Comments on: Here’s Māori using co-governance to save us from Chinese water bottling

By: saveNZ

saveNZ — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 20:12:04 +0000

Maori should not be the only ones to launch appeals – relying on Maori to somehow save NZ assets is a failing strategy.

Dome Valley environment court shows how dangerous this strategy is – when a few members can somehow change their mind with a 2 million dollar housing gift and jobs if they agree with NZ wastemanagement. If iwi get the polluted land back when NZ waste management are finished – what happens if it requires significant money to remediate it? Already have had Auckland Council taxpayers pay for Mobils remediation at the tank farm in Wynyard Quarter.

Assets should be related to the communities around them and laws should be to protect the assets from damage aka in the case of water and land, pollution.

No-one should own water and therefore no-one should have the right to export it. In addition water bottling is highly polluting and should be minimised as a worst case scenario in natural disasters not being sold with meals at McDonalds and becoming a number one polluter of our landfill and seas due to government laziness at regulation.

By: That_guy

That_guy — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 12:22:51 +0000

Specifics please. Genuine question, not trying to smash you down, I really am interested in specifics.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 08:11:56 +0000

Really Stephen!
Let’s not forget that that the draft version of the Treaty was in English, and missionaries translated it as best they could into Māori, inventing words as they went along because of the limitations of the language.
Firstly there is no chance the British Empire would agree to any form of co-governance with such a minor and primitive people.
Secondly the letters we have that the various chiefs sent to each other confirms exactly what they were signing and the records of the 1860 Kohimarama Conference confirmed both their understanding AND how pleased they were with the results: Rule of Law instead of utu, an end to slavery and no more musket wars.
You’ve been terribly mislead by faux academics and their endless reinterpretations to suit their radical agendas.

By: Maxine

Maxine — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:52:41 +0000

Isn’t the problem that there are business rules which enable the privatisation of water – so if it’s profitable to bottle our water and sell it offshore, it doesn’t matter whose doing it – someone’s going to do it because we have systems and rules that enable that to happen. Basic capitalist commodification of everything. That is largely unchallenged.
Sure, Maori co-governance can function as some kind of brake against outright privatisation through treaty claims.

By: Wheel

Wheel — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:36:59 +0000

I don’t care what the rationale is. As your mob Bob insist on degrading our water sources we should not be letting any company local or otherwise take massive amounts at next to nothing out of the country

By: Greywarbler

Greywarbler — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 03:33:11 +0000

In reply to Cottleblock Mike. What is it then? Spell it out and not just consign it to SEP hoping it will go away.

By: Greywarbler

Greywarbler — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 03:30:41 +0000

@Ada I think you need to think outside the plastic bottle. There are issues here to consider about water flowing into the sea. It’s part of the natural environment, and there will be an ecology that will have developed flora and fauna which grow in semi-saline water at or near the river mouth.

By: Geoff Lye

Geoff Lye — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 03:10:33 +0000

https://nwo.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/QandA.pdf

By: Keepcalmcarryon

Keepcalmcarryon — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 02:53:19 +0000

I’m real keen to hear about this mystical relationship with water Stephen, specifically Ngai Tahu and their consent application to massively irrigate a fragile area of Canterbury after first converting from forestry to Dairy- mostly refused under ECAN.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/108049548/ngai-tahu-farming-replaces-forestry-with-14000-cows-at-eyrewell
“ Ngāi Tahu Farming will milk 14,000 dairy cows just north of Christchurch, once the remainder of Eyrewell Forest is felled.

However, the South Island iwi-owned business has abandoned plans to convert some of Balmoral Forest in North Canterbury to dairy, after failing to get the required nutrient and water consents”

Yes yes Maori governance will save us from dirty dairying.
Lol.
It’s basic Human nature , no race is superior in intent or deed.

By: National are Squeaky Clean

National are Squeaky Clean — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 02:51:50 +0000

What science would that be to indicate that God existed?
The fairytale that Jesus walked on water or that you would go to this mythical Heaven if you repent?
Yet you ridicule Maori beliefs, hypocrite.