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		By: Joe Trinder		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3088</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This post worked -Nanaia Mahuta put her hat in the ring well done Efeso.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post worked -Nanaia Mahuta put her hat in the ring well done Efeso.</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3087</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I agree that the leadership team should be more diverse (the time must have come for a Maori or Pasifika deputy surely???), I think the big danger is to fall in to the assumption that Labour&#039;s leadership should just represent the base. It wasn&#039;t the South Auckland booths that won the 2005 vote for Labour, it was every one of the 41% of New Zealanders who came out and voted for a Labour-led government. 

Labour (and the left for that matter) can&#039;t fall in to the same trap as the GOP in the US and think that simply trying to turn out the base vote is sufficient. Labour got 20,000 votes in Mangere in 2005 and 18,000 in 2014. The base is staying reasonably strong.

The party needs to figure out how to get back voters like those in Tamaki (party vote practically halved between 2005 and 2014), Napier (14,500 to 9,500) and Invercargill (14,300 to 8,500). These voters aren&#039;t particularly difficult to get - most of them will have voted Labour at least once in the past 12 years - Labour just needs a leader who can make them feel welcome back inside the party tent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that the leadership team should be more diverse (the time must have come for a Maori or Pasifika deputy surely???), I think the big danger is to fall in to the assumption that Labour&#8217;s leadership should just represent the base. It wasn&#8217;t the South Auckland booths that won the 2005 vote for Labour, it was every one of the 41% of New Zealanders who came out and voted for a Labour-led government. </p>
<p>Labour (and the left for that matter) can&#8217;t fall in to the same trap as the GOP in the US and think that simply trying to turn out the base vote is sufficient. Labour got 20,000 votes in Mangere in 2005 and 18,000 in 2014. The base is staying reasonably strong.</p>
<p>The party needs to figure out how to get back voters like those in Tamaki (party vote practically halved between 2005 and 2014), Napier (14,500 to 9,500) and Invercargill (14,300 to 8,500). These voters aren&#8217;t particularly difficult to get &#8211; most of them will have voted Labour at least once in the past 12 years &#8211; Labour just needs a leader who can make them feel welcome back inside the party tent.</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3082&quot;&gt;Lee&lt;/a&gt;.

Lee, offensive and unintelligent. Can&#039;t be arsed saying anything more about your racist diatribe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3082">Lee</a>.</p>
<p>Lee, offensive and unintelligent. Can&#8217;t be arsed saying anything more about your racist diatribe.</p>
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		By: Plan_B		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3085</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3082&quot;&gt;Lee&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow....... you truly are a despicable excuse for a human being I wont even dignify you with using the &quot;R&quot; word.

You are the problem with this great country.

If we cant stand united we fall divided...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3082">Lee</a>.</p>
<p>Wow&#8230;&#8230;. you truly are a despicable excuse for a human being I wont even dignify you with using the &#8220;R&#8221; word.</p>
<p>You are the problem with this great country.</p>
<p>If we cant stand united we fall divided&#8230;</p>
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		By: adam		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3084</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Efeso, working folk stood by the liberal party as well, whilst that party put up, middle class elitist prats one after another in it&#039;s dying days. It took till the depression for working folk to realise the liberal party was no longer working in their interest. 

I think working people are making the same mistake again. Pasifika and Maori both want the best to happen from labour. They believe the party that has helped them in the past, will do so again. David Lange and his work with the Pacific panthers was legendary.  But, the economic and social nightmare that these same working people now face, came from the releasing of untethered capitalism on working people by labour. 

I dislike labour, I&#039;ll be honest - a party which thinks liberalism is OK, is the rightwing enemy in my book. Yes I&#039;m a socialist. But, Efeso you point out one thing, one good thing and you may have even missed it yourself. The best people in labour are not the crackers who are professional politicians - but those who are there because they believe they can make a difference  - shame there is so few of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Efeso, working folk stood by the liberal party as well, whilst that party put up, middle class elitist prats one after another in it&#8217;s dying days. It took till the depression for working folk to realise the liberal party was no longer working in their interest. </p>
<p>I think working people are making the same mistake again. Pasifika and Maori both want the best to happen from labour. They believe the party that has helped them in the past, will do so again. David Lange and his work with the Pacific panthers was legendary.  But, the economic and social nightmare that these same working people now face, came from the releasing of untethered capitalism on working people by labour. </p>
<p>I dislike labour, I&#8217;ll be honest &#8211; a party which thinks liberalism is OK, is the rightwing enemy in my book. Yes I&#8217;m a socialist. But, Efeso you point out one thing, one good thing and you may have even missed it yourself. The best people in labour are not the crackers who are professional politicians &#8211; but those who are there because they believe they can make a difference  &#8211; shame there is so few of them.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3083</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 03:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3078&quot;&gt;Brutus Iscariot&lt;/a&gt;.

&#039;&#039;Any strategy that is based on appeal to a &#060;10% minority is destined not to be productive.&#039;&#039;
My take on the article was that it was not about attracting the Pasifika vote so much as rewarding that group for being faithful Labour voters.  i.e. the leadership is not a job of serving others so much as a reward which rightfully belongs to someone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3078">Brutus Iscariot</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221;Any strategy that is based on appeal to a &lt;10% minority is destined not to be productive.&#039;&#039;<br />
My take on the article was that it was not about attracting the Pasifika vote so much as rewarding that group for being faithful Labour voters.  i.e. the leadership is not a job of serving others so much as a reward which rightfully belongs to someone.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3082</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 02:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bear in mind that since we&#039;re all neck deep in the &quot;great equaliser&quot; that is multiculturalism, you don&#039;t have to have paler than brown skin to be pretty damn &quot;White&quot;. However, I don&#039;t recommend anyone tries to go on a hunt for the least white white person in Labour, or the most brown non-whitey, or the least gay gay, the most masculine woman or anything else. It&#039;d be a useless waste of time. I don&#039;t even care who is or will become the leader of what is now the most irrelevant political party in NZ and which is about to be fractured three ways instead of four. It&#039;s just amusing to hear the same old whimblin&#039;s from whites when anything brown comes along and I love that picture that accompanies the article. Can the whiney whities go back to The Standard, please?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear in mind that since we&#8217;re all neck deep in the &#8220;great equaliser&#8221; that is multiculturalism, you don&#8217;t have to have paler than brown skin to be pretty damn &#8220;White&#8221;. However, I don&#8217;t recommend anyone tries to go on a hunt for the least white white person in Labour, or the most brown non-whitey, or the least gay gay, the most masculine woman or anything else. It&#8217;d be a useless waste of time. I don&#8217;t even care who is or will become the leader of what is now the most irrelevant political party in NZ and which is about to be fractured three ways instead of four. It&#8217;s just amusing to hear the same old whimblin&#8217;s from whites when anything brown comes along and I love that picture that accompanies the article. Can the whiney whities go back to The Standard, please?</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3081</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 01:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3079&quot;&gt;Shrubbery&lt;/a&gt;.

&#039;&#039;Hardly an environment of diversity, especially in National&#039;&#039;
by the logic of this article Labour should have more Pacific Islanders at the top because Pacific Islanders are faithful Labour voters.  If this is the case then by what logic should National have more Pacific Islanders at the top?  
( not that I agree with the logic of the article btw )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3079">Shrubbery</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221;Hardly an environment of diversity, especially in National&#8221;<br />
by the logic of this article Labour should have more Pacific Islanders at the top because Pacific Islanders are faithful Labour voters.  If this is the case then by what logic should National have more Pacific Islanders at the top?<br />
( not that I agree with the logic of the article btw )</p>
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		By: Plan_B		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 01:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3079&quot;&gt;Shrubbery&lt;/a&gt;.

Say again? what diversity does the Maori party have?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3079">Shrubbery</a>.</p>
<p>Say again? what diversity does the Maori party have?</p>
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		By: Shrubbery		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shrubbery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 01:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3077&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Look at the leadership, and not just the leader, of the Labour and National parties. Including party presidents/boards. Tonnes of white men, the occasional white woman thrown in too. The most senior gay person in the National party desperately tries not to be gay and consistently votes against gay rights. Polynesian and Maori people at the top are sparse in number. Asian MPs or senior party leadership figures even more so.
Hardly an environment of diversity, especially in National

Unsurprisingly, the Green, Mana, NZ First and Maori parties have more diversity in their numbers, which speaks to their genesis and their ethos.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/labour-leadership-and-white-blokes/#comment-3077">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Look at the leadership, and not just the leader, of the Labour and National parties. Including party presidents/boards. Tonnes of white men, the occasional white woman thrown in too. The most senior gay person in the National party desperately tries not to be gay and consistently votes against gay rights. Polynesian and Maori people at the top are sparse in number. Asian MPs or senior party leadership figures even more so.<br />
Hardly an environment of diversity, especially in National</p>
<p>Unsurprisingly, the Green, Mana, NZ First and Maori parties have more diversity in their numbers, which speaks to their genesis and their ethos.</p>
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