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		By: Labour_Voter		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sure Greens will get in. But will Labour need them to form a government? My answer is NO as Labour will be able to govern on its own.]]></description>
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		By: Sam		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/green-party-list-but-can-they-get-over-5-on-election-day/#comment-131065&quot;&gt;Sam&lt;/a&gt;.

@saveNZ

My belief is kind of radical and it is my belief that we can not get to where we need to go with the tools that got us in this mess.

In other words twenty first century technology is an order of magnitude less than than the challenges imposed by climate change in the twenty first century.

In particular one of the biggest problems we face is the political economy. We have effectively starved our scientific and business enterprizes for resources creating a dire and cut throat compitition which has completely deranged kiwi culture and traditions. 

So one thing I&#039;d say in response is that I have broken and have broken for many years with just about every left wing expectation. That&#039;s not to say that left wing policy or style of presentation isn&#039;t worth the paper it&#039;s written on, I&#039;v had every intention of revealing the man traps using standard working class terminology but it goes far deeper than this.

My belief is that what we&#039;ve created is a career structure, and employment structure and access structure that can not possibly complete the job. Now why is that???

Well what if an attempt to address the fundamental defects inherent in this neoliberal structure results in career suicide?

So if you think of this as a solution then then you would realize that addressing a pandemic as weak as the Wuhan virus would synchronise failure across many seemingly powerfully independent institutions. And I believe that&#039;s exactly what&#039;s been going on all through this governments year of delivery. 

In this case the neoliberal theory has really been fixated in the minds of the baby boomer generation that has allowed them an infinite amount of elaborations and formulation of economics, culture and geometric context, and these supposed economic experts spent there time applying for mortgages and borrowing growth from future generation, but in fact most of this borrowing had nothing to do with future proofing New Zealand what so ever.

Now believing in a unified theory of economics is an embarrassing thing because it&#039;s the same as believing in perpetual motion machines but I thought I saw some statistical anomalies that could have solved what bedevilled Jacinda&#039;s aspiration to end child poverty. How ever I thought I&#039;d fess up because ending child poverty and defeating climate change is exactly what I&#039;m on about 100%, every day.

We&#039;ve only seen a unified parliament during WW2 and I believe we can see a sustained, unified parliament during peace time. Because a unifying theory of economics would have different characteristics than every other type of politics before it then we don&#039;t know what we would normally call an effective set of policies. 

Now if you follow suicide statistics then I&#039;m sure you know that from 2008 to now youth suicides have been spiking to all time highs through a period that John Key was very proud of calling it the greatest terms of trade in New Zealand&#039;s history, and would lead to the widest openings in inequality in New Zealand&#039;s history. That is a very strange positive feedback loop, in fact it&#039;s an attempt to answer what is an economy for?

Youth suicide is a problem of a unified theory of economics that bedevils us but never bedevilled the previous generations to this extent, now why is that?

Well maybe we have confused an economy with what can be sold to other countries and it is absolutely not that. Liquidity or how many transactions that can be completed in one year is not the same as industrial policy and I have analogised this by simply saying that &quot;when you export a nations wealth instead of feeding your own people then of course there will be spikes in suicide rates.&quot;

So knowing all the policies that permeates both New Zealand politics and business is an entirely different thing from becoming a successful politician/entrepreneur. But in the case of a unified theory of economics it&#039;s an answer to the question why do some people have to much and others don&#039;t have enough, and I don&#039;t think this is what a unified theory of economics is meant to be either, and why is that?

Well I believe that most of us are unable to formulate airtight arguments, politically speaking, which coxes out of political voids, a something, a bridge, a house, a what ever. How ever there is one question that might be able to solve a unified theory of economics and that is how does the government find $12 billion dollars over night?

To blatantly peruse purely ideological responses to a particularly nasty virus, responses that will destroy whole industries, and the kiwi way of life, as did rogernomics before it in the great neoliberal purge - but this is what businessmen like Mathew Hooton are attempting to conjure up.

Hooton proposed a set of policy that would have destroyed New Zealand&#039;s magazine industry, a policy prescription that Greg Presland (Micky savage) indorsed and Chris Trotter rebelled against in there recent attack blogs. 

Hooton&#039;s proposal was to suspend national capital flows into certain areas of the economy so that it could be diverted to the things that would get the economic luxuries of his own political expediencies, in the hopes that ideological vampires like him, can holt this governments planed wage increases. 

Even if it&#039;s not true, and Mathew Hooton did a big song and dance about kiwi values and he&#039;s just a nice guy, in the sense of ruthlessly exploiting a national health crises to secure ones own miserable objectives won&#039;t get us there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/green-party-list-but-can-they-get-over-5-on-election-day/#comment-131065">Sam</a>.</p>
<p>@saveNZ</p>
<p>My belief is kind of radical and it is my belief that we can not get to where we need to go with the tools that got us in this mess.</p>
<p>In other words twenty first century technology is an order of magnitude less than than the challenges imposed by climate change in the twenty first century.</p>
<p>In particular one of the biggest problems we face is the political economy. We have effectively starved our scientific and business enterprizes for resources creating a dire and cut throat compitition which has completely deranged kiwi culture and traditions. </p>
<p>So one thing I&#8217;d say in response is that I have broken and have broken for many years with just about every left wing expectation. That&#8217;s not to say that left wing policy or style of presentation isn&#8217;t worth the paper it&#8217;s written on, I&#8217;v had every intention of revealing the man traps using standard working class terminology but it goes far deeper than this.</p>
<p>My belief is that what we&#8217;ve created is a career structure, and employment structure and access structure that can not possibly complete the job. Now why is that???</p>
<p>Well what if an attempt to address the fundamental defects inherent in this neoliberal structure results in career suicide?</p>
<p>So if you think of this as a solution then then you would realize that addressing a pandemic as weak as the Wuhan virus would synchronise failure across many seemingly powerfully independent institutions. And I believe that&#8217;s exactly what&#8217;s been going on all through this governments year of delivery. </p>
<p>In this case the neoliberal theory has really been fixated in the minds of the baby boomer generation that has allowed them an infinite amount of elaborations and formulation of economics, culture and geometric context, and these supposed economic experts spent there time applying for mortgages and borrowing growth from future generation, but in fact most of this borrowing had nothing to do with future proofing New Zealand what so ever.</p>
<p>Now believing in a unified theory of economics is an embarrassing thing because it&#8217;s the same as believing in perpetual motion machines but I thought I saw some statistical anomalies that could have solved what bedevilled Jacinda&#8217;s aspiration to end child poverty. How ever I thought I&#8217;d fess up because ending child poverty and defeating climate change is exactly what I&#8217;m on about 100%, every day.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve only seen a unified parliament during WW2 and I believe we can see a sustained, unified parliament during peace time. Because a unifying theory of economics would have different characteristics than every other type of politics before it then we don&#8217;t know what we would normally call an effective set of policies. </p>
<p>Now if you follow suicide statistics then I&#8217;m sure you know that from 2008 to now youth suicides have been spiking to all time highs through a period that John Key was very proud of calling it the greatest terms of trade in New Zealand&#8217;s history, and would lead to the widest openings in inequality in New Zealand&#8217;s history. That is a very strange positive feedback loop, in fact it&#8217;s an attempt to answer what is an economy for?</p>
<p>Youth suicide is a problem of a unified theory of economics that bedevils us but never bedevilled the previous generations to this extent, now why is that?</p>
<p>Well maybe we have confused an economy with what can be sold to other countries and it is absolutely not that. Liquidity or how many transactions that can be completed in one year is not the same as industrial policy and I have analogised this by simply saying that &#8220;when you export a nations wealth instead of feeding your own people then of course there will be spikes in suicide rates.&#8221;</p>
<p>So knowing all the policies that permeates both New Zealand politics and business is an entirely different thing from becoming a successful politician/entrepreneur. But in the case of a unified theory of economics it&#8217;s an answer to the question why do some people have to much and others don&#8217;t have enough, and I don&#8217;t think this is what a unified theory of economics is meant to be either, and why is that?</p>
<p>Well I believe that most of us are unable to formulate airtight arguments, politically speaking, which coxes out of political voids, a something, a bridge, a house, a what ever. How ever there is one question that might be able to solve a unified theory of economics and that is how does the government find $12 billion dollars over night?</p>
<p>To blatantly peruse purely ideological responses to a particularly nasty virus, responses that will destroy whole industries, and the kiwi way of life, as did rogernomics before it in the great neoliberal purge &#8211; but this is what businessmen like Mathew Hooton are attempting to conjure up.</p>
<p>Hooton proposed a set of policy that would have destroyed New Zealand&#8217;s magazine industry, a policy prescription that Greg Presland (Micky savage) indorsed and Chris Trotter rebelled against in there recent attack blogs. </p>
<p>Hooton&#8217;s proposal was to suspend national capital flows into certain areas of the economy so that it could be diverted to the things that would get the economic luxuries of his own political expediencies, in the hopes that ideological vampires like him, can holt this governments planed wage increases. </p>
<p>Even if it&#8217;s not true, and Mathew Hooton did a big song and dance about kiwi values and he&#8217;s just a nice guy, in the sense of ruthlessly exploiting a national health crises to secure ones own miserable objectives won&#8217;t get us there.</p>
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		By: saveNZ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2020 04:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/green-party-list-but-can-they-get-over-5-on-election-day/#comment-131065&quot;&gt;Sam&lt;/a&gt;.

@Sam, nearly 1 billion just went to Air NZ which apparently has over 1 billion in cash reserves while laying off their staff, god knows how many billions going to go to Fletcher for the roads we don&#039;t need, billions for the retail and hospitality giants to pay their wages for them like Harvey Norman...

40 billion don&#039;t last long at this rate, especially when NZ taxes might be a lot lower than expected... government are just propping up the same big business sunset industries for the most part... not concentrating on new high paid jobs for people in future industries that are better paid and less dysfunctional...]]></description>
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<p>@Sam, nearly 1 billion just went to Air NZ which apparently has over 1 billion in cash reserves while laying off their staff, god knows how many billions going to go to Fletcher for the roads we don&#8217;t need, billions for the retail and hospitality giants to pay their wages for them like Harvey Norman&#8230;</p>
<p>40 billion don&#8217;t last long at this rate, especially when NZ taxes might be a lot lower than expected&#8230; government are just propping up the same big business sunset industries for the most part&#8230; not concentrating on new high paid jobs for people in future industries that are better paid and less dysfunctional&#8230;</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2020 23:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/green-party-list-but-can-they-get-over-5-on-election-day/#comment-131062&quot;&gt;saveNZ&lt;/a&gt;.

We&#039;ve got $40 billion dollars in reserves and you to are talking like all is lost.]]></description>
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<p>We&#8217;ve got $40 billion dollars in reserves and you to are talking like all is lost.</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2020 23:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/green-party-list-but-can-they-get-over-5-on-election-day/#comment-131063&quot;&gt;Kheala&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, agreed. And fuck!]]></description>
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<p>Yes, agreed. And fuck!</p>
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		By: Kheala		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kheala]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/green-party-list-but-can-they-get-over-5-on-election-day/#comment-131060&quot;&gt;Sam&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;We were very lucky to stick together a 2 seat majority it could very well have gone the other way&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, that&#039;s a concern.  Given the shite state they&#039;re in (the Greens), I don&#039;t have an answer.

I&#039;m very angry at a lot of things they&#039;ve done, and that they&#039;ve neglected to do.  My first impulse was to put those things out there, write about them here, - they haven&#039;t even been mentioned.    But then I worry about the future, under another horrific right wing, BIG business, O/S corporate, enviro-trashing, nation-selling, dirty-politicking &quot;government&quot;,  and start to feel despair.

How it will all pan out in the election, when we&#039;re pretty much dependent on having some sort of Coalition if the &#039;Left&#039; is to survive politically at all,   I just don&#039;t know.]]></description>
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<p><i>We were very lucky to stick together a 2 seat majority it could very well have gone the other way</i></p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s a concern.  Given the shite state they&#8217;re in (the Greens), I don&#8217;t have an answer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very angry at a lot of things they&#8217;ve done, and that they&#8217;ve neglected to do.  My first impulse was to put those things out there, write about them here, &#8211; they haven&#8217;t even been mentioned.    But then I worry about the future, under another horrific right wing, BIG business, O/S corporate, enviro-trashing, nation-selling, dirty-politicking &#8220;government&#8221;,  and start to feel despair.</p>
<p>How it will all pan out in the election, when we&#8217;re pretty much dependent on having some sort of Coalition if the &#8216;Left&#8217; is to survive politically at all,   I just don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		By: saveNZ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/green-party-list-but-can-they-get-over-5-on-election-day/#comment-131061&quot;&gt;Trevor Sennitt&lt;/a&gt;.

Growth and (animal abuse, poor food regulation and poor hygiene) is what created Covid-19 and neoliberalism&#039;s love of growth, spread it around the world.]]></description>
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<p>Growth and (animal abuse, poor food regulation and poor hygiene) is what created Covid-19 and neoliberalism&#8217;s love of growth, spread it around the world.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trevor Sennitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/green-party-list-but-can-they-get-over-5-on-election-day/#comment-131059&quot;&gt;Tiger Mountain&lt;/a&gt;.

Post virus I hope people have better things to think about than smoking pot . The economy is going to be in a terrible state and the country will need people with clear heads and the ability to work hard .  This is another reason to not have Greens at the top table as they  only seem to put up obstacles to growth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/green-party-list-but-can-they-get-over-5-on-election-day/#comment-131059">Tiger Mountain</a>.</p>
<p>Post virus I hope people have better things to think about than smoking pot . The economy is going to be in a terrible state and the country will need people with clear heads and the ability to work hard .  This is another reason to not have Greens at the top table as they  only seem to put up obstacles to growth.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/green-party-list-but-can-they-get-over-5-on-election-day/#comment-131059&quot;&gt;Tiger Mountain&lt;/a&gt;.

What&#039;s a concern troll?

The greens, so that&#039;s Golriz, Marama, Julian Genter and the one other are dividing there votes up with woke speak and everyone&#039;s just shaking there head wondering what the they&#039;re on about. Everyone can see the risks, no one is going to hold there hands and say well you did the right things up till now because they didn&#039;t, and don&#039;t think this is all about the greens because David Clark and a whole bunch of Labour/NZFirst MPs are just as teetz, and I do say so myself. 

We were very lucky to stick together a 2 seat majority it could very well have gone the other way if Bill English wasn&#039;t so terrible. It&#039;s like the more we say we don&#039;t like what the greens are doing, the more it makes them do dumb things.]]></description>
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<p>What&#8217;s a concern troll?</p>
<p>The greens, so that&#8217;s Golriz, Marama, Julian Genter and the one other are dividing there votes up with woke speak and everyone&#8217;s just shaking there head wondering what the they&#8217;re on about. Everyone can see the risks, no one is going to hold there hands and say well you did the right things up till now because they didn&#8217;t, and don&#8217;t think this is all about the greens because David Clark and a whole bunch of Labour/NZFirst MPs are just as teetz, and I do say so myself. </p>
<p>We were very lucky to stick together a 2 seat majority it could very well have gone the other way if Bill English wasn&#8217;t so terrible. It&#8217;s like the more we say we don&#8217;t like what the greens are doing, the more it makes them do dumb things.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2020 04:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Labour will need “friends” as will National to be the Govt. in 2021. All the tantrums, and/or warranted criticism, of the Greens will not change that little MMP fact. 

So castigate away people, but some of you are behaving more like concern trolls than adding to the discussion. There is a Cannabis Referendum to be won, and Chloe is making some of the most mature contributions. Nashnull must be denied at all costs, so what are some suggestions to assist that happening? 

People should consider practically helping one Party or another, or one of the pro Cannabis groups like “Make it legal”, do something, not just whinge. I am hosting a Labour (I am not a Labour supporter as such, but partner is) and a “Make it legal” hoarding on my property which is a key site on a SH in a Tory electorate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour will need “friends” as will National to be the Govt. in 2021. All the tantrums, and/or warranted criticism, of the Greens will not change that little MMP fact. </p>
<p>So castigate away people, but some of you are behaving more like concern trolls than adding to the discussion. There is a Cannabis Referendum to be won, and Chloe is making some of the most mature contributions. Nashnull must be denied at all costs, so what are some suggestions to assist that happening? </p>
<p>People should consider practically helping one Party or another, or one of the pro Cannabis groups like “Make it legal”, do something, not just whinge. I am hosting a Labour (I am not a Labour supporter as such, but partner is) and a “Make it legal” hoarding on my property which is a key site on a SH in a Tory electorate.</p>
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