Its an example of providing verifiable evidence, to the claims being made. It could be Billy Bunter from Timbukwho, if you can back up what is being said, then you are worth noting.

I typically use MSM links only because its what I find that this site and the people here, find more acceptable compared to using lesser known sites. In short, this has more to do with the external than the internal (myself). Nonetheless, an area where it is very useful to use MSM links is after a given issue becomes “politicized” – and all MSM outlets, ditto politicians, start singing to the new, standard narrative thereafter. In this instance, finding evidence of a different MSM tune, before this new politicized time, can be very useful. And again, bias in the media is not the problem, the ability to back up, to provide verifiable evidence to the claims being made, this is the key issue here.

Otherwise, I can see that you are a believer. Lucky for you, you are in the majority, hence the war-torn, economically unequal world we currently have. Myself, I want an end to all war and at the very least, a halt to widening economic inequality. But I won’t find what I want within MSM news media nor out of the mouths of the world’s leading political parties, just another reason why I hold the view of them that I do.

I’m not sure what a piece by Brian Berletić (one of many names he goes by) is an example of.

“They understand that we can be bad too, believe it or not and not only Putin/Russia, China, or Israel.”

So I can understand this completely and agree with it. But I can also see different levels of it. You can for argument sake complain about our leaders or politicians, but I’ll still rate their integrity above that of someone that claims a 88.5% victory over his “opponents”. And I use the term “opponent” with a certain amount of eye rolling.

“As for using MSM links, I like to play it safe, by using recognized MSM sites before I turn to lesser known or complete unknown media outlets. ”

I’m pleased that you don’t completely discount the “MSM” as so many seem to now. There are a lot of journalists with integrity and while I’d say that most MSM sites exhibit their own bias, you can soon recognise that. For example Al Jazeera’s reporting on what is happening in Gaza will have a different slant to what they report on say in Ukraine.

I always find it amusing listening to people in this country screaming that our own media is “left wing” or “right wing” while not acknowledging perhaps that it is they are are seeing things through their own particular lens.

An example – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3bIg0aGNHU&ab_channel=TheNewAtlas

The illusion is that our politicians and media are on our side. Or simply put, the illusion is that both entities represent the truth, far more often than not. This… is the illusion. Putin/Russia is an extension of this illusion, they are the default villain of today, blamed, accused of being behind anything that we, the West, deems to be bad in the world today.

On the Palestinian protest line, many people get that we, the West, led by the USA, is somewhat complicit in the actions of Israel. At this point in time, people here see through the illusion. They understand that we can be bad too, believe it or not and not only Putin/Russia, China, or Israel. But, away from this, its back to business as usual, back to believing that our politicians and our mainstream media, are truthful, are just, will do the right thing, we just have to convince enough of us, to implore them to do so. Problem solved, illusion upheld.

As for using MSM links, I like to play it safe, by using recognized MSM sites before I turn to lesser known or complete unknown media outlets. The heavy hand of the Big C is strong in today’s world.

And finally, the truth…the truth is in the verifiable evidence that supports all claims being made. Those that take the time to provide this, are worth noting, those that don’t, we need to be skeptical of, and we progress from here. One more thing, bias is not a problem in my view, again it is all about backing up what is being said.

Not exactly sure what that has to do with Putin and Ukraine or what the illusion that those on the protest line are “seeing through”.

I get that you hate them, but I’m sure I’ve seen you post links to MSM articles here to bolster your arguments at times. What is your solution? People should just go online and keep on searching for articles that tell them “the truth (™)”?

If I wanted to be “informed” in a way that you would accept, tell me how do I start? The MSM is all a bunch of liars, so where is this independent source that is without bias, and that can verify and back up their reporting?

The Israeli cabinet can’t agree because it’s full of Zionist wankers. They could not give a toss about the hostages. They just want to steal as much as they can.