217;re already at ~54% of total land area used for farming.<br />
2. Land being bought out by rich foreigners for both farming and other uses.<br />
3. Multiple farms being owned by a single NZ farmer</p>
<p>We really are at the point that people who want to become farmers can&#8217;t. </p>
<p>But we&#8217;re also at the point where we should be saying that we have too much farm and we need to cut back so as to save our environment so as to save the services that the environment does for us..</p>
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		By: Kheala		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kheala]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141734&quot;&gt;John W&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;China, the USA or any other off shore investor group can only take over NZ if we provide the vehicle for that to happen. Leave the door open and anyone can walk in&lt;/i&gt;

We not only have that door wide open, we have big signs up saying,  
&quot;Help yourselves!&quot; 
&quot;All you can eat!&quot;  
&quot;Free lunch forever!&quot;  
and &quot;Drink us dry!&quot;   

To me, this is treason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141734">John W</a>.</p>
<p><i>China, the USA or any other off shore investor group can only take over NZ if we provide the vehicle for that to happen. Leave the door open and anyone can walk in</i></p>
<p>We not only have that door wide open, we have big signs up saying,<br />
&#8220;Help yourselves!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;All you can eat!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Free lunch forever!&#8221;<br />
and &#8220;Drink us dry!&#8221;   </p>
<p>To me, this is treason.</p>
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		By: Draco T Bastard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draco T Bastard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141729&quot;&gt;David Stone&lt;/a&gt;.

A single world currency would eliminate speculation in the exchange rate but it would then have governments and private actors messing around in the pricing even more.

That&#039;s why I said the same laws and same enforcement with the exchange rates set by trade weighting (The purpose of exchange rates is to balance trade between countries). Then we can be reasonably sure that the price at the gate is the same everywhere in the world for the same product.

After that we&#039;d have distance costs added and so something made in NZ is going to be cheaper in NZ than something made in Japan/China/USA and vice versa.

Jumping straight to a single currency bypasses the necessity of everyone having the same laws. Its a quick fix that won&#039;t fix anything.

And, no, NZ farmers still won&#039;t be able to compete with other countries production.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141729">David Stone</a>.</p>
<p>A single world currency would eliminate speculation in the exchange rate but it would then have governments and private actors messing around in the pricing even more.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I said the same laws and same enforcement with the exchange rates set by trade weighting (The purpose of exchange rates is to balance trade between countries). Then we can be reasonably sure that the price at the gate is the same everywhere in the world for the same product.</p>
<p>After that we&#8217;d have distance costs added and so something made in NZ is going to be cheaper in NZ than something made in Japan/China/USA and vice versa.</p>
<p>Jumping straight to a single currency bypasses the necessity of everyone having the same laws. Its a quick fix that won&#8217;t fix anything.</p>
<p>And, no, NZ farmers still won&#8217;t be able to compete with other countries production.</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141702&quot;&gt;Jeff Foley&lt;/a&gt;.

Refreshing Jeff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141702">Jeff Foley</a>.</p>
<p>Refreshing Jeff.</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141698&quot;&gt;Greywarbler&lt;/a&gt;.

The Ughur problem as promoted by US based propaganda is very different on the ground.
When reading about the Ughurs check the sources very thoroughly.

We also had WMD in Iraq from allied sources.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141698">Greywarbler</a>.</p>
<p>The Ughur problem as promoted by US based propaganda is very different on the ground.<br />
When reading about the Ughurs check the sources very thoroughly.</p>
<p>We also had WMD in Iraq from allied sources.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141727&quot;&gt;Draco T Bastard&lt;/a&gt;.

Inflated land prices fostered by banksters make farming beyond many young hopefuls.
Land should not be privately owned and so not the base for speculative fiscal ruination of agriculture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141727">Draco T Bastard</a>.</p>
<p>Inflated land prices fostered by banksters make farming beyond many young hopefuls.<br />
Land should not be privately owned and so not the base for speculative fiscal ruination of agriculture.</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141718&quot;&gt;David Stone&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed DJS and Draco.
The imagination of Kiwis has been flattened by the 1984 assault on our capability and communities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141718">David Stone</a>.</p>
<p>Agreed DJS and Draco.<br />
The imagination of Kiwis has been flattened by the 1984 assault on our capability and communities.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141725&quot;&gt;cleangreen&lt;/a&gt;.

And a UN summit on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Venezuela and the 800+ bases the US has around the world along with the  missiles pointed at and surrounding China and Russia. also forced reduction of the many thousands of nuclear warheads held openly by several nations and covertly by Israel.

NZ should stop land sales to other than resident citizens and shift overseas owned land in NZ to resident citizens over a surrender period of say 10 years.
China, the USA or any other off shore investor group   can only take over NZ if we provide the vehicle for that to happen.   Leave the door open and anyone can walk in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/lange-rolls-in-his-grave-china-threatens-nz-and-jacindas-softly-softly-highlights-how-weak-nz-really-is-in-this-abusive-relationship/#comment-141725">cleangreen</a>.</p>
<p>And a UN summit on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Venezuela and the 800+ bases the US has around the world along with the  missiles pointed at and surrounding China and Russia. also forced reduction of the many thousands of nuclear warheads held openly by several nations and covertly by Israel.</p>
<p>NZ should stop land sales to other than resident citizens and shift overseas owned land in NZ to resident citizens over a surrender period of say 10 years.<br />
China, the USA or any other off shore investor group   can only take over NZ if we provide the vehicle for that to happen.   Leave the door open and anyone can walk in.</p>
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