This may soon become one of the least popular governments in NZ history, I fear.

You’ve got it, I think.

Get the faery dust out of your eyes mate. On the day of the signing of the TPP, in Auckland, we held the third of the four largest protests in modern nz history. The entire central city was locked down for hours. You couldn’t get a scooter into the CBD, even the expressways were shut down. This Labour government knows exactly how we feel about the TPP, but they don’t care.

The people they are really trying to impress are the global elites. People like Tony Blair, JA’s mentor, and others of his ilk, the creators of Neo-Labour.

They don’t work for us. Not now, not “when they see the light”, not ever. They work for the Ruling Class. They’ve betrayed their base many many times, because they know they can get away with it. And they will keep doing so as long as they can rely on us to keep swallowing the hook.

This time is different though. They barely squeezed in by a miracle. When they betray us this time, they’ll never get in again. Maybe it wont matter, because the tpp effectively hands Nz sovereignty over to the multinationals, but there is still a chance. So long as we do not deceive ourselves about who these people really are, and who they really care about. And it definitely isn’t us.

This kind of fatalism is just grumpy idealism. Neither are realistic. Yes, Labour still have a long way to go to shed their corporatist rump and get back to being a *labour* party (Blackball principles etc). But they are not in government on their own. Both NZ First and the Greens are far to the left of the Labour economically, and will help to reduce any tendancy to meet the NatACTs in the “centre” (the news media version of “centre”, which sits neatly between Labour’s centre-right and the NatACTs far-right). As Darien Fenton says, if we want more progress from this government, we the people need to educate, agitate, and organise, and herd them in the direction we want them to go.

Louis this is not true;
“In 2 weeks no less they managed to make changes despite the odds being against them and despite the former National government saying that the tpp couldn’t be changed”

I am not against labour, and I am a Labour voter to but we need to brig the facts out honestly first about if any changes the ISDS were made at all which over at the Standard shows Labour did not change the ISDS a all.

Secindly as I drive to town today I heard Wayne Mapp discussing the issue if any changes were made from the origional text of ISDS that national signed last year and he said strongly No chanes have been made, so who is correct here now, as I hate national I wouild dearly love jacinda to be right, but since we have no copy of the text of any ammendments from the origionnal TPP signed by Nats in 2016 we dont know who is right or wrong.

Wayne said it was not changed from the origional text national signed last year.

Here are the facts;

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/nz-first-support-for-tpp-not-guaranteed.html

13 November 2017
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NZ First support for TPP not guaranteed
• 1 hour ago
Anna Bracewell-Worrall

NZ First leader Winston Peters and Labour leader Jacinda Ardern. Credits: Newshub.
Labour may have to pass the CPTPP into law with the support of National and ACT – and without its Government support partners.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says New Zealand First won’t make a decision on whether it backs the CPTPP (the rebranded Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement) through Parliament, until it’s seen the final deal.
Labour already knows it doesn’t have backing from the Greens.
Earlier on Monday, the Greens reiterated its decision to vote against the deal, while investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms remained an option.
Without support from either Government partner, the CPTPP can still easily pass through into law. National says it does – and will – support the agreement.
Speaking from the Philippines, Ms Ardern said, despite New Zealand First having Cabinet responsibility, it also had the ability to agree to disagree.
“We won’t have a conversation about where party support will fall, until we have a final agreement,” she said. “I absolutely understand parties in some cases will wait until the final deal’s on the table.”
From time to time, Labour, New Zealand First and the Greens will take differing positions, she said.
Ms Ardern has had ongoing conversations about the deal with NZ First leader Winston Peters.
The TPP agreement initially included the United States, but President Donald Trump withdrew from the agreement, forcing the remaining countries to form a TPP11 agreement.
Newshub.

MICHELLE,

Are you aware of the time frame of the TPP 11 (or whatever it is called?

it has been said that the lock in time is upwards to 35yrs!

Are you aware it is a long term manatory time frame this TPP 11 is for here?

Ageed RB bang on as their promises must be kept every one.

1000 days is not long to carryout the task of the first ‘batch of changes’

We in HB along with HBRC our partner were given on November 17th 2013 just three months to produce our bussiness case to take over the mothballed Napier/Gisborne rail line contract with Kiwirail.

Little did we know this time period is a non functional period over xmas/new year.

So the three months beginning late November to February 12th most bussiness’s and government operations had not returned to operation so we missed the deadline because of no contact with these bussiness partners and agencies, and lost the contract.

labour are walking into the same trap now as they cannot carry out their 100day changes over this xmas/new year period as we found out that time period is deadwoood time where nthing goes on so beware labour.

My suggestion to Jacinda is to release alll the origional that national signed and the changed model jacind says labour has helped to change in our favour.

let is decide what if the deal is better, as that may build some shattered faith that exsists now.

jacinda promised many times to be transparent so “lets do this”